- 7,328
- 13,304
That's it?
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Gilgamesh (f/sn) downgrade
- Thread starter BasedNecoScaler69
- Start date
- Status
KingNanaya
He/Him- 2,658
- 3,687
it's a tiny bit more than that
- 667
- 408
On top of numerous other statements through out all of Fate series Gil shows up in. Avalon is in the core of the planet. So destroying the Earth does require destroying Avalon.
- 40,669
- 35,221
Considering Enkidu popped his own Enuma right after(And is an excellent source on that kinda stuff) there wasn't much chance lol
Otherwise, what everyone else has said
- 7,328
- 13,304
Okay. Can you share that with me?
Right but does "destroy the world" mean "destroy the planet earth?"
- 12,798
- 3,918
Here, both VERY obvious statements regarding EA's power. In the same manga he was going to destroy a Reality Marble that was a replica of Earth.
I don't know why Marshallow is trying to argue only Stay Night feats count because of the page name, the page name is only there in the first place because it's where these things originate. We count everything for the pages. Please stop making these threads, you've cluttered the wiki so badly with these that it's starting to get extremely tiring.
- 162
- 100
These are the reasons listed on the Ea page
I am also unsure as to why Gilgamesh killing Tiamat as listed for the CCC key as far as I remember, Gilgamesh didn't get any special buffs to get access to full power EA
Which is weirdly enough a bit different from the Gilgamesh page
I am also unsure as to why Gilgamesh killing Tiamat as listed for the CCC key as far as I remember, Gilgamesh didn't get any special buffs to get access to full power EA
- 40,669
- 35,221
Marshmallow?
Here, both VERY obvious statements regarding EA's power. In the same manga he was going to destroy a Reality Marble that was a replica of Earth.
I don't know why Marshallow is trying to argue only Stay Night feats count because of the page name, the page name is only there in the first place because it's where these things originate. We count everything for the pages. Please stop making these threads, you've cluttered the wiki so badly with these that it's starting to get extremely tiring.
- 162
- 100
I also have one question while we're here, why would Ea be considered a Mesopotamian artifact and therefore limited to the Mesopotamian texture?
To my knowledge Gilgamesh only found the sword and called it Ea, same goes for the attack Enuma Ellish.
To my knowledge Gilgamesh only found the sword and called it Ea, same goes for the attack Enuma Ellish.
- 7,328
- 13,304
Do we consider that replica as also imitating Avalon?
- 5,944
- 2,959
@Marshadow29 pretty sure he confused the name since he didn't use the tag function.
- 162
- 100
The dude who made the thread.
- 40,669
- 35,221
I was making fun of the misspell lmfao
- 12,798
- 3,918
Even if it was a Mesopotamian artifact, we know that shit with high levels of Divinity don't really get limited to their own textures anyway. Someone like Zeus shapes the world itself by existing, and several Gods have anti-planet attacks. Zeus even has Anti-Solar System attacks, which are definetly not talking about just the Greek texture considering even his casual bolts in much weaker forms could incinerate the entire thing anyway lol.
- 162
- 100
Yeah that's true, I was just wondering if we could even base it on being Mythology limited. Which if no, then I don't see a lot of texture only stuff making sense due it not having an origin that would limit it to that texture.
It wouldn't be much different from limiting Excalibur to the Arthurian (or is it Celtic?) texture.
- 702
- 73
yes but the op said:"Destroying the world can mean you destroy the earth’s reality marble/texture, which is only low 2-c.
Textures only make up the surface of the planet."
- 4,097
- 1,360
No as far as I am aware.
- 40,669
- 35,221
Which is explicitly... not the case for Ea.
- 162
- 100
Think it only mirrors Servant related things and Artoria didn't have Avalon
- 19,467
- 3,906
Even if this downgrsde went through it would still be Low 2-CI agree, downgraded to 5-B. Why is a finite planet with 6 dimensions, LMAO
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #222
contradicted by tiamat existing
Here, both VERY obvious statements regarding EA's power. In the same manga he was going to destroy a Reality Marble that was a replica of Earth.
I don't know why Marshallow is trying to argue only Stay Night feats count because of the page name, the page name is only there in the first place because it's where these things originate. We count everything for the pages. Please stop making these threads, you've cluttered the wiki so badly with these that it's starting to get extremely tiring.
world =Mesopotamian texture.
textures are obviously not 1-c
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #223
Ea is explicitly blocked by avalon. People are saying " its retconned" but give no reason as to how it contradicts the current lore.
