High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread

[MasqueTLDF]

I'm tired of this nonsense, do what you want, I don't care anymore.

Sure, I hope you have a nice night, I appreciate the discussion.

 

[Vietthai96]

Wait, isn't Aoen Balor is because Forbidden Balor View evolved into Longinus-level Scared Gear???, damn i keep forgetting thing about Gasper

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Wait, isn't Aoen Balor is because Forbidden Balor View evolved into Longinus-level Scared Gear???, damn i keep forgetting thing about Gasper

Correct, it became a Subspecies Sacred Gear because of Balor.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Wait, isn't Aoen Balor is because Forbidden Balor View evolved into Longinus-level Scared Gear???, damn i keep forgetting thing about Gasper

I only kinda remember Gasper for being an otoko no ko.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I only kinda remember Gasper for being an otoko no ko.

Kawaii! \o/

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

By the way, why is Arcadia grouped the same as Olympus in the sandbox?

 

[MasqueTLDF]

By the way, why is Arcadia grouped the same as Olympus in the sandbox?

Wasn't Olympus called Arcadia at one point?
Also, do you have the raws for EX?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

As for the spatial manipulation I saw being discussed in the physiology thread, virtually anyone can do it since side characters like Susan and Horie warped space with their presence. I think this was in volume 8.

Wasn't Olympus called Arcadia at one point?
Also, do you have the raws for EX?

Can’t be the case since Lycaon was the king of Arcadia before Zeus turned him into a wolf. Arcadia was said to be a paradise in the Greek World but it shouldn’t be Olympus obviously because Zeus is the leader, not Lycaon.

I don’t have the raws but I did see the raws for Ruma Idra somewhere. Can’t remember though.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

As for the spatial manipulation I saw being discussed in the physiology thread, virtually anyone can do it since side characters like Susan and Horie warped space with their presence. I think this was in volume 8.


Can’t be the case since Lycaon was the king of Arcadia before Zeus turned him into a wolf. Arcadia was said to be a paradise in the Greek World but it shouldn’t be Olympus obviously because Zeus is the leader, not Lycaon.

Got it, I'll note the difference... in the morning...
Thought I'd mention this, the original text for “The Underworld has the same amount of surface area as the human world, but the population here isn’t the same as the human world. Even with Devils, Fallen Angels, and other races, it isn’t that high. And since there are no oceans, the land is also spacious.” is "冥界は⼈間界 ──地球と同程度の⾯積があるけれど, ⼈間界ほど⼈⼝はないわ."

Basically saying the Underworld and Human Realm are the same size and the Earth and the Underworld (this time referring to the surface area of the planet itself rather than the whole dimension via context), and that the "people" (The original text doesn't specify species) of the Underworld number less than the Human Realm.

What I find interesting is that the Kanji used for "Human World" (⼈間界) is not the same as the one Ishibumi used for "Earth" (地球) which would imply that the Underworld and Human Realm are of equal size. And this would apply to the other myth realms as well, remember the "parallel universes" statement Le Fay made in V11? (The context of the quote was different mythologies) The Kanji used was (異世界) which in certain instances depending on context can mean "Different Dimension/World" or "Parallel Universe/Dimension". And I think the latter would be contextually correct because of the Underworld thing, the infinite statements from Heaven (which I'll check the Kanji for later), and the numerous similarities both narratively (they're all of equal importance from an in universe perspective, the souls thing, etc) and cosmologically (levels, stars, separation via DG, implications of Innovate Clear creating Heaven)
This'd make DxD 2-C undoubtedly. (Also, the context that the word "Underworld is used in should be evaluated whenever it's used for scaling.)

Let me know your thoughts guys, thanks and GN.

 

[Vietthai96]

It is obvious that the Kanji for Human World shold be different from Earth, since it is a term refering to thenplace where human live

異世界

This term mean "isekai", only mean Other World, Different World. Different Dimension or Universe require completely different kanji. You will need extreme context to prove this term mean Universe

Anyway, i always think that DxD's Earth contain place human live and mythologies live in their pocket dimension that tied to Earth

 

[MasqueTLDF]

It is obvious that the Kanji for Human World shold be different from Earth, since it is a term refering to thenplace where human live

Humans live on Earth, if it just meant "where the humans live" Ishibumi wouldn'tve differentiated as Earth would've had the same meaning. If your interpretation was correct, Earth would be the size of multiple stars which it obviously is not. And Humans live on Mount Meru (And in space as astronauts would exist) as well but that isn't called the Human World. So obviously Human World ≠ Earth.

