High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

[MasqueTLDF]

I mean, he created his mythology system, like Sacred Gear System, Angels so called him a creator is not wrong, it is a broad word, but i will refrain from saying him created everything in the verse cause nothing say it and it cause contradiction with the narration

Nobody's claiming he made everything in the verse, just the Human Realm and Christianity's Heaven.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Nobody's claiming he made everything in the verse, just the Human Realm and Christianity's Heaven.

Hell too

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Hell too

Most likely since it's technically part of "the Christian Mythology" and the Biblical origin

 

[Vietthai96]

I doubt he even made human, or at least, not all human

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I doubt he even made human, or at least, not all human

? Adam and Eve exist? And of course he didn't make all of them, artificial humans and birth exist. He obviously has created some and implying otherwise is factually incorrect.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

There's a bit much to process here lol.

 

[Vietthai96]

There's a bit much to process here lol.

So.....eh.....what is the first thing we should focus on, for now??, you guys call

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I mean, he created his mythology system, like Sacred Gear System, Angels so called him a creator is not wrong, it is a broad word, but i will refrain from saying him created everything in the verse cause nothing say it and it cause contradiction with the narration

Well, yeah. I meant creating Heaven, Angels and humans like Adam and Eve, whose existence were mentioned in v18 and now Junior DxD with Edens Dual being a thing. This is supported by Innovate Clear being compared to God because it can create worlds with living things.

I don’t know about other mythologies. Not enough confirmation for that and I think it’s too sketchy to say. So I agree we shouldn’t claim God created everything.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

There's a bit much to process here lol.

Check if the formatting for @MasqueTLDF cosmology sandbox is okay and ‘modern’ enough.

So.....eh.....what is the first thing we should focus on, for now??, you guys call

Dunno, we can talk about whatever lol. We’ve already mentioned most abilities that can be added.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

(Sorry for triple posting lol)

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This is @MasqueTLDF sandbox for the cosmology so we can help with additions and formatting when we have time. I’ll try to look more closely during the weekend when I have more free time (hopefully).

For now, I think Mount Meru should be moved from the Human World to Hindu World section. Although, unfortunately, we haven’t seen much of the mythological worlds but we do know they have Heaven and Hell which can be mentioned in the blog.

Norse World has three levels: Realm of the Dead / Nilfheim at the bottom, an unnamed second level, and Asgard at the top. Muspelheim is in the far south but not a separate layer iirc.

So the Norse World (Asgard) has a Sun during the daytime, with rays of sunlight also being mentioned.

Drifting alongside Trihexa were two Evil Dragons — one of which was the [Forbidden Dragon of Demonic OriginDiabolism Thousand Dragon][3] Aži Dahāka. Standing on top of Aži Dahāka was the [Primordial Darkness DragonEclipse Dragon][4] Apophis, in a human form. Aži Dahāka had created a countless number of magic circles within the air (magic from various different mythologies). The myriad of magic circles encompassed a vast area and released huge amounts of flames, ice, water, lightning, and storms. All of this magic was directed towards the souls of Valhalla. Apophis raised a single hand in the air. Gathered in this hand was an extraordinary amount of aura. In response to this action, the sky became dark. The radiant light which poured down from the sky had actually been obscured by the power of that Evil Dragon. He then created a large dark ball in the sky, and even blocked out the sun, causing the ground to become a world of darkness. When he used that forbidden technique to block out the sun in the past, a tragedy would occur. Activating the forbidden technique which was engraved on his body, from that ball of darkness emerged [Primordial Water][5] — the flow of a large, dark river. It would engulf everything. Even a god-class being would be seriously injured if they were to be engulfed by it. In order to prevent Apophis’ forbidden technique from activating, the Valkyries that Rossweisse was a part of activated their own magic circles, and used techniques to hold it back. Rays of sunlight were able to return through the sphere of darkness, but were stopped again. The defensive battle in which the situation continuously shifted back and forth began. The Valkyries opposed it desperately, but a smile emerged on Apophis’ face, clearly showing that he was enjoying this tug of war. Compared to Rizevim, these two Evil Dragons, Aži Dahāka and Apophis had even more power. The current situation had already far exceeded what happened during the attack on the Underworld by the Demonic Beasts.

