Gigantic Animal Man Revision

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can apply the accepted new abilities, but not the debunked 1-A statistics.

I would appreciate if we wrap up and close this discussion.

 

[PsychoWarper]

So what ever became of his Plot Based hax and more smurfy abilities?

(I dont really remember what was decided about that part of the Morrison run since its been awhile)

 

[Yobo_Blue]

You can apply the accepted new abilities, but not the debunked 1-A statistics.

I would appreciate if we wrap up and close this discussion.

They haven't been debunked. POM sounded like he was open to them, and Ultima and Promenstein agreed from my understanding.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So what ever became of his Plot Based hax and more smurfy abilities?

(I dont really remember what was decided about that part of the Morrison run since its been awhile)

It's agreed that those are still there, just that he doesn't have 1-A ap, at least from what I gathered from Sandman

 

[Yobo_Blue]

@Ant

It's better to wait and see what the other staff I messaged think about this revision before deciding anything.

 

[PsychoWarper]

So what ever became of his Plot Based hax and more smurfy abilities?

(I dont really remember what was decided about that part of the Morrison run since its been awhile)

It's agreed that those are still there, just that he doesn't have 1-A ap, at least from what I gathered from Sandman

Ah ok, that makes sense.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Sandman31 is correct about that we usually require far more definitive proof of a nature that is qualitatively superior to all degrees of dimensions of space and time before assigning the tier.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, 1-A is extremely unlikely to be accepted, and this has been dragged out for far too long already. Please just apply what we accepted, so I can close this. Thank you.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I would like to point out it was you who said to contact other members. Not only that, but we haven't decided what statistics to use instead of 1-A even assuming it is debunked.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that is a good point. I am in an exhausted, overworked, and annoyed mood, and am tired of this topic.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I am with Sandman on that a lot of the metatextual stuff isn't meant to be taken literarally.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also, I think it should be made clear that Animal Man does not display the level of power he did on the Antagon story across his whole run.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the input.

So is somebody willing to apply the accepted changes here?

In addition, we need to decide if we should assign a tier or unknown statistics.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Iirc Yobo has been working on the changes but he is currently asleep afaik and hes been a bit busy.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Noted.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So, what should it be.

"Unknown via Red Manipulation"?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I think it was stated to be "Unknown, possibly 1-B earlier"

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Unknown, 1-B at his peak?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Also, I think it should be made clear that Animal Man does not display the level of power he did on the Antagon story across his whole run.

While it's not shown again, not much of the remaining 40 issues have any combat, so it's hard to call it a outlier either

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What are his best physical feats?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

9-B. And he doesn't show much of those either. There's a clear difference made between his spiritual and physical powers though. Hence why Anansa called him the gate to the spiritual axiom

 

[Yobo_Blue]

After the Antagon arc, really, it's more of religious movement comic.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I am with Sandman on that a lot of the metatextual stuff isn't meant to be taken literarally.

I don't think that's exactly what he meant Matt.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It was more that what is given isn't enough and is only 1-B.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody ask Sandman31 and PrinceOfTheMorning to comment here again?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

9-B Physically. Varies, from Low 2-C to 1-B with his Powers at his Peak.

Low 2-C for creating a universe.

1-B for the whole shenanigans.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I also disagree with some of the more absurd power interpretations. Such as reading leaving the panel as "Pulling Overman into the Overmonitor" and stuff like that. A lot of the Acausality, Plot Manipulation and Immortality isn't something that applies to him naturally.

To writ:

• This is just a commentary on how superheroes, as fictional entities, will inevitably outlive their creators and exist as long as their stories are read. An idea Morrison has stated over and over.
• Most of the stuff about how characters aren't killed even after Crises and Retcons happen are the same thing. An idea Morrison also explored through his concept of Hypertime. See here and here.
• This is just a tongue and cheek comment about comicbook as a medium, and how comicbook characters never really age even as decades pass in real life
• This isn't really existence erasure
• Also his weakness isn't really an weakness and more a commentary about how fictional characters don't really have free will because stories are predetermined by their writers.
• Also throwing someone out of the panel isn't 1-A BFR for obvious reasons lol

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Matt

 

[Antvasima]

I also agree with Matthew.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Imma wait to see how Yobo retorts.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Unfortunately, I may not be able to respond for a bit.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Matthew's conclusions can probably be applied.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Honestly, the way things have stagnated, its better to just put this on hiatus or close it for now

 

[Antvasima]

Not yet. Again, Matthew's conclusions should be fine.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Not yet. Again, Matthew's conclusions should be fine.

The issue is, he is the only one who disagrees with the majority of the stuff, the thread is nearly full, and I have several issues with this conclusion, and am unable to write a lengthy response due to my circumstances. If you still want us to continue thats fine but we'll have to make a new thread either way, so it's better to leave it be for some time.

 

[Antvasima]

Me and Medeus agree with Matthew, but you can ask Sandman31 and PrinceOfTheMorning to comment here again if you wish.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Well, could it at least wait until I can write a actual response?