This term mean "isekai", only mean Other World, Different World. Different Dimension or Universe require completely different kanji.

Yes, without further context.

You will need extreme context to prove this term mean Universe

Which I presented. Not sure of the credibility of these but the amount + 1 being a .org kinda lend credence.

Anyway, i always think that DxD's Earth contain place human live and mythologies live in their pocket dimension that tied to Earth

Not how that works. There's nothing in the series that directly links the Myth realms to Earth, only the Gods and the Humans.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Also, the context that the word "Underworld is used in should be evaluated whenever it's used for scaling.)

Sure, obviously. Like we’ve established before, the wiki treats Soul Society both as a planet and as a dimension with stars depending on the context.

So the same applies to the Underworld. The surface area is the same as Earth but it doesn’t disprove the Underworld as a dimension being potentially larger if it has celestial bodies.

The Kanji used was (異世界) which in certain instances depending on context can mean "Different Dimension/World" or "Parallel Universe/Dimension". And I think the latter would be contextually correct because of the Underworld thing

The phrasing means it could equally be on the other parallel worlds like ExE and FxF. Plus I don’t know why the Vali Team would be researching about other mythologies in that context.

Anyway, i always think that DxD's Earth contain place human live and mythologies live in their pocket dimension that tied to Earth

Not how that works.

Can both of you clarify?

the infinite statements from Heaven (which I'll check the Kanji for late

This would be very good to confirm for both Second Heaven and Third Heaven in particular.

implications of Innovate Clear creating Heaven)

Not sure if that’s what the comment indicated. God created the Sacred Gear system inside Heaven, so he should have made Innovate Clear after Heaven.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

The phrasing means it could equally be on the other parallel worlds like ExE and FxF. Plus I don’t know why the Vali Team would be researching about other mythologies in that context.

Unlikely, the raw text is "はい, 次元の狭間を泳ぐグレートレッドさんの秘密に始まり, 滅んだ⽂明 ──ムー⼤陸やアトランテイスの技術, それに異世界のことについて調査していました. 北欧神話勢⼒の世界樹も⾒てきましたし."
Basically, "we learned about Great Red who travels the Dimensional Gap, and the technology of the lost continents of Mu and Atlantis, as well as other worlds (isekai). We've also seen the World Tree of Norse Mythology"
Via context clues, we can determine that these other worlds are a part of the world tree, are in the dimensional gap, or are similar worlds to Norse Myth. And the last two could be true at the same time. Also, we know that since Volume 4, one of Vali's main motivations was to challenge each mythology's Gods (especially the Norse) and we know that Vali always brings his team (including Le Fay) on these adventures, so within the series there is evidence that it's referring to the Myth Realms. In addition to that, because the Official Translation adds on to this by saying that they actually traveled to these worlds, and we know that their main method of Travel is via Collbrande which allows travel through the Dimensional Gap. Also, we know Vali's gottn stronger between V4 and V11 which could've been a result of Challenging Gods, we know he had the means to via JD.
Here are the reasons why it can't be ExE or FxF, 1. Only the Evies have shown the ability to travel to (different dimensional gaps?) via a "warp hole" 2. Vali's team can only travel through the DG surrounding DxD 3. The implication of otherwise noted above

Can both of you clarify?

This would be very good to confirm for both Second Heaven and Third Heaven in particular.

Not sure if that’s what the comment indicated. God created the Sacred Gear system inside Heaven, so he should have made Innovate Clear after Heaven.

All Sacred Gears as a result of being created by God are likely things he'd be able to as well. (even the description of "imitating God" would imply God had a similar ability, along with other sacred gears), I just called it Innovate Clear as there's no other name. And while I don't disagree, when was it stated that the Sacred Gear system came after heaven? We know it's currently located there but was there anything else?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

All Sacred Gears as a result of being created by God are likely things he'd be able to as well. (even the description of "imitating God" would imply God had a similar ability, along with other sacred gears), I just called it Innovate Clear as there's no other name. And while I don't disagree, when was it stated that the Sacred Gear system came after heaven? We know it's currently located there but was there anything else?

