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HST Showdown - (Round 5 - Sharks)
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Kenny doesn’t need cleverness or skill when he has instincts > Unomama’s skill > the verse.
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his not a brute, his aggresive but his not a dumb brute in anyway, this is the same guy that faked his death solely so that he could gather information and eventually succeed.
he doesnt need to be.
the anti feats your giving him are against some of the best in the series. Itachi isnt just smart his stupid smart.
Might Guy isnt jut a martial artist his THE Marital artist. this is the same guy people like kakashi and obito who are on their own level in terms of hand to hand combat shit themselves just because the man decides to pull out a nun chuck
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Kisame is surprisingly observant and analytical in his fights he just isn't a "12 steps ahead of everyone" 200+ IQ fighter like half of the relevant cast.
just because Guy and Jinbei both use martial arts doesn't make them similar at all. Also losing to someone who is arguably as skilled as Kakashi, who's an actual genius, isn't a particularly bad thing.
Not to mention Kisame only lost to Guy once where he had to push himself to the 7th Gate, they left the first time, Guy beat a weaker clone the second time that was only there to stall.
Jinbei is not comparable to Guy. stop that.
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Damn, that’s actually a feat. Dude is so skilled that he can use a weapon that makes you weaker and gets stronger.
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Wouldn’t gran rey cero and cero oscuras onehot? Anyway since her attacks hit the soul one large scale water attack and that’s gg if not grc and gg. Sonido to be safe. Anyway my vote goes to harribel
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the cope is crazy
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Neither GRC or CO is allowed in this fight because of the fact they provide oneshot level amps to Tier's AP.
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imma have to give it to tier since her attacks target the soul, and should automatically duraneg any physical durability buffs as a result
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Eh perhaps my usage of the word brute wasn't the best but that's more so for lack there of a better word.
Okay thats not very impressive to me in the long haul. That's something very easily accompanied. Not to mention "faking your death." could entail a whole bunch of different things. That could range from slowing down ones breath, stopping the heart to more ridiculous shit.
In order to be more "skilled." than Tier and Jinbe he absolutely does need to be.
Your missing the point here. Jinbei and Tier both have a vast amount of skill scaling, unlike Kisame who has a clear line.
And Jinbe is in the same type of vein, he's the greatest master of Fish-man Karate.
And yet Kisame scales to none of that.
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mf yes he does, he dragged Guy to use the 7th gate.
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Cope? I was serious. Nunchucks are the worst weapon you could pick to use. Nunchuck = crippled stick. Guy somehow getting stronger from using them is an actual skill feat though more so in the vein of cutting concepts aka unquantifiable.
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Bro. He forced Guy to use a stat amp because he had, get this, bigger stats.
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Then post scans. Talk is cheap after all.
It also doesnt mean they aren't? You haven't post jack shit to prove Guy is comparable to Jinbe. Im sure he is, issue being is that you act like i have that information available whenever you should be posting scans.
Again, not seeing what makes Kakashi nor Guy a comparable martial artist to Jinbe.
Jinbei can skill stomp the likes of Who's-Who who scales to Rob Lucci, who scales above CP0 agents who scale above CP9 members who've masteres Rokushiki.
Read above.
You haven't proved he isn't. I'm not going to be stopping anything till proven wrong or until I get actual citation.
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of I thought you were still talking about Samehada not Guy and his nunchucks mb
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And definitely not as good as Harribel's
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your missing the point, if your intentionally outsmarting your opponent mid fight so that you can fake your death to instead gather information as oppose to just fighting them, your inherently not a dumb brute.
you need to quantify their skill without appealing to experience
holding his own against Guy is the feat
quantify that.
he scales to people like Asuma who are verbatim stated to be comparable to people like Kakashi and high end jonin and he was holding his own briefly against Guy before he got overpowered.
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Lmao, you good. Samehada definitely ain’t ass. Any weapon that almost always comes back, heals you and absorbs oncoming attacks is pretty good one in most settings.
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Tier should win though
- Superior AOE
- better Amps
- weird esoteric abilities with no immediate counter
- vastly better mobility
- Big Booba Swordfish lady
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In that case I’ll be voting Jinbe. He has the superior amps in Buso and Rage Boost.
Jinbe’s Buso gives a greater AP amp than Wano Zoro, who, with Buso was able to oneshot Killer who was comparable to his base, and his Buso gives him a similar Durability amp to Pre-Hao Coating Zoro, who could defend against an attack that would oneshot his base.
