Garou (OPM) vs Eida (Boruto)

[Wesker018]

although she, being a cyborg, may be immune to Garou's radiation.

Garou doesn´t need to bypass anything, he would accidentally kill her, even if she completely manipulates his mind, she can't get close and has no radiation manipulation to do nothing.

although she, being a cyborg, may be immune to Garou's radiation.

radiation can affect machines, depending on the type and intensity of the radiation (Garou's radiation is absurdly high

if radiation is much faster than Ada's passive ability

Again, you are assuming that if Ada's ability activates first she will win, you are not taking into account that Garou's ability will not be disabled even if she manipulates his mind, he would hurt her even if he tried not to.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

OPM's willpower is a major troll on Garou's profile

Going beyond standard supernatural willpower, in One-Punch Man, having strong willpower grants the user several abilities and resistances as seen below:

• Empathic Manipulation (Fubuki could avoid getting turned into a love slave by Do-s' whip through willpower[10])

 

[Wesker018]

OPM's willpower is a major troll on Garou's profile

And we can add the fact that Garou was able to free himself from God's control simply with willpower. God is a 4D being.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Garou doesn´t need to bypass anything, he would accidentally kill her, even if she completely manipulates his mind, she can't get close and has no radiation manipulation to do nothing.


radiation can affect machines, depending on the type and intensity of the radiation (Garou's radiation is absurdly high


Again, you are assuming that if Ada's ability activates first she will win, you are not taking into account that Garou's ability will not be disabled even if she manipulates his mind, he would hurt her even if he tried not to.

Ada's manipulation is passive, she doesn't need to activate anything, Garou will be her cattle and will kill himself if she tells him to.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

He can't turn off radiation, he didn't even knew that he was emiting radiation until Blats told him

He was trying this when he saw the crying kid there almost on the verge of death, as the Garou's radiation has a very slow effect on humans.

 

[Wesker018]

The fact that he tried doesn't mean anything if it hasn't been proven that he can do it, anyway. In any case, as explained above, willpower in opm is a different concept from conventional use, it gives you abilities and resistances. Garou freed himself from God's control and began to make his own decisions, so God killed him for considering him a traitor. God's abilities come from a higher dimension, so Fubuki breaking free from Do-S's empathic manipulation is still a lesser feat than Garou's.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Garou doesn't even have resistance against empathic manipulation in his profile, so he doesn't resist this, even more passively, which makes him turn into a cattle with his brain completely dominated by Ada, Ada can do what whatever she wants with him and the same goes for Garou, if the radiation is fast enough to affect Ada he wins, if not he becomes her cattle.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Garou doesn't even have resistance against empathic manipulation in his profile, so he doesn't resist this, even more passively, which makes him turn into a cattle with his brain completely dominated by Ada, Ada can do what whatever she wants with him and the same goes for Garou, if the radiation is fast enough to affect Ada he wins, if not he becomes her cattle.

Click on supernatural willpower in Garou profile

 

[Robo432343]

wait wouldn't this be incon

Eida's hax will still work even if she dies

Garou needs proof that he can resist that level of empathic hax

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Click on supernatural willpower in Garou profile

There is still nothing like resistance to empathic manipulation

 

[Wesker018]

yes, there is

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

wait wouldn't this be incon

Eida's hax will still work even if she dies

Garou needs proof that he can resist that level of empathic hax

Yes, she is a cyborg with god-like abilities in Naruto lol

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

yes, there is

Take it from me, there's no evidence for him to resist that, bro.

 

[Robo432343]

its kinda NLF to say Garou can bypass hax that messes you up on an instinctual and unconscious level
so incon..

 

[Wesker018]

How is that nfl

 

[Robo432343]

How is that nfl

because Eida's mind fuckery works on an unconscious and instinctual level, something willpower in OPM hasn't dealt with

 

[Wesker018]

It doesn't matter, it's classified as empathic manipulation and garou has resistance to empathic manipulation, it's that simple. Garou willpower was shown to work even against 4d god-like beings.

 

[Dragonite007]

He was trying this when he saw the crying kid there almost on the verge of death, as the Garou's radiation has a very slow effect on humans.

He didn't tried, the kid was already dead

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It doesn't matter, it's classified as empathic manipulation and garou has resistance to empathic manipulation, it's that simple. Garou willpower was shown to work even against 4d god-like beings.

If so, Ada's abilities will be 4D, since it's the ability of a 4D being that she uses, lol

 

[Wesker018]

If so, Ada's abilities will be 4D, since it's the ability of a 4D being that she uses, lol

Then it wouldn't matter because Garou would still having resistence to it.

 

[Robo432343]

It doesn't matter,

It does matter because you would be getting into NLF territory

Garou willpower was shown to work even against 4d god-like beings.

God in One Punch Man is not accepted to be a 4D being
please make a CRT to get that accepted first or else this argument cannot be used here

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Then it wouldn't matter because Garou would still having resistence to it.

You have to do a crt for this to be accepted, otherwise Ada continues making the Garou her cattle.

 

[Wesker018]

NFL territory? My arguments are simple, empathic manipulation against emapthic resistance.

 

[Robo432343]

NFL territory? My arguments are simple, empathic manipulation against emapthic resistance.

thats like saying someone with normal empathic resistance can resist empathic manip that works on a conceptual and multiversal level

do you really want people to think that you're saying something like this?

 

[Da3ggman]

Bruh what are these arguments for Ada

Battle Starts

Ada passively takes over Garou's mind.

Ada: "Okay, you are now my slav-"

Dies a few seconds later because Garou automatically emits enough radiation to kill her instantly, which he doesn't have control over or knowledge of, so she can't tell him to turn it off.

This is, of course, assuming that her empathetic manipulation works in the first place, which going by the profiles, it won't. The page for OPM's Willpower has a resistance to Empathetic Manