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I agree with this but I am iffy about Matts point on the Plot Hax, BFR and Acausality. DC is an extremely Meta Verse that is known to be so to the point that we even have a rule about DC being allowed to be Meta iirc, so I would like to see Yobos response once he has the time IRL.Matthew Schroeder said:9-B Physically. Varies, from Low 2-C to 1-B with his Powers at his Peak.
Low 2-C for creating a universe.
1-B for the whole shenanigans.
I don't believe that's what glassman said....Antvasima said:I also think that what Matthew accepted can be applied.
We're still in the middle of this.Malomtek said:I can add in the current accepted revisions, once someone tells me what they are and what are their justifications.
Not really. In the same issue of the comic, the definition is stated to be more or less that of what it is now, and in the same interview we use to justify the Writer's tier (which explains that a major part of that comes from Animal Man I may add) is exactly that. The OvervoidMatthew Schroeder said:The Overvoid being such was only defined decades after Animal Man, which is nowhere near as foundational as you claim it is, and in fact you just have to look at any comic with Animal Man that does not involve metafictional stuff. These aren't real powers, just metaphors.
Except it's not a visual gag, it's a actual ability used with actual consequences in the story. Furthermore, the immortalities are barely visual, much less gags in the first place. Writing things off as gags would be one thing in a rule of funny cartoon, but this is pretty clearly not a gag.Matthew Schroeder said:That's not remotely my point, my point is that a visual gag / visual metaphor isn't a legitimate superpower. Specially not 1-A Immortality / Concept stuff like it's being implied.
Ant, would it be possible for you to at least explain why you agree with Matt?Antvasima said:I think that Matthew makes sense.
You should ask the following members for further input here:
Kepekley23, Crimson Azoth, Eficiente, Qawsedf234, PrinceOfTheMorning, Ultima Reality, SuperAPM.
The issue with that logic is that WoG says the same definition is in effect, the same definition for other things like limbo is used, and various parts of Animal Man are in Final Crisis as well, so that point is non-unique,Antvasima said:The Writer drawing the multiverse on Monitor-Mind was a part of the Final Crisis storyline.
For EE, it was Animal Man making Overman disappear by making the panel he was in disappear. I wouldn't say it's necessarily 1-A EEPrinceOfTheMorning said:The first few points in that list make sense. Regarding existence erasure, I don't know either way without further context. Was it EE or BFR? Idk. And as for the last point, I'm not really sure what 1-A BFR even is tbh.
It's hard for me to give any real input here because the last several comments are talking about meta abilities in general, rather than specific abilities that Animal Man should/shouldn't have.