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This is the thread for where it's acceptance is being discussed.Sptflcrw said:Anyway, none of this is accepted, lol
We usually don't do that tho.Peter1129 said:This is a low ball scaling so every other form that doesn't have an accepted multiplier will just be 2x.
8 (End of Battle of Gods/Resurrection of Frieza/Universe 6 Tournament Base Goku) x 40 = 320 (Universe 6 Tournament SS1) x 2 = 640 (Universe 6 Tournament SS2) x 2 = 1,280 (Universe 6 Tournament SS3) x 2 = 2,560 (Universe 6 Tournament SSG) x 40 = 102,400 (Universe 6 Tournament SSB) x 10 = 1,024,000 (Universe 6 Tournament SSBKKx10/Future Trunks Saga SSB/Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSG) x 40 = 40,960,000 (Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSB) x 20 = 819,200,000 (Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSBKKx20/Broly Saga Base) x 40 = 32,768,000,000 (Broly Saga SS1)Kaltias said:No, what he is saying is "Stomp with no stated multiplier gets lowballed at x2".
It's exactly the same case.
I'm not saying that Kaioken or whatever can't be used, but that example in particular is the exact same scenario and you don't see anyone saying "Let's double this every time someone gets stomped in a scaling chain" for any other verse on the wiki
No, I remember them saying that Kaioken was one of the most consistent multipliers when I made a thread for it. I'll try and find it.The real cal howard said:Pretty sure even Kep and Matt have stated that the KK multipliers shouldn't be considered after Freeza, iirc. Though, this one I could be very wrong about that.
Also, this is just an argument to incredulity. Masada and PMMM have characters that are stupidly high into certain tiers, saying this isn't real because it's a real big number isn't valid.The real cal howard said:Also even Seth would laugh at the numbers being produced right now.
Which characters we could apply those numbers too can be discussed as well, the chain could be updated.Giygas3 said:But yes, these numbers are pretty ridiculous, considering I'm still heavily against scaling Goku's Base in Dragon ball Super Broly, to that of SSBkkx20 Goku.
From the different threads arguing it, that seems to be the opposite of that argument.The real cal howard said:On the topic of Goku and his relation to Vegeta, the idea that base Goku is so above Vegeta is so ridiculous and outside of that narrative that it's not just wank, but it's outright ignorance of the source material.
Yes.Giygas3 said:@Dragon I mean... I guess? Need to first established an appropriate amount first.
Can you make a CRT for it so your arguments can be directly made? That way people who don't want to be involved here but still have an opinion on Kaioken itself could speak to you.The real cal howard said:...
No
Why would I stop talking about something that not only I disagree with, but is also calling controversy? Until we make a rule for it, I'll keep on calling a spade a spade.
But Super Saiyan is accepted and it's accepted multiplier is twice as much as KaiokenX20.The real cal howard said:There's no such thing as a consistent 20x multiplier.
Because you brought it up once, and your thread was rejected, and many threads after that, but you keep bringing this up. There are threads I also made and they were rejected, there are things I don't agree with. I don't keep repeating the same things again and again.The real cal howard said:...
No
Why would I stop talking about something that not only I disagree with, but is also calling controversy? Until we make a rule for it, I'll keep on calling a spade a spade.
You should probably make a CRT for that serious of a downgrade. You're asking for both Super Saiyan and Kaioken multipliers to be dropped.The real cal howard said:You know how many people Goku would have zero problem with if the SSJ multiplier was a consistent 40x? That or he'd be dead in a single hit in base from anyone who can keep up with his SSJ form. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Take Goku vs Kale/Caulifla. Someone would've gotten their shit wrecked in a single hit during that fight.
If there's a canon multiplier that's been shown to work that way, that's what we use. That's how it works. If you disagree with DBS multipliers in general, then you should make a thread for it.Sptflcrw said:Why are you trying to apply multipiers to DBS so badly? No matter what multipliers you apply, they will be inconsistant. Why can't we just say Super Saiyan is stronger than Base? Why do we have to get an exact multiplier?