It shouldn’t be all Sacred Gears; after all, some of them are created by sealing creatures within them. It’s not like Kurenai can use Boost or Transfer because he created a Boosted Gear, you get what I mean? It’s possible God could use

I’m saying God could have created it with his own power, not Innovate Clear. Because Innovate Clear is said to mimic God creating worlds with living things. That doesn’t necessarily mean God used Innovate Clear, especially since the original Sacred Gears are designed for those that have human lineage. It could simply mean God had the capacity to create worlds and living things with his own ability.

This is especially true because the living things created by Innovate Clear can’t naturally exist outside of that world, which is not the case for God’s creations.

It’s not explicitly stated that Heaven was created after the Sacred Gear system, but I am inferring it based on the reasons you mentioned.

Not how that works. There's nothing in the series that directly links the Myth realms to Earth, only the Gods and the Humans.

And what does this even matter? I’m trying to understand. The mythological worlds are in separate dimensions with their own flow of time and celestial bodies.

I’m recalling Nasuverse Earth which has different textures/layers/dimensions and it doesn’t seem to…particularly matter? I’m just trying to see why this is important.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

It shouldn’t be all Sacred Gears; after all, some of them are created by sealing creatures within them. It’s not like Kurenai can use Boost or Transfer because he created a Boosted Gear, you get what I mean? It’s possible God could use

Yeah I get that some were created after God's time. Do you mean Ex rather than Kurenai? And it was more along the lines of creating the system being the reasoning. IIRC, Ex had the artificial BG but i could be forgetting the details.

I’m saying God could have created it with his own power, not Innovate Clear. Because Innovate Clear is said to mimic God creating worlds with living things. That doesn’t necessarily mean God used Innovate Clear, especially since the original Sacred Gears are designed for those that have human lineage. It could simply mean God had the capacity to create worlds and living things with his own ability.

This is especially true because the living things created by Innovate Clear can’t naturally exist outside of that world, which is not the case for God’s creations.

It’s not explicitly stated that Heaven was created after the Sacred Gear system, but I am inferring it based on the reasons you mentioned.

Sure.

And what does this even matter? I’m trying to understand. The mythological worlds are in separate dimensions with their own flow of time and celestial bodies.

I’m recalling Nasuverse Earth which has different textures/layers/dimensions and it doesn’t seem to…particularly matter? I’m just trying to see why this is important.

Idk man, I'm not the one who brought it up in the first place, I was just trying to explain to the other guy.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Hmm, it would have been nice if Ishibumi had a Q&A platform like the author of Bleach.

Although the wiki doesn’t take much liking to asking powerscaling questions, we could at least have asked worldbuilding questions and other random things. :/

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Hmm, it would have been nice if Ishibumi had a Q&A platform like the author of Bleach.

Although the wiki doesn’t take much liking to asking powerscaling questions, we could at least have asked worldbuilding questions and other random things. :/

If they did it like Kubo where it's just world building stuff with an occasional fact of chars here and there, it'd work.

If it's just powerscaling questions though, yeah that would be a no even for me there.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

If they did it like Kubo where it's just world building stuff with an occasional fact of chars here and there, it'd work.

If it's just powerscaling questions though, yeah that would be a no even for me there.

Don’t think Ishibumi ever really responded to powerscaling questions back when he would sometimes reply on twitter.

I love how Kubo hardly even gives a **** lol. He responds to the most mundane things ever and skips any powerscaling comparison between his characters.

Edit: Oh, the wiki is censored lol. First time experiencing this.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Anyway, I don’t think there’s any argument for the Dimensional Gap being 2-A? At most, we can treat it similarly to the current treatment for the Garganta.

What’s the current argument for the mythology dimensions being tier 2? We need to see the raws for Heaven’s size.

Edit: @MasqueTLDF, chap numbers are also needed for the references.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

As said in my CRT (that probably is still open rn but whatever), I got the physiology pages for Angels, Devils, and Dragons posted up. Still no scans, but I have seen a few verse-specific power pages that don't even bother to at least put up citations like the Devil Fruits and Haki pages for One Piece. There's also some others that either have some scans or otherwise like this page of Kingdom Hearts or this page for Hunter x Hunter that just doesn't have either or.