Jinbe’s Rage Boost boosts both his AP and Durability. Prior to being amped, he was getting cut and harmed by Who’s Who, but afterwards, Who’s Who’s fingers broke simply my attacking him. The AP boost is also significant because prior to the amp, Jinbe and Who’s Who were relative, but after, Jinbe was able to break his hands by grabbing them and then take him out with a single hit.
Even outside of his amps, Jinbe is still the most skilled fighter here (debatable between him and Harribel), and he has durability negation with each attack that can travel several tens of meters on air. Since Fishman Karate attacks are doubled under water, the range and strength of his Fishman Karate would be much higher than what I said above, as these all happened above water.
Jinbe has the heat resistance to resist Harribel’s boiling water, and he has good enough water Manipulation with Fishman Karate and Fishman Jiu-Jitsu to manipulate both Harribel and Kisame’s water-based attacks to use it against them.
Jinbe’s Buso gives a greater AP amp than Wano Zoro, who, with Buso was able to oneshot Killer who was comparable to his base, and his Buso gives him a similar Durability amp to Pre-Hao Coating Zoro, who could defend against an attack that would oneshot his base.
Jinbe’s Rage Boost boosts both his AP and Durability. Prior to being amped, he was getting cut and harmed by Who’s Who, but afterwards, Who’s Who’s fingers broke simply my attacking him. The AP boost is also significant because prior to the amp, Jinbe and Who’s Who were relative, but after, Jinbe was able to break his hands by grabbing them and then take him out with a single hit.
Even outside of his amps, Jinbe is still the most skilled fighter here (debatable between him and Harribel), and he has durability negation with each attack that can travel several tens of meters on air. Since Fishman Karate attacks are doubled under water, the range and strength of his Fishman Karate would be much higher than what I said above, as these all happened above water.
Jinbe has the heat resistance to resist Harribel’s boiling water, and he has good enough water Manipulation with Fishman Karate and Fishman Jiu-Jitsu to manipulate both Harribel and Kisame’s water-based attacks to use it against them.
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You're saying this but also haven't provided any actual evidence or scans for Jinbei being relevant to Guy either.
All I did was argue against your claims of Kisame being a meathead.
If you want me to post scans post some for Jinbei first since you made the claim Guy Skill ~ Jinbei skill > Kisame skill first.
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any heat resistance/ durability amps are irrelevant against tier
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How come?
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Again, that can be done in a plethora of ways. You have yet to explain to me what "faking his own death." even entails in this context.
Once again I wasn't using the term "brute." with 100% accuracy and I damn sure never called him dumb Shadow. That's you placing words into my mout because I never once said nor implied he was dumb.
I never said Jinbe nor Tier were more experienced than Kisame, I listed feats for Jinbe so again this is borderline Projection at this point.
Until Guy went IP man on his bitch ass.
I can do that in a second actually so we can get that done.
I really, highly doubt Asuma is an equal to Kakashi in terms of ALL types of skill. That I call absolute bullshit on.
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Soul Manipulation
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Haki.
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The second Halibel cuts either of their souls they get infected with the Hollow reiatsu and since neither Kisame nor Jinbe have any resistances that would equate to resisting what the Hollow reiatsu does (deteriorate your soul), their souls just implode.
her attacks cut the soul
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her attacks directly target the soul, so jinbei wont take physical damage
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one shot amps aren't allowed.
Harribel can match 1000+ year old death gods in combat and Kisame can match combat geniuses like Guy, if anything Jinbei is the least skilled here.
Harribel has her soul shenanigans under water so Jinbei is actually worse off there.
Harribel and Kisame can both neg the water-based attacks too so his being able to send them back means nothing.
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"Haki doesn't have disability negation" - Reio35
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I don't quite have time to provide you all of Jinbe's feats but most of them are available in his respect thread.
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Isn’t Reddit having a moment rn
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This is bullshit and we all here know it.
Jinbe is comparable to geniuses like Zoro and Sanji, with Zoro being trained by Mihawk.
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I go with Harribel based on Shadow reason especially the Big Booba Swordfish lady.
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Nah that was like a week or two ago. It's all back up for the most part.
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To be fair Kachon was talking about heat resistance, not soul resistance.
Her heat wouldn't affect him, the soul manipulation would. Two different things tbh.