This makes it likely that the other mythologies also have stars during the daytime and nighttime as well.

Additionally, we have gods like Apollon and Ra who are named after the sun, which makes it more probable that each mythology has stars. Apophis has been mentioned to have blotted out sunlight with his darkness in the past, probably in his battles against Ra or whoever else. By the way, he did the same “solar eclipse” in the human world.

Apophis’ entire body — gradually became enveloped in darkness. As if in response to the entire island being enshrouded by darkness, the darkness hovering around Apophis’ body gradually began to expand, and slowly change. It finally formed a shape, and had become some kind of large object. A solar eclipse floated in the sky above the island, which revealed only a thin halo of light. And obscuring that was an Evil Dragon who had already transformed and was now hovering in the air—. The thing which appeared in the sky to obscure the barrier was a gigantic serpentine dragon with a total length that exceeded one hundred metres. It was completely black in colour, but it also had gems on its body which released a silvery, shimmering glow. It had three eyes upon its head, with each of them also releasing a silver luminance. So this was the…[Eclipse Dragon][3], Apophis’ true form! Such…an ominous aura! It was a deadly aura which differed from that of Crom Cruach’s!

In summary, this should make further evidence of the mythology dimensions being tier 4 sized at least, similarly to Second Heaven.

Heaven and the Norse World have sun/stars (and also Hell in the anime?), so we can probably extrapolate that the other dimensions also do. At the very least, two mythologies are confirmed.

To make myself clear, I am not trying to make this a feat for Apophis since he obviously is only blocking out sunlight for enclosed areas rather than creating a legitimate solar eclipse. So I’m not saying Apophis has a star level feat or whatever.

I’m only discussing about the mythological dimensions.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

For now, I think Mount Meru should be moved from the Human World to Hindu World section. Although, unfortunately, we haven’t seen much of the mythological worlds but we do know they have Heaven and Hell which can be mentioned in the blog.

Mount Meru is located on Earth though, if it was affiliation based, Kyoto would've gone in the Japanese section.

This makes it likely that the other mythologies also have stars during the daytime and nighttime as well.

I think it's safe to say that the size of each Heaven and Hell are relative.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Mount Meru is located on Earth though, if it was affiliation based, Kyoto would've gone in the Japanese section

Where’s that stated? Don’t think that’s the case at all.

I think it's safe to say that the size of each Heaven and Hell are relative

Not sure what people would decide on but at least Heaven and the Norse World are confirmed with stars.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Where’s that stated? Don’t think that’s the case at all.

It's a real place on Earth, we don't default to assuming places like Greece aren't on earth. This statement seems to agree, "In terms of battle powers, he is a strong foe who is said to be on par or above the first generation Sun Wukong. We received information that he sometimes descends from Mt Sumeru to appear in the depth of the mountain somewhere in this country."

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

It's a real place on Earth, we don't default to assuming places like Greece aren't on earth. This statement seems to agree, "In terms of battle powers, he is a strong foe who is said to be on par or above the first generation Sun Wukong. We received information that he sometimes descends from Mt Sumeru to appear in the depth of the mountain somewhere in this country."

Nah, not really. It’s the same as saying Heaven is in the sky or Underworld is physically underground because of things like this:

Half an hour after Xenovia and Mil-tan had breached the skies, we were resting. Simultaneously, Irina held her phone up vigorously nodded and apologised to someone on the other end that we couldn’t identify.

Soon after the incident, we received a message from Heaven. They said that two people riding bicycles appeared to be attempting a break-in to Heaven. One of them was Xenovia who rode sensei’s shooting-star rocket bicycle. And the other one was Mil-tan who had become an Angel riding the bicycle produced by Heaven. It seemed that both of them had safely arrived in Heaven. …So their bicycles made it all the way to Heaven huh…. In other words, they managed to break into Heaven like that!? It was only supposed to be me and Asia today, so how did we end up with two bicycles arriving in Heaven!? It was just so ludicrous that Xenovia and Mil-tan had managed to arrive in Heaven on bicycles! The park had become a launching ground for those attempting to infiltrate Heaven!

Of course we know that the mythologies are in different dimensions and the bicycles were specifically made by Azazel, so they could breach Heaven after flying into the skies.

Mount Meru is in the Hindu World, so it’s in another dimension as well.

As of now, Trihexa has appeared in the mythological territories of the Greeks, Hindus, Celtics, and Egyptians, as well mountainous areas of Europe and off the coast of Japan in the human world; a total of six locations. It appears that it has split apart according to the number of its heads. In the case of the Hindu mythology, Indra is able to deal with it — that is to say, it’ll be enough for those at Mount Meru to take it on. This might actually be good medicine for Indra. While I’m talking about this, the battle has already begun, and there have already been severe losses everywhere. Several god-class beings have already been temporarily eliminated. Although complete death has been avoided…a considerable amount of human faith is required to bring them back into this world again. This also shows that even after Trihexa split itself apart, its power remains above the level of a god-class being.”

The mythological territories (including Mount Meru) were mentioned differently from the human world.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Nah, not really. It’s the same as saying Heaven is in the sky or Underworld is physically underground because of things like this:

I mean, the Underworld and Heaven don't exactly exist IRL, Meru does. But sure, I'll change it to the Heaven section. And feel free to make any changes yourself, if they're big or controversial, please just let me know first, thanks.

Of course we know that the mythologies are in different dimensions and the bicycles were specifically made by Azazel, so they could breach Heaven after flying into the skies.

Mount Meru is in the Hindu World, so it’s in another dimension as well.

The mythological territories (including Mount Meru) were mentioned differently from the human world.

Sure ig. But do you know what Volume Muspelheim is mentioned in? Was it a side story?
Edit: Found it, it was in DX 7...

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I mean, the Underworld and Heaven don't exactly exist IRL, Meru does. But sure, I'll change it to the Heaven section. And feel free to make any changes yourself, if they're big or controversial, please just let me know first, thanks.

Sure ig. But do you know what Volume Muspelheim is mentioned in? Was it a side story?
Edit: It was in DX 7...

Yah, I will check during the weekend. You can keep adding information ofc. As for the Greek World, I’m thinking we should include the Abyss?

The translator said the raws say “naraku” which means abyss or hell.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Yah, I will check during the weekend. You can keep adding information ofc. As for the Greek World, I’m thinking we should include the Abyss?

The translator said the raws say “naraku” which means abyss or hell.

I'll mention it in the SB

 

[MasqueTLDF]

And I wonder if we should default to assuming that all Mythological Worlds that have a mentioned Sun God (in series) like Greek Mythology (with Apollon) have stars in them, maybe that could be supporting evidence? It'd be kinda weird to assume they all represent the same sun when other mythologies have been shown to have their own.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

And I wonder if we should default to assuming that all Mythological Worlds that have a mentioned Sun God (in series) like Greek Mythology (with Apollon) have stars in them, maybe that could be supporting evidence? It'd be kinda weird to assume they all represent the same sun when other mythologies have been shown to have their own.

Perhaps. Honestly, since Biblical and Norse mythology have stars, I don’t see much issue with assuming that the same applies to the other dimensions.

But it’s a cosmology blog and we should try to be as objective as possible. So I guess it can be mentioned as a possibility for the other realms.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Norse Mythology can technically be argued at least 5D as a whole

9 Realms ( Universes )

And The Infinite Gap that holds all of them within it where Ymir was born

If only Ishibumi explored it more in the literal freaking Ragnarok Saga

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

(Sorry for triple posting lol)

MasqueTLDF/Sandbox High School DxD Cosmology

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This is @MasqueTLDF sandbox for the cosmology so we can help with additions and formatting when we have time. I’ll try to look more closely during the weekend when I have more free time (hopefully).

For now, I think Mount Meru should be moved from the Human World to Hindu World section. Although, unfortunately, we haven’t seen much of the mythological worlds but we do know they have Heaven and Hell which can be mentioned in the blog.

Norse World has three levels: Realm of the Dead / Nilfheim at the bottom, an unnamed second level, and Asgard at the top. Muspelheim is in the far south but not a separate layer iirc.