So by comparison, they should be fairly alright as they are rn.

With that out of the way, indexing for the updated DxD profiles related to them will be pretty easy to format and organize them.

What should the next thing be from here?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

What should the next thing be from here?

We can put the new plateau calc from @TotalMasterInfinity (it’s in previous pages) for evaluation in a blog. That could be relevant for the higher tiers powerscaling. Issei also vaporized that with half power Infinity Blaster, so should scale to 2x the value.

As far as the cosmology goes, I’m fine with going with low end of 4-A for Draconic Deus based on the mythology dimensions having stars. Masque seems to think tier 2 but idk. Also, the Dimensional Gap itself is still up in the air but I think we could just treat it like Garganta.

The god tiers scaling might depend on whatever is agreed for the cosmology. It depends on the stabilization of the Dimensional Gap to stabilize the worlds and keep them from collapsing and whether that scales. It’s technically allowed with the wiki’s current standards but it would depend on what staff say and general consensus.

The Maou tier can also be discussed. As for characters that scale to Issei’s Balance Breaker, Masque put some evidence that the Gremory territory mountains are around Fuji size, which would upgrade BxB Issei to tier 6.

That’s about all I remember regarding stats suggestions. Most abilities are in previous pages. We could compile all of them and make another CRT to include them, I guess.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

We can put the new plateau calc from @TotalMasterInfinity (it’s in previous pages) for evaluation in a blog. That could be relevant for the higher tiers powerscaling. Issei also vaporized that with half power Infinity Blaster, so should scale to 2x the value.

As far as the cosmology goes, I’m fine with going with low end of 4-A for Draconic Deus based on the mythology dimensions having stars. Masque seems to think tier 2 but idk. Also, the Dimensional Gap itself is still up in the air but I think we could just treat it like Garganta.

The god tiers scaling might depend on whatever is agreed for the cosmology. It depends on the stabilization of the Dimensional Gap to stabilize the worlds and keep them from collapsing and whether that scales. It’s technically allowed with the wiki’s current standards but it would depend on what staff say and general consensus.

The Maou tier can also be discussed. As for characters that scale to Issei’s Balance Breaker, Masque put some evidence that the Gremory territory mountains are around Fuji size, which would upgrade BxB Issei to tier 6.

That’s about all I remember regarding stats suggestions. Most abilities are in previous pages. We could compile all of them and make another CRT to include them, I guess.

That feels like something TotalMaster should do since it's their calc. They copy paste that into a blog, probably clean it up even and have the relevant feat in question on there to show what they're doing as per the standard of calculations, and we can get it onto the evaluation thread and hope it passes.

That way I can even go and update the power of verse part for my verse page draft.

Same on the Dimensional Gap thing. And true on how that scales for the God Tiers.

Maou-Class entities tier, definitely.

I think for some other stuff is having that Boosted Gear blog polished up and finished so it can be put into a CRT to justify the tier jumps. That, or wait some more to get some feats calc'd that could support if not justify the implied multiplier boosts BG gives and how others scale to that.

Other than that, I got nothing else in mind either atm.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Anyway, I don’t think there’s any argument for the Dimensional Gap being 2-A? At most, we can treat it similarly to the current treatment for the Garganta.

If not the Dimensional Gap, the general cosmology is definitely. If we agree that there are multiple, then each is Low 2-C/2-C. If there's one, it's 2-A. My problems with there being multiple are just the statements in BorN, I'm still not sure how 1 Dimensional Gap could be above time but also restricted to 1 timeline.

What’s the current argument for the mythology dimensions being tier 2?

Similar Kanji (世界 which could imply that the correct translation for "Human World" would be "Human Universe" based on context) being used for the human world (which is the universe) and the myth realms, they are called "isekai" which in some instances can refer to parallel universes/dimensions by a knowledgeable character, like the Human World/Universe the myth realms contain stars and nebulae, and one of the myth realms is explicitly called the same size as the Human World/Universe (Not the earth). This alone would make them 3-A, being separate space-times make them Low 2-C.

We need to see the raws for Heaven’s size.

