(GRACE) Fight between Edgy Time Stoppers

[Genericstickman]

punched and overwrited dio's body.

DIO dying never had the visual effect that’s used for RO, the only effect shown seems to just be the souls and Corpse Parts leaving his body

 

[manu_zarri]

DIO dying never had the visual effect that’s used for RO, the only effect shown seems to just be the souls and Corpse Parts leaving his body

it literally broke his body in pierces, unless if you say that Jotaro have regeneration negation (that i don't belive lmao) it's overwrite. that have his effects or not dosen't matter.

| But he did same in canon

he did with his stand, that's different, stand can easily be hurted and destroyed even despite regeneration for the user

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

does it time stop to infinite speed characthers?
also jotaro time stop can do the same btw. the problem is shadow got immeansurable

i mean, in the last part he punched and overwrited dio so

Speed is equal, so it doesn't matter here.

Also, that still doesn't mean he's going to start with it, especially since he doesn't have knowledge on Shadow

 

[Genericstickman]

it literally broke his body in pierces, unless if you say that Jotaro have regeneration negation (that i don't belive lmao) it's overwrite. that have his effects or not dosen't matter.

| But he did same in canon

he did with his stand, that's different, stand can easily be hurted and destroyed even despite regeneration for the user

Honestly I don’t even know how he killed him but visually speaking that wasn’t RO as it would contradict how the ability was visually shown as throughout the game (even in that exact cutscene)

 

[manu_zarri]

Speed is equal, so it doesn't matter here.

Also, that still doesn't mean he's going to start with it, especially since he doesn't have knowledge on Shadow

nah, when he experience his powers he know how to use them, he just need a bit.
also time stop is still in-character

btw, if the whole thing "even if immeansurable speed is equalizzed he still move in time stop" isn't a thing (as i thinked) then what stops jotaro from time stop?

 

[manu_zarri]

Honestly I don’t even know how he killed him but visually speaking that wasn’t RO as it would contradict how the ability was visually shown as throughout the game (even in that exact cutscene)

i mean, it dosen't always need to be like thatl. RO can be but dosen't need to (example when he errased Johnny bullets)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

nah, when he experience his powers he know how to use them, he just need a bit.
also time stop is still in-character

btw, if the whole thing "even if immeansurable speed is equalizzed he still move in time stop" isn't a thing (as i thinked) then what stops jotaro from time stop?

Is it his first move though? Still in character doesn't equal starting with it

Shadow can also stop him in time just as much as Jotaro can time stop as well, but can Jotaro time stop characters that already resist regular Time Stop?

 

[Genericstickman]

i mean, it dosen't always need to be like thatl. RO can be but dosen't need to (example when he errased Johnny bullets)

Actually that also has the visual effect

 

[Theuser789]

btw, if the whole thing "even if immeansurable speed is equalizzed he still move in time stop" isn't a thing (as i thinked) then what stops jotaro from time stop?

The fact that it is a thing, btw I remove my vote

 

[manu_zarri]

Actually that also has the visual effect

not the same

 

[manu_zarri]

The fact that it is a thing, btw I remove my vote

you remove based on?

 

[thetechmaster36]

Still hasn’t used to offensively in-character before

Just because he didn't before doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to in the future. After all, DIO was able to do that; what's stopping Jotaro from being able to do the same, much less to the same degree as DIO?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Did you just forget that Jotaro is basically the guy who wants to end the fight as fast as possible? Also why assuming that he would say that Shadow has RO?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Just because he didn't before doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to in the future. After all, DIO was able to do that; what's stopping Jotaro from being able to do the same, much less to the same degree as DIO?

The fact that he never used it before meanong he won't use it in character, especially not quick enough to counter Shadow's Time Stop

 

[thetechmaster36]

The fact that he never used it before meanong he won't use it in character, especially not quick enough to counter Shadow's Time Stop

RO is thought based.

 

[manu_zarri]

The fact that he never used it before meanong he won't use it in character, especially not quick enough to counter Shadow's Time Stop

though based and we are assuming it's Jotaro with RO full mastered? i think?

 

[Genericstickman]

not the same

Yup that’s definitely the same effect, weird sucking effect and all

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

RO is thought based.

That's not what I meant. I meant that he won't start with it, which means Shadow will Time Stop him first before Jotaro would think to use it, especially if he never used it before

 

[Genericstickman]

Just because he didn't before doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to in the future. After all, DIO was able to do that; what's stopping Jotaro from being able to do the same, much less to the same degree as DIO?