So the Norse World (Asgard) has a Sun during the daytime, with rays of sunlight also being mentioned.

This makes it likely that the other mythologies also have stars during the daytime and nighttime as well.

Additionally, we have gods like Apollon and Ra who are named after the sun, which makes it more probable that each mythology has stars. Apophis has been mentioned to have blotted out sunlight with his darkness in the past, probably in his battles against Ra or whoever else. By the way, he did the same “solar eclipse” in the human world.

In summary, this should make further evidence of the mythology dimensions being tier 4 sized at least, similarly to Second Heaven.

Heaven and the Norse World have sun/stars (and also Hell in the anime?), so we can probably extrapolate that the other dimensions also do. At the very least, two mythologies are confirmed.

To make myself clear, I am not trying to make this a feat for Apophis since he obviously is only blocking out sunlight for enclosed areas rather than creating a legitimate solar eclipse. So I’m not saying Apophis has a star level feat or whatever.

I’m only discussing about the mythological dimensions.

Right, right.

Well, it's passible.

Yeah, anything that's of mythological nature should be of their own realm. We know the Norse Gods are of Scandinavia, but they also have their realms related to their mythology that should be their own dimension as established even I think around Shin with the whole "multiple dimensions" thing and I somewhat remember a statement from Le Fay about parallel universes...which I could have sworn she might just mean like the Human World and the other mythological worlds for that matter? IDK. But that should be 2-C ish in a way I feel like, if not that with Human World, Heaven with the "infinite" ish sized floors they got, and whatever else we can use to at least justify 2-C DxD verse. This, once again, not taking the Dimensional Gap (Void in Localization) into the equation.

That said, yeah Mt Meru being a realm of the Gods should be of wherever it would be for the Hindu Gods realm.

Norse Mythos has two underworld layers? Probably missed that bit or just don't remember much beyond Niflheim lol. And right, Asgard should and I would imagine the other mythos should even if it's only a possible given we haven't explored those at all if not even beyond a little of it.

Regarding the "solar eclipse" thing, that can be a legitimate feat if the char in question has done it more than once. Though that can depend on what Apophis did to make the solar eclipse. Did they do it by magic? Maybe do moon moving shit to block the sun like this guy did? And that's also the matter of how fast he did let alone if you can scale that to their physicals which I think is one of those things here that can be case-by-case basis issue but if it's anything like the char I linked for example, it may literally even justify the Boosted Gear shit...maybe. If not, welp tough luck. Just to put that out here.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Right, right.

Well, it's passible.

Appreciate that.

Yeah, anything that's of mythological nature should be of their own realm. We know the Norse Gods are of Scandinavia, but they also have their realms related to their mythology that should be their own dimension as established even I think around Shin with the whole "multiple dimensions" thing and I somewhat remember a statement from Le Fay about parallel universes...which I could have sworn she might just mean like the Human World and the other mythological worlds for that matter?

Possibly, I could add the statement to the mythological worlds sections like, "Referred to as parallel universes by Le Fay", I know which statement you're referring to. It's from Volume 11, I kinda defaulted to assuming she was referring to alternate timelines as Azazel and the others weren't too surprised in EX when they were first mentioned to them (I assumed that meant they knew of their existence but given the statement, "In the time period we are from——the world of the future, there is someone capable of observing parallel worlds, or in other words the timelines.", it's likely that they only developed that capability in the future. With this, the Myth realms could likely be defaulted to Low 2-C.

IDK. But that should be 2-C ish in a way I feel like, if not that with Human World, Heaven with the "infinite" ish sized floors they got, and whatever else we can use to at least justify 2-C DxD verse. This, once again, not taking the Dimensional Gap (Void in Localization) into the equation.

That said, yeah Mt Meru being a realm of the Gods should be of wherever it would be for the Hindu Gods realm.

Norse Mythos has two underworld layers? Probably missed that bit or just don't remember much beyond Niflheim lol. And right, Asgard should and I would imagine the other mythos should even if it's only a possible given we haven't explored those at all if not even beyond a little of it.

I agree.