第⼆天は, 暗闇が⽀配する世界. ここは主に星を観測する場所であり罪を犯した天使が幽閉される場所だと聞く.
Essentially the same as the Fan TL but with the absence of the "endless" statement, although the same kanji uses to refer to "world" (世界) like in the context of the underworld and human world is used here and the kanji can either be translated to mean Universe, World, or Society. We've just been assuming that the correct one was "world" although that's never necessarily the case and there's more evidence for the kanji meaning "universe" in this context. (Although, I'm not an expert on the language lol)

Edit: @MasqueTLDF, chap numbers are also needed for the references.

I'll get to that.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

MasqueTLDF/Sandbox High School DxD Cosmology

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@MasqueTLDF

I adjusted the format and added a Conclusion part. That's where you briefly explain the tier and the reasoning. I believe 4-A size is clear enough, so the other things to be explained:

• where possibly High 3-A Earth comes from
• proper reasoning for Low 2-C mythological dimensions
• explaining the Dimensional Gap and we can add to the Conclusion part why it can be assigned a rating, like the wiki gives to Subspace (Tensura) and Garganta (Bleach), both of which are voids that connect and exist between the worlds

Then, I disagree with the possibility thing you put for Telos Karma.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

MasqueTLDF/Sandbox High School DxD Cosmology

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@MasqueTLDF

I adjusted the format and added a Conclusion part. That's where you briefly explain the tier and the reasoning. I believe 4-A size is clear enough, so the other things to be explained:

• where possibly High 3-A Earth comes from
• proper reasoning for Low 2-C mythological dimensions
• explaining the Dimensional Gap and we can add to the Conclusion part why it can be assigned a rating, like the wiki gives to Subspace (Tensura) and Garganta (Bleach), both of which are voids that connect and exist between the worlds

Sure

Then, I disagree with the possibility thing you put for Telos Karma.

How so? I think it's an interesting discussion to be had.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Sure

How so? I think it's an interesting discussion to be had.

Forgot to change the description of Chinese Mythology. Celtic is the same as Irish, no?

Think it's a stretch but well anyway, the timeline stuff isn't really relevant atp. Innovate Clear is also not relevant to the alternate timelines section. Then, the Rating Game falls in the same Dimension Lost which we agreed to remove. Not really relevant to the cosmology.

 

[BlackeJan]

….Aika needs to be seen more often

 

[BlackeJan]

Imma be real here but if I was in the DxD universe, the only girl I would want is either Lint or Aika. I honestly think they are better then the other cast

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

I think someone asked me to do this

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Forgot to change the description of Chinese Mythology. Celtic is the same as Irish, no?

Not sure, in real life, sure. The ORC TL differentiates (although there translations are inconsistent) but I'm not sure about about the original text, we could get rid of one if you'd like.

Think it's a stretch but well anyway, the timeline stuff isn't really relevant atp. Innovate Clear is also not relevant to the alternate timelines section. Then, the Rating Game falls in the same Dimension Lost which we agreed to remove. Not really relevant to the cosmology.

Ig, it doesn't really affect the character tiers but it's still part of the cosmology. It's relevant to Telos Karma which is. Sure, I agree, Rating Game fields disappear anyway.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Imma be real here but if I was in the DxD universe, the only girl I would want is either Lint or Aika. I honestly think they are better then the other cast

I like Gasper, Raynare, Roygun, Shigune, Elmenhilde, and Ophis.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I think someone asked me to do this

Where's the calc evaluation thread again? It should be posted there for evaluation.

Not sure, in real life, sure. The ORC TL differentiates (although there translations are inconsistent) but I'm not sure about about the original text, we could get rid of one if you'd like.

Ig, it doesn't really affect the character tiers but it's still part of the cosmology. It's relevant to Telos Karma which is. Sure, I agree, Rating Game fields disappear anyway.

I do think they're meant to be the same, yeah.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Where's the calc evaluation thread again? It should be posted there for evaluation.

On here, where @TotalMasterInfinity already got to it.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

On the topic of chicks in DxD:

Asia, Ophis, Koneko, Ravel, Kuroka, and Yasaka.

Blondes, Cats and Birds, Foxes. And all around set owo.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

On the topic of chicks in DxD:

Asia, Ophis, Koneko, Ravel, Kuroka, and Yasaka.

Blondes, Cats and Birds, Foxes. And all around set owo.