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #224
If you read the thread, thats not what i was saying at all. All i said was that Ea got blocked by avalon, and should not scale to/above it like it does current;y
Here, both VERY obvious statements regarding EA's power. In the same manga he was going to destroy a Reality Marble that was a replica of Earth.
I don't know why Marshallow is trying to argue only Stay Night feats count because of the page name, the page name is only there in the first place because it's where these things originate. We count everything for the pages. Please stop making these threads, you've cluttered the wiki so badly with these that it's starting to get extremely tiring.
- 4,097
- 1,360
It was only on the NP, not the land itself anyway although I like to note Avalon has multiple statements, not just the one posted by @Small_Ophion (IIRC).
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #226
Ignoring the fact that the reality marble/mirror could just be the size of the earth without any layers,and that Akhilleus Kosmos is rated as unknown by itself, yea thats it yea thats it
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #227
the np itself is a link to the land right? not really a huge difference
- 667
- 408
Once again, false. This has been provided numerous times, you just elect to ignore it.
You seem to be ignoring the part where it is also said numerous times that Ea can destroy the world.
The texture contains the sun, stars, the rest of the universe etc. Avalon is also connected to the planet being it's core and all . Even beyond that, Ea is blatantly said to be able to DESTROY the modern world.
You actually said it multiple times. Which btw, Ea's page has been renamed to Ea (Fate) since it seems to have bothered you so much.
Yeah, that's it if you ignore everything else that has been provided.
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #229
all that was given was that fgo was made several years after f/sn, and its nasu's nature to contradict things. I have not seen yet 1 contradiction, if i missed something, send it here
You seem to be ignoring the part where i showed that different mythologies, can have different worlds
The world has many different meanings in typemoon works.
Which is why its 2-c, unless you want to say that all Aristoteles are actually part of the earth. The modern world is only 1 layer of the earth.
- 162
- 100
We seem to be going around in circles with Marshadow at this point.
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #231
circles because even though im showing many sources of evidence that the "world" can mean several different things depending on the context, none of you will budge
- 4,097
- 1,360
Do keep in mind that is from a material book that explicitly pointed out Ea at its fullest output can not normally been defended against unless you have something equal to that of anti purging or a attack that is on the same scale as Ea itself and that is after F/SF, Fate/Zero, and so on.
Also I don’t know why we automatically assume it will destroy Avalon in its entirety, but regardless, I getting tired of having to go through the statements from every available source on this topic alone.
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #233
I'm kind of confused on where you're getting at, tbh i dont see what purge or anti purge has to dow ith anything here
yea its kinda weird, especially since the wiki likes to use the low end of feats to be on the safer side.
- 702
- 73
Why?
- 40,669
- 35,221
Ea is not Mesopotamian-bound, even by the OP's arguments, Ea extends to ALL mythologies since we don't know precisely where it's from to my knowledge.
Adding that along with the fact that Ea gets a new world or planet destruction statement every game/guidebook it's in(and occasionally gets them from shit like Strange Fake), makes the singular feat in the first work of fate overshadowed and unusable due to Nasu's added statement of retconning shit in regards to power- basically, WoG and Statements kill this thread.
Avalon being in the planet's core kind of means Ea extends to that too, if you destroyed a planet destroying it's core too is a baseline assumption until proven otherwise
- 4,097
- 1,360
Also considering how F/SN haven’t gotten a remake, we have to see how that goes.
- 40,669
- 35,221
TBH I kind of hope it does, with the Tsukihime remake it definitely gave hope to the older works to get a fresh start
- 4,097
- 1,360
If Avalon is shown to once again block Ea at its full power, then it effectively make the statement made in a FGO material pretty much valid all things considered.
Also, the only reason Avalon is even 6D is thanks to one of the multiple statements that was posted after F/SN.
Hell, even the one Fate Zero mat has a statement about Avalon (NP).
- 40,669
- 35,221
Yeah, honestly if we get more context as to the why and how that'd be great, I just love enough context being there so we don't have to make assumptions
- 3,346
- 1,902
- Thread starter
- #240
Ea is a real Mesopotamian god, and its three sections represent heaven, the earth ( where humans are), and the underworld.
Enki - Wikipedia
- Status