With that logic Goku IT someone into a sun would be a valid win condition because it’s not like he wouldn’t do it

 

[manu_zarri]

Yup that’s definitely the same effect, weird sucking effect and all

nope, this is the true effect

 

[StrymULTRA]

That's not what I meant. I meant that he won't start with it, which means Shadow will Time Stop him first before Jotaro would think to use it, especially if he never used it before

Jotaro ending fights asap in character
Not using the strongest attack against opponents he'd assume they lack RO

Pick one

 

[manu_zarri]

That's not what I meant. I meant that he won't start with it, which means Shadow will Time Stop him first before Jotaro would think to use it, especially if he never used it before

he used, since we are supposing jotaro is from the ending basically and knew how to use that

 

[Arceus0x]

JK FRA

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Pick one

I never said the other one. Also Ending fights quickly doesn't mean instantly using an ability he was never shown to start with before

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

he used, since we are supposing jotaro is from the ending basically and knew how to use that

Can you show scans he starts with this ability in a battle? Otherwise your vote is based on headcanon

 

[manu_zarri]

Can you show scans he starts with this ability in a battle? Otherwise your vote is based on headcanon

without counting the gameplay and jotaro that woudln't do nothing (because he couldn't do nothing)

this

 

[TyranoDoom30]

who?

Jotaro

 

[sanicspood]

oh ok

Jotaro

 

[manu_zarri]

Actually no as it’s consistently visually displayed with a black hole effect

no it's screen crush or what is called

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

without counting the gameplay and jotaro that woudln't do nothing (because he couldn't do nothing)

this

How is that thought based? Like at all? Jotaro just casually talks here and fights with DIO for a while there before even using the attack

 

[Genericstickman]

no it's screen crush or what is called

Nope, from when he erased Valentine from existence to when he sucked up Jolyne's soul RO has used the black hole sucking effect
Anyway why are we even talking about this when neither the screen crunch or black hole sucking was used when DIO died which indicates RO wasn’t actually used

 

[manu_zarri]

How is that thought based? Like at all? Jotaro just casually talks here and fights with DIO for a while there before even using the attack

EE or whatever isn't always though based. and he wanted see Dio suffer for a bit.


btw now i don't think shadow becomes instantly omniscient find jotaro time stop do what he need do and resume. it's 4km damm

Nope, from when he erased Valentine from existence to when he sucked up Jolyne's soul RO has used the black hole sucking effect
Anyway why are we even talking about this when neither the screen crunch or black hole sucking was used when DIO died which indicates RO wasn’t actually used

then i gived a proof with ger, can give bunch of others if you want

 

[Theuser789]

Shadow also likes to end fights quickly so I guess he is just teleporting and Chaos Blasting then

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

EE or whatever isn't always though based. and he wanted see Dio suffer for a bit.


btw now i don't think shadow becomes instantly omniscient find jotaro time stop do what he need do and resume. it's 4km damm

Shadow resists EE, and there's nothing in this video that even remotely suggest it's thought based. Shadow can teleport to Jotaro instantly with Chaos Control

 

[manu_zarri]

Shadow resists EE, and there's nothing in this video that even remotely suggest it's thought based. Shadow can teleport to Jotaro instantly with Chaos Control

how much good is the EE? before was Low 2-C, HA Dio EE scales higher afaik

also, proof of it being in-character?

 

[sanicspood]

how much good is the EE? before was Low 2-C, HA Dio EE scales higher afaik

also, proof of it being in-character?

shadow literally always starts with chaos energy shit like chaos control, he literally introduced it being a thing

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

how much good is the EE? before was Low 2-C, HA Dio EE scales higher afaik

also, proof of it being in-character?

Shadow in Base resists EE on a 4D scale since he resisted Time Eater EE-ing a universe.

Shadow uses Chaos Control literally all the time, so it's very in character for him

 

[manu_zarri]

Shadow uses Chaos Control literally all the time, so it's very in character for him

i meant the teleportation.

also, for what i remember shadow dosen't literally use it in 0 seconds

Shadow in Base resists EE on a 4D scale since he resisted Time Eater EE-ing a universe.

Btw not sure if it was EE because it leaved HA Dio corp, and HA Dio EE totally errase infinite if not uncontable infinite valentine (because, if we consider that he errased every valentine, and valentine didn't returned, valentine could also transfeal in his past or future himself, and affecting uncontable infinite of them from each universes that are infinite, means they was uncontable, and as said in rtz theard, hax that affect just portion of time are 4D)

 

[Theuser789]

i meant the teleportation.

Chaos Control is the teleportation, but you can see it in his first encounter with Sonic in SA2, his game's opening, 06 intro, and his fight against Infinite in Forces

 

[manu_zarri]

Chaos Control is the teleportation, but you can see it in his first encounter with Sonic in SA2, his game's opening, 06 intro, and his fight against Infinite in Forces

dosen't he need the emrald tho?

or due to the super form he can also do that because of emeralds stuff and other things?