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(GRACE) Fight between Edgy Time Stoppers

Theuser789 said:
Chaos Control is the teleportation, but you can see it in his first encounter with Sonic in SA2, his game's opening, 06 intro, and his fight against Infinite in Forces
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And all his boss fights in SA2, Heroes, and Generations. Pretty sure in Chronicles his basic attack is teleporting to the opponent and attacking them too.
 
manu_zarri said:
i meant the teleportation.

also, for what i remember shadow dosen't literally use it in 0 seconds

Btw not sure if it was EE because it leaved HA Dio corp, and HA Dio EE totally errase infinite if not uncontable infinite valentine (because, if we consider that he errased every valentine, and valentine didn't returned, valentine could also transfeal in his past or future himself, and affecting uncontable infinite of them from each universes that are infinite, means they was uncontable, and as said in rtz theard, hax that affect just portion of time are 4D)
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That is just 3D EE with 2-A Range. Still not 4D
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
That is just 3D EE with 2-A Range. Still not 4D
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ok so

Low 2-C = Uncontable Infinite "snapshot"

Valentine = "Snapshot" (not really case but whatever, it is kinda)

HA Dio errased all valentines, meaning probably from whole time, preventing his trasfeal

the verse is a infinite multiverses

Infinite amounts of Uncontable Infinite/0, at peak 1 = Infinite amounts of Uncontable Infinite

this is kinda 2-A if you ask.

btw, the thing jotaro used wasn't EE.
 
So like

are we just going to forget that Jotaro's RO is essentially like Post-Absorb HA DIO's RO, whose RO is thought-based?
 
thetechmaster36 said:
that'll make it worse not better
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what are you talking about? HA Dio literally starts with though based and other ridicolous amount of haxes, he dosen't even use AP pretty much. and he dosen't think when he fight serious, he just do Soul Hax gg or whatever
 
Y’all talking like Jotaro never used his best moves in character right off the bat against his opponents lol. He simply didn’t because Dio’s RO would counter his, so why he wouldn’t use RO against a guy who’s not HA DIO?
 
StrymULTRA said:
Y’all talking like Jotaro never used his best moves in character right off the bat against his opponents lol. He simply didn’t because Dio’s RO would counter his, so why he wouldn’t use RO against a guy who’s not HA DIO?
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Did he ever started with it in character? If not, then he won't start with it in this battle too. Also show scans if he does

Regardless, what does RO do?
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Did he ever started with it in character? If not, then he won't start with it in this battle too. Also show scans if he does
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Is literally how he fights in the manga, he uses the best things he has against the opponent. And this Jotaro is basically the canon one only that has this boost.
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Regardless, what does RO do?
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Check both his and Heaven Ascension DIO profile.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Is literally how he fights in the manga, he uses the best things he has against the opponent. And this Jotaro is basically the canon one only that has this boost.

Check both his and Heaven Ascension DIO profile.
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Again, you have examples for this? Like did he started with it against someone?
 
Oh god this blew up. I was just gonna say that maybe Shadow could time stop Jotaro. Basically because the current standards are whack
 
StrymULTRA said:
Jotaro’s mindset and the context of the battle are enough, and you’re blatantly ignoring both because dunno
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What context? He has no knowledge on Shadow and even with this mindset, you still failed to show an example. Was there a battle he started with it after he got this ability? Show me an example of it
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
What context?
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Reason why he didn’t use the RO against DIO.
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
He has no knowledge on Shadow and even with this mindset, you still failed to show an example. Was there a battle he started with it after he got this ability? Show me an example of it
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He’d use it due of it literally being his best ability and not having any restriction like he was against DIO, against DIO he had a reason to not use it, against Shadow he doesent instead.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Reason why he didn’t use the RO against DIO.

He’d use it due of it literally being his best ability and not having any restriction like he was against DIO, against DIO he had a reason to not use it, against Shadow he doesent instead.
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Ok. But why aren't you showing an example? Is it because there isn't any and you just won't admit it?
 
Ok I think both Shadow’s and Jotaro’s time stop both work against each other now. If Jotaro wins due to time stop then the match can’t be added. (This does kinda confuse me on how we treat time stops that bypass infinite speed in-verse)
 
Why are we assuming Jotaro doesn't use RO in-character?
I have no interest who wins this match, nor do I really care, only posting because I was asked to, but saying that Jotaro wouldn't use RO is baffling to me? I hope you realize that saying a character wont use a power he had for literally, and I mean literally, 30 seconds, isn't exactly the best argument right?

Jotaro only truly obtained RO after the fight, he fought HA Dio, got his stomach blown out, learned RO and healed, DIO tried to kill him before it was to late, Jotaro lost, Dio got paradoxed, and then was killed. He proceeds to lose that power seemingly.

If we're using a Jotaro who has RO in this match, we have no reason to assume he wouldn't use it and him literally never getting the chance to isn't exactly the best reason to say why he wouldn't when he knows he has it, knows what it can do, and Jotaro is savvy as **** in EOH.
If I had to compare, this would be like saying Part 3 Jotaro wouldn't use time stop in character because he doesn't use it all the time, but that leaves out the context of he learned it at the end of the fight and killed his foe right after and thus never got a chance to use it afterward againt a foe, because he never got into a fight again (till Part 4, I'm speaking hypothetically here).

Be real people, if you don't want to use Jotaro with RO, then simply dont use this key in a match, besides that, idc what you do but be reasonable. Context is key people, don't forget it.

Edit: And I should clarify, Jotaro actually did use RO after that, though it was mostly to undo everything.
 
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Greenshifter said:
Ok I think both Shadow’s and Jotaro’s time stop both work against each other now. If Jotaro wins due to time stop then the match can’t be added. (This does kinda confuse me on how we treat time stops that bypass infinite speed in-verse)
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Nah Time Stop isn't his only win-con, he also has Reality Overwrite
 
Greenshifter said:
Ok I think both Shadow’s and Jotaro’s time stop both work against each other now. If Jotaro wins due to time stop then the match can’t be added. (This does kinda confuse me on how we treat time stops that bypass infinite speed in-verse)
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So both have wincons but we don't know who would win.

I vote for incon
 
While time stop, which could be viewed as an infinite speed amplification, is assumed to work even on characters that would usually bypass it via speed, those matches can likewise not be added.
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Rip this match, since Jotaro time stopping is a big part of his character
 
ElixirBlue said:
Can someone summarize the Win conditions for both sides?
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Shadow: Chaos Control time stop apparently, but jotaro can move so AP.

Jotaro: Time Stop but shadow apparently can move so RO

RO is mostly though based and have all hax, so 7 or 8 people voted jotaro


btw it's late for vote
 
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