Regarding the "solar eclipse" thing, that can be a legitimate feat if the char in question has done it more than once. Though that can depend on what Apophis did to make the solar eclipse. Did they do it by magic? Maybe do moon moving shit to block the sun like this guy did? And that's also the matter of how fast he did let alone if you can scale that to their physicals which I think is one of those things here that can be case-by-case basis issue but if it's anything like the char I linked for example, it may literally even justify the Boosted Gear shit...maybe. If not, welp tough luck. Just to put that out here.

Apophis envelops his body in a large ball of Darkness Magic that was large enough to block out the Sun in one instance. We know that the size of magical techniques is directly related to the amount of magic power. (Of course, the size can be reduced by increasing the density but that's just an exception.) So maybe we'd be able to calc the size of an object that would be needed to cause a total solar eclipse (Absolute 0 light) over a whole island and equate that size to magic power in the form of a creation feat? I'm not the best with calcs (or decent at all lol) but I think that's how it would be done.
Edit: Due to Mu and Atlantis being referenced as actual continents on the Earth, would that make the Earth 5-A?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Appreciate that.

Possibly, I could add the statement to the mythological worlds sections like, "Referred to as parallel universes by Le Fay", I know which statement you're referring to. It's from Volume 11, I kinda defaulted to assuming she was referring to alternate timelines as Azazel and the others weren't too surprised in EX when they were first mentioned to them (I assumed that meant they knew of their existence but given the statement, "In the time period we are from——the world of the future, there is someone capable of observing parallel worlds, or in other words the timelines.", it's likely that they only developed that capability in the future. With this, the Myth realms could likely be defaulted to Low 2-C.

She said they searched on parallel universes. I interpreted that as them researching on whether parallel universes exist or not, not like literally trying to observe parallel universes.

Especially after the Chichigami incident. So I don’t think it’s for the mythology worlds.

Apophis envelops his body in a large ball of Darkness Magic that was large enough to block out the Sun in one instance. We know that the size of magical techniques is directly related to the amount of magic power. (Of course, the size can be reduced by increasing the density but that's just an exception.) So maybe we'd be able to calc the size of an object that would be needed to cause a total solar eclipse (Absolute 0 light) over a whole island and equate that size to magic power in the form of a creation feat? I'm not the best with calcs (or decent at all lol) but I think that's how it would be done.

Is there a calc formula for something like that? Best to ask around. I know there was some water or lightning creation formula like 4 years ago, but they don’t seem to be used again (?).

Edit: Due to Mu and Atlantis being referenced as actual continents on the Earth, would that make the Earth 5-A?

You know, I wanted to say it isn’t confirmed they exist, but then iirc Le Fay mentions they were researching the technology of Mu which seems to imply they existed at one point. I dunno.

But how do you reach the 5-A conclusion?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Hmm, and is there any way of calculating Issei’s feat from DX 4 by the way? The one from volume 22 has a calc we use already.

But that should be 2-C ish in a way I feel like, if not that with Human World, Heaven with the "infinite" ish sized floors they got, and whatever else we can use to at least justify 2-C DxD verse. This, once again, not taking the Dimensional Gap (Void in Localization) into the equation.

Tier. 2 size would depend on a few things

1. Whether the infinite or endless statements for Heaven are accepted as literal
2. Dimensional Gap being “boundless” (or given the same treatment as Garganta)

Not sure how this would go.

But aside from that, tier 4 size can be suggested as a low end based on mythology dimensions having stars. Wiki standards and treatment for other series should allow this at least.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

She said they searched on parallel universes. I interpreted that as them researching on whether parallel universes exist or not, not like literally trying to observe parallel universes.

The quote in the OTL is "We even ventured to other worlds", in the FanTL, it's "We also searched on parallel universes." So we can solidly confirm that they traveled to these locations, I'll check if the raws say universe or world. (Not sure if there's a difference) Might be a little weird tho because in DxD, world can mean planet, dimension, universe, or group of dimensions. We know it's referring to the mythological worlds (As Le Fay mentioned it with Norse Myth as context and as mentioned in Volume 4, Vali did plan to travel to different Mythological Worlds to fight the Gods.) but as the FanTL denotes size, I'd say it's important to confirm.

Especially after the Chichigami incident. So I don’t think it’s for the mythology worlds.

