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(GRACE) Fight between Edgy Time Stoppers

Theuser789 said:
Jotaro's part 3 page about his resistance:

Make a CRT with your Jojo fans to change it then

Nothing in his post-OH key implies otherwise, make a CRT then

This also applies to canon as well, I am arguing with the fact he can't move without using his, which still isn't being proven and contradicts the actual pages
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1) They're the same comparing the profiles

2) Canon DIO resistance to TS is this

Limited Resistance to Time Stop (Can see and think within stopped time, as well as move at the cost of using his own personal nine second limit)

Aka they're separated, he doesn't need his TS to be aware in the other.
Theuser789 said:
I don't care to remove this match anymore, but people are literally arguing things that aren't in this page or that contradict it, he wins via vague ass arguments and a FRA train, and you yourself made arguments in favor of Jotaro winning in the first page, almost making me believe you made this to give Jojo a W, I don't think you did this but that's the feeling I get
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Defending my verse from disinformation is now worth of such accuses? Lol
 
Greenshifter said:
Unless I missed something they don't. The rules changed for speed-based time stop resistance in speed equalized.
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Jotaro himself doesn't resist the Over Heaven TS which bypasses both Infinite Speed and Resistance to baseline TS, that is true
 
StrymULTRA said:
which bypasses both Infinite
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This became irrelevant, see here. As such Jotaro only has a baseline time stop resistance which Shadow bypasses. Meanwhile Shadow's speed also became irrelevant thus he can't resist Jotaro's time stop.

edit: oh right they're both infinite... man these new rules are confusing.
 
StrymULTRA said:
1) They're the same comparing the profiles

2) Canon DIO resistance to TS is this

Limited Resistance to Time Stop (Can see and think within stopped time, as well as move at the cost of using his own personal nine second limit)

Aka they're separated, he doesn't need his TS to be aware in the other.
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As I said, I am arguing that he needs to use his own time stop to move, not to be aware, I don't know how many times I need to repeat this
 
Shadow also isn't immune to time stop even though he is immeasurable in the new rules, however if Jotaro wins because of it (which I STILL don't know about this) this match wouldn't be able to be added as well
 
Imma just assume 3 scenarios since at this point idk anymore how time stop vs infinite speed gets treated on the wiki:

1) infinite speed and time stop resistance come down to the same thing: Jotaro's/Star Platinum's resistance comes down to 1 degree above baseline (I might be wrong here, does DIO's time stop bypass the infinite speed of people with no time stop resistance as well?), Shadow's CH doesn't bypass, but gives Star Platinum finite speed. Shadow's resistance comes down to baseline, Jotaro's time stop bypasses. If this becomes a major element in Jotaro's victory then the match can not be added.

2) Infinite speed is superior to stacked time stops: Jotaro time stops Shadow, Jotaro himself resists. If this becomes a major element in Jotaro's victory then the match can not be added.

3) Infinite speed is inferior to a time stop (I kid you not this is an option): No-one resists either's time stop. If this becomes a major element in Jotaro's victory then the match can not be added.
 
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Schnee_One said:
God did we make the the rules bad again? What did we change?
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It's confusing but this has more to do with how we currently treat infinite speed and don't have inaccessible speed. I'm actually in favor of the new speed equalization standards... cause we finally have standards and should have less headaches.
 
I'm actually doubting if someone currently knows how infinite speed vs time stop is treated on the wiki aside from Ultima and DontTalk, maybe Yuri but I'd disagree with him. Oh and Agnaa also has a chance to know.
 
Greenshifter said:
I'm actually doubting if somehow currently knows how infinite speed vs time stop is treated on the wiki aside from Ultima and DontTalk, maybe Yuri but I'd disagree with him. Oh and Agnaa also has a chance to know.
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Infinite Speed resists TS but from default for a completely different reason than layers of resistance.
 
Funny how people barely can get infinite speed for moving in a time stop anymore then (see Archie Sonic). IIRC Yuri also disagreed with infinite speed giving time stop resistance. If you look at a time stop as a true zero vs infinite speed being a limit infinity then you end up with zero.
 
Infinite speed doesn't resist time stop based on the wikia standards:
While time stop, which could be viewed as an infinite speed amplification, is assumed to work even on characters that would usually bypass it via speed, those matches can likewise not be added.
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That's not what that means User, it means that if you become finite speed via speed equalization then you get affected by time stop even if you would normally resist it via infinite speed or higher. The first part of this quote also implies that time stop resistance and infinite speed come down to the same thing when exposed to a time stop, (unquantifiable (for the latter)) finite speed.

Edit: it might also imply that infinite speed bypasses all layers of time stop btw.
 
So yeah as you've just seen, I've given reasoning for why all 3 cases are plausible based on the current standards. Who's gonna flip a coin?
 
Theuser789 said:
Jotaro's part 3 page about his resistance:
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I bet that you didn't open a single link that i gived

"(Can see and think within stopped time as well as move at the cost of using his own personal five second limit)"
it's refered to Jotaro resistance, that's the main point of jotaro win in stardust crusader
 
Actually a small note to make things even more confusing, in scenario 1 Star Platinum will get finite speed if Shadow gets his time stop off. So he’ll get blitzed.
 
manu_zarri said:
I bet that you didn't open a single link that i gived

"(Can see and think within stopped time as well as move at the cost of using his own personal five second limit)"
it's refered to Jotaro resistance, that's the main point of jotaro win in stardust crusader
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I did, they only support the description of the resistance in his current page
 
Greenshifter said:
Imma just assume 3 scenarios since at this point idk anymore how time stop vs infinite speed gets treated on the wiki:

1) infinite speed and time stop resistance come down to the same thing: Jotaro's/Star Platinum's resistance comes down to 1 degree above baseline (I might be wrong here, does DIO's time stop bypass the infinite speed of people with no time stop resistance as well?), Shadow's CH doesn't bypass, but gives Star Platinum finite speed. Shadow's resistance comes down to baseline, Jotaro's time stop bypasses. If this becomes a major element in Jotaro's victory then the match can not be added.

2) Infinite speed is superior to stacked time stops: Jotaro time stops Shadow, Jotaro himself resists. If this becomes a major element in Jotaro's victory then the match can not be added.

3) Infinite speed is inferior to a time stop (I kid you not this is an option): No-one resists either's time stop. If this becomes a major element in Jotaro's victory then the match can not be added.
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Ok only the first scenario is true.

Time Stop and Infinite speed according to the wiki move "Instantly". (refering to the versus theard rules page)

also the second is true because Jotaro Infinite speed is way faster than baseline

but Shadow resist time stop, right?
 
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