Ophis is my favorite blonde -.-

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Ophis is my favorite blonde -.-

Best part is since Ophis can shapeshift, she actually CAN be blonde if you wanted her to...or if she can be tempted to lol

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

That aside, it's been a while since this thread had any normal talks of the series itself and not just pure powerscaling talk so I got a topic based on an idea that was brought up:

The Denpachi Remake...or a potential remake of Denpachi.

I can imagine that as the one with the guy said to be "Issei's antithesis" and someone that's supposed to be "gloomy and dark", his story would be the one just outright serious with possibly the least amount of ecchi/fanservice compared to Issei and Tobio's adventures.

It would also be cool to introduce any supposed "members" of CrossXKiss and what their deal is in relation.

Also the fact Mitsuya's the oldest MC protag that we know that Ishibumi created before Tobio and Issei would be interesting on what sort of twist he can do to bring a new spin on the "Ishibumi protags" belonging to one shared universe of DxD.

It's just too bad he's focused more on S/D Remake and Shin DxD (though not a bad one to still do, especially for Shin). If that's one of his ideas he had planned for, I would have loved for that to be a thing just so we can get proper char art of Mitsuya, that one girl he's often with Shirino Shizuka, and anyone else from their "erased group". Oh, and at least give us an idea of where he got Innovate Clear from as we know he managed to get Telos Karma from the current Ouryuu's sister/cousin(?) but no IC.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Best part is since Ophis can shapeshift, she actually CAN be blonde if you wanted her to...or if she can be tempted to lol

Speaking of Ophis shapeshifting, I just finished rereading V21. This quote in particular stood out to me.
“If the techniques that Rizevim sent over are deciphered, the time required to break
through the Dimensional Gap…going by the calculations of former Governor Azazel and
my Beelzebub side, it would be — approximately thirty years from now. At that time, the
messengers from [the other world] will arrive here.”
The techniques being
“—Rizevim has sent the transportation techniques of the various factions over to that side.
On top of Agreas, which has been returned, residual traces of several transfers have been
found.”
“I see, rather than objects, information has been transferred over to that side. Of all things,
it had to be information about teleportation. If that side is able to decipher it, they’ll be able
to bypass Great Red, and come straight to us. That incarnation of terrorism left behind a
diversity of malice before he died. At this point, I can only express my amazement at him.”
This would confirm @Burning_Full_Fingers' line of thinking. Although, I'm interested in the space between Dimensional Gaps and how a timeline could contain one.
Edit: Edited the cosmology page, I believe this version would be more acceptable? And wouldn't the underworld have Ki as well as Kuroka could use Senjutsu there in Volume 5. Senjutsu being the manipulation of nature's Ki rather than one's own to manipulate rocks, plants, and animals.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Hax Layer Evaluation Thread

The purpose of this thread is to evaluate which verses do and do not qualify for layered hax under the newly codified standards, much like Glass did for type 5 acausality not too long ago. Given the massive amount of ground that needs to be covered, this will be a somewhat disorganized thread...

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Oh yeah, almost forgot this is a thing.

The things @TotalMasterInfinity for any layered haxes/resistances will be good to post on here.

Though IDK if it's a good idea to post them there yet since we're still pretty early on getting the profiles revised or getting there.

Just to leave this here in case anyone has any hax and resistance instances that could still be layered.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Hax Layer Evaluation Thread

The purpose of this thread is to evaluate which verses do and do not qualify for layered hax under the newly codified standards, much like Glass did for type 5 acausality not too long ago. Given the massive amount of ground that needs to be covered, this will be a somewhat disorganized thread...

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Oh yeah, almost forgot this is a thing.

The things @TotalMasterInfinity for any layered haxes/resistances will be good to post on here.

Though IDK if it's a good idea to post them there yet since we're still pretty early on getting the profiles revised or getting there.

Just to leave this here in case anyone has any hax and resistance instances that could still be layered.

Aeon Balor may have 2x Layered Timestop. In the anime, (specifically New Ep 11 or 12) Gasper could stop time while time was already stopped. And as the timelines diverged only a few hours at most before the start of Volume 1 (When Issei is still at school), that capability of FBV isn't exclusive to the anime as their evolution patterns were inevitably decided thousands of years before the divergence occurred, meaning that LN FBV should be capable of the same. And Aeon Balor is capable of stopping time for those who previously resisted it like Grayfia. Scans in case anyone would like to share this to that thread. (As I'm pretty busy)