The incident in Volume 7 wouldn't affect the size of the Myth worlds.

Is there a calc formula for something like that? Best to ask around. I know there was some water or lightning creation formula like 4 years ago, but they don’t seem to be used again (?).

Not sure.

You know, I wanted to say it isn’t confirmed they exist, but then iirc Le Fay mentions they were researching the technology of Mu which seems to imply they existed at one point. I dunno.

But how do you reach the 5-A conclusion?

Idk, just thought it would be bigger than average planet size.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Hmm, and is there any way of calculating Issei’s feat from DX 4 by the way? The one from volume 22 has a calc we use already.

Which one?

Tier. 2 size would depend on a few things

1. Whether the infinite or endless statements for Heaven are accepted as literal
2. Dimensional Gap being “boundless” (or given the same treatment as Garganta)

Not sure how this would go.

Infinite isn't necessary for Tier 2, just a universe sized space time, the Human Realm would undoubtedly be Low 2-C by itself. And if we determine that the FanTL was accurate, that'd be enough for DxD to get 2-C by itself.

But aside from that, tier 4 size can be suggested as a low end based on mythology dimensions having stars. Wiki standards and treatment for other series should allow this at least.

Eh, Low 2-C minimum is more accurate imo

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Tier. 2 size would depend on a few things

1. Whether the infinite or endless statements for Heaven are accepted as literal
2. Dimensional Gap being “boundless” (or given the same treatment as Garganta)

Not sure how this would go.

But aside from that, tier 4 size can be suggested as a low end based on mythology dimensions having stars. Wiki standards and treatment for other series should allow this at least.

Ooooh...

At least Tier 4 sized realms can work for the low end.

If for some reason that doesn't even get accepted, IDK what will convince them on that front...

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Here's the raw for Le Fay's statement.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Apophis envelops his body in a large ball of Darkness Magic that was large enough to block out the Sun in one instance. We know that the size of magical techniques is directly related to the amount of magic power. (Of course, the size can be reduced by increasing the density but that's just an exception.) So maybe we'd be able to calc the size of an object that would be needed to cause a total solar eclipse (Absolute 0 light) over a whole island and equate that size to magic power in the form of a creation feat? I'm not the best with calcs (or decent at all lol) but I think that's how it would be done.
Edit: Due to Mu and Atlantis being referenced as actual continents on the Earth, would that make the Earth 5-A?

Ahhh. So it's of his own power, which should mean Apophis should scale to that if they use said magical power to fight and all. Them being Evil Dragons that are strong and also Heaven Dragon Class probably helps with it.

Edit: Hm, you probably can go to the Calc Request Thread and hope someone from the calc team can do that.

If it gets to something like 5-A or whatever, all the better OWO

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Idk, just thought it would be bigger than average planet size.

Large planets can fit at least dozens of our Earth, and that’s for the smaller large planets iirc.

Mu and Atlantis are just “continents”, so I don’t think it changes much although maybe a slight mention in the blog that Mu and Atlantis possibly existed in the past.

Which one?

The one where he vaporizes the vast plateaus, forests, rivers, mountainous terrains.

Is there like, a minimum size we can use for a “vast plateau”? Either that or the forests, rivers, etc.

Infinite isn't necessary for Tier 2, just a universe sized space time, the Human Realm would undoubtedly be Low 2-C by itself. And if we determine that the FanTL was accurate, that'd be enough for DxD to get 2-C by itself.

Eh, Low 2-C minimum is more accurate imo

Human Realm, as in the universe? Sure, but that’s rarely ever mentioned. They are usually talking about the surface human world we live in.

So it would be tier 2 if it was the entire universe, but I don’t recall there’s enough indication of that, which is why I say tier 4 size as the low end for mythology dimensions.

If for some reason that doesn't even get accepted, IDK what will convince them on that front...

Hm, no reason it shouldn’t be, since we’ve now seen evidence of the Norse World having a sun along with Heaven having stars.

It should be similar to how wiki treats Soul Society both as a planet (for Yamamoto’s feat) and as a dimension with stars (for Soul King and Yhwach’s feats). Neither should discredit the other.

