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Nop, it is a direct continuation of the Buu saga.
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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Why didn't goku use SS 3 against vegeta to stop buu? There is no inconsistency in daima that is massively more meaningful then counterdictions on the orginal series.
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Even then, if it was meant to be non-canon, it would have been advertised as such, that's a huge thing that they know mfs care about. They wouldn't be vague about it.
The fact Daima works off the foundation Super set up (12 Uni's, cameoed Super dudes, etc), the intent seems to be obvious.
Sure maybe by the end there will be something so ****** up we'd be forced to go "yep ok that shit can't be canon, that is impossible to ignore". But as it stands, it's just nitpicks, and for all we know, Goku accidentally shoves a medibug down Shin's throat and he fuses with Kibito again, invaliding even the minor retcon nitpicks, we don't know yet, complaining about it now is an active waste of time and conjecture.
The fact Daima works off the foundation Super set up (12 Uni's, cameoed Super dudes, etc), the intent seems to be obvious.
Sure maybe by the end there will be something so ****** up we'd be forced to go "yep ok that shit can't be canon, that is impossible to ignore". But as it stands, it's just nitpicks, and for all we know, Goku accidentally shoves a medibug down Shin's throat and he fuses with Kibito again, invaliding even the minor retcon nitpicks, we don't know yet, complaining about it now is an active waste of time and conjecture.
You know what, proof. You've been yapping and been making hard facts. Do us a solid and post the scan or article or promotional material where they note that.
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They... literally explain that
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That literally just happened with Vegeta getting SSJ3. Also there aren't just 12 universes in Daima, there's many.
What else could it be since it's not a sequel?
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Weak cop out answer that could easily come to be in the future. Was an obvious retcon that didn't apply to the orginal situation- that situation is the exact same as this and the series has shown to have counterdictions be cleared up no matter how inconsistent or daming it is to the orignal intent of the fight. My point stands, Vegeta's SS3 dosen't stand out at all among the greater franchise.
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12 can easily be many.
Edit: and I just got through explaining why SS3 vegeta is minor. I consider the fusion issue far more pressing
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I guess Vegeta wasn't that mad at Beerus for slapping Bulma after all.
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Literally exact same energy as "I guess goku wasn't trying his hardest to stop buu and get past vegeta after all"
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Correct. He literally wasn't
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All of these discussions are meaningless, tbh.
Due to how DB works, I'm 100% sure that both manga and anime (hoping it returns) will reference DB Daima events sooner or later. Such as how it happened with RoF, DBS:Broly, or SDBH in the manga
Due to how DB works, I'm 100% sure that both manga and anime (
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As above. And no? There's a slew of reasons why he wouldn't have went SSJ3, the least of which is it's actual dogshit. You're forcing a contradiction where at worst it's like "eh, oh well".
Are you confusing the warp points to different parts of the universe, with whole different universes?
I pray you don't mean the creation scene, there's like a dozen reasons why that doesn't work, but in the end wouldn't even matter because of the big blue baby who was known to blow up universes at a whim (literally popped 6 off being annoyed because he couldn't find Beerus in hide and seek), let alone in the time between creation to modern (which we have general timeframes, assuming he only destroyed one every 1000 years, he'd have obliterated millions).
Zeno's existence renders that whole nitpick, not even a nitpick, it just doesn't work.
I guess Super is a spinoff too, it isn't a sequel. Happens before final ch.
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Read the manga that completely goes against the tone, the intent and the impact of that fight. It's a huge massive retcon that makes the ealyer parts of the buu saga worse. It is literally the exact same situation as saying vegeta wasn't that angry after all. To say daima is none canon its contradictions would have to be a bridge above the kind of thing the series has delt with before and this decidedly is not sense the exact same thing has happened before.
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Imagine if in BoG we saw Vegeta finally using SSJ3 transformation for the first time after years of people wishing for that, with a massive anger amp just to lose pathetically to Beerus like his SSJ2 self did.
SSJ3 fraud allegations would've been eternal
SSJ3 fraud allegations would've been eternal
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Ea that was before the era of calling everyone frads so he'd be grandfathered in like all the other anime frads
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"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."
Worth noting that this is technically shown in Super. Super Saiyan Blue is essentially SS1 with God Ki and Trunks shows that SS2 can be evolved to match SS3, presumably without the same energy restrictions. So Goku did just stick with SS1 (albeit with God Ki) and Trunks did train SS2 to be SS3-level.
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That would've been... a way better scene
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Well there we have it
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Wow I can't believe the Questioner tried sliding that in
"Goku endlessly keeps getting stronger, with Super Saiyan 3 in the manga and Super Saiyan 4 in the anime; does Super Saiyan keep getting limitlessly stronger too? Might we eventually see things such as a Super Saiyan 5…?!"
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Not with BoG animation, though
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Yep so there goes the SSJ3
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Yeah and Zeno not undermining Trunks' whole story would have been cool too.
Dog writing isn't a contradiction.
Obviously at the time Vegeta didn't have SSJ3 in a meta sense, but him retroactively having SSJ3 isn't a contradiction either.
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But for real: my headcanon belief is that Vegeta, during the four year time skip between Buu and Super, developed his Super Saiyan 2 form to the point that it could rival his Super Saiyan 3 form without any of the stamina drain or energy consumption. Something like Future Trunks' Super Saiyan 2 in the manga continuity of Dragon Ball Super.
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I feel like I've read this interview before
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Vegeta does do something like that in Kakarot's EoZ DLC so it is something acknowledged as a possibility at least. Trunks gained SS2 only like 3 years before he came back to the past and he raised its level to SS3 strength while having to survive Black. So Vegeta evolving SS2 to SS3 level in the 4ish years from Daima to BoG isn't hard to believe.
The only possible issue with that is that Vegeta shows surprise at SS2 Trunks matching SS3 Goku but that's a really mild nitpick as Vegeta could simply be shocked that Trunks managed to learn that by himself or something.
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That doesn't even confirm what you said lol, it just means Goku wants to train his other forms to avoid the energy drain.
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In fairness: Goku and Vegeta had been training for years underneath Whis and had three years in the HTC under their belt. Yet Trunks managed to fight well against Super Saiyan 3 Goku with his Super Saiyan 2 form, making Goku use Super Saiyan God for a brief bit, so I can see Vegeta being surprised because of Trunks matching any of them despite their godly training.
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this, wait till it ends, who knows? maybe all the contradictions will be fixed, it isn't like we are using Daima for anything right now, we just need to wait for it to finish first
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"After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength"
Are we to assume this would have been an impossible realization for Vegeta?
Also you keep yapping, yet have yet to source any of your claims. Do so.
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Yes... training does raise your level in Dragon Ball.
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Your conveniently, not acknowledging the part that matters. The part where SS3 would be rendered useless and therefore it's not an issue if vegeta dosen't use it
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Why are you ignoring the whole point of the statement? SSJ3 is absolute dogshit, all SSJ3 is, is an variant of SSJ1 in technicallity. Training lower forms instead can make said forms reap the benefits of SSJ3, without the drawbacks.
This is, in fact, a given reason why Goku literally never uses it beyond casual displays.
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He didn't say that it would make his SSJ2 stronger than his SSJ3 lmfao.
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Literally yea it dose his level would not rise if he wasn't stronger then SS3 that is literally the only senseable way to interpret the statment.
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You're right, he actually said SSJ1.
"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."
"raise his level more" is in direct response to SSJ3. Goku mastering SSJ1, after training, would increase his power more compared to SSJ3, all while sapping less strength. We 100% know it's talking about comparatively to SSJ3 even ignoring linguistics, because it says "and sap less strength", which is a major caveat to SSJ3 that makes it dogshit unusable in most fights.
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Vegeta also consistently choices more power over other attributes. Like when he choose to sacrifice strength for speed over in the cell saga well goku choose enhanced stamina preservation and got stronger for it, so it makes sense he would keep and empower SS2 over SS1
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That's even less reliable, since Goku becomes a SSJ2 all the time in Super.
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Pretty sure Grade 3 is the only form that sacrifices speed, Grade 2 is just a powered-up version of SSJ that retains the stamina problem.
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