Basically, Underworld surface area being the same size as the human world doesn’t discredit the fact that the mythology dimensions have stars.

That’s the way I see it. Again, it’s important that the wiki is internally consistent.

Hm, you probably can go to the Calc Request Thread and hope someone from the calc team can do that.

Or maybe ask around on VBW discord if something like that can be calculated in the first place. Because I’m not sure if it’s really quantifiable.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Hm, no reason it shouldn’t be, since we’ve now seen evidence of the Norse World having a sun along with Heaven having stars.

It should be similar to how wiki treats Soul Society both as a planet (for Yamamoto’s feat) and as a dimension with stars (for Soul King and Yhwach’s feats). Neither should discredit the other.

Basically, Underworld surface area being the same size as the human world doesn’t discredit the fact that the mythology dimensions have stars.

That’s the way I see it. Again, it’s important that the wiki is internally consistent.

Or maybe ask around on VBW discord if something like that can be calculated in the first place. Because I’m not sure if it’s really quantifiable.

Exactly.

Even if we go with what we usually read on, they can't be that any different from how Bleach is as you said.

Perhaps. I kinda figure it's worth a shot to see if it's truly quantifiable or not.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I tried to ask ChatGPT for examples of “vast plateaus” and getting different answers. Any thoughts for a standard size to settle on?

Apparently smaller major plateaus are in the four-digit square kilometer range, so a vast plateau would probably be five to six digits range.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Large planets can fit at least dozens of our Earth, and that’s for the smaller large planets iirc.

Mu and Atlantis are just “continents”, so I don’t think it changes much although maybe a slight mention in the blog that Mu and Atlantis possibly existed in the past.

Gotcha

The one where he vaporizes the vast plateaus, forests, rivers, mountainous terrains.

Is there like, a minimum size we can use for a “vast plateau”? Either that or the forests, rivers, etc.

"The field was a vast plateau. There were rivers and forests, while mountain ranges stood in the northeast and southwest." "The vast plateau had been flattened from south to north, the forests and rivers had been completely vaporised, and all that remained was a barren surface which had been exposed by a single blast" The wording would imply that several mountain ranges were vaporized, in comparison to the one used to get the Small Country Level rating, wouldn't that mean PDxD could get the country Level rating that AxA currently has? Maybe even higher if instead of assuming the minimum for mountain ranges, we go for an average size? (For the V22 calc and the DX. 4 calc, I'm not even sure if the current Small Country calc is even valid considering how outdated it is.)

Human Realm, as in the universe? Sure, but that’s rarely ever mentioned. They are usually talking about the surface human world we live in.

That doesn't mean that the universe the characters live in doesn't exist tho, just like how "Heaven" is usually referring to the third heaven specifically and how "Asgard" and "Underworld" typically refer to the entirety of the Norse heaven or just the planet respectively. That doesn't mean the other heavens/rest of the human realm doesn't exist.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I tried to ask ChatGPT for examples of “vast plateaus” and getting different answers. Any thoughts for a standard size to settle on?

Apparently smaller major plateaus are in the four-digit square kilometer range, so a vast plateau would probably be five to six digits range.

I'd say six digits is fine, the Western, Mexican, and Colorado plateaus are all in that range and they're far from being the largest.

Edit: If instead of Re:Build, I'd used this argument, would 2-A (or possibly Low 1-C) have been accepted? Seems a lot more coherent without having to worry about the baggage of proving Re:Build is canon and is actually very consistent considering how many "endless possibilities" statements are included in the series.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Someone made this thread a while ago.
There I published a comment where it talks about the scale of the Heavenly Dragon Class

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Someone made this thread a while ago.
There I published a comment where it talks about the scale of the Heavenly Dragon Class

I think the Central one is fine.

 

[BlackeJan]

Getting real tired of VSBW not giving me the notifications….

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Getting real tired of VSBW not giving me the notifications….

Try using the watch button at the top of the thread.

 

[Vietthai96]

Damn, my lazy ass forgot to edit @Qliphoth_Bacikal sandbox, busy with applying DB revision bruhh

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Another thing, a while ago someone posted this thread asking about Excalibur and I was the only one who answered, that's why I don't know if what I said was correct since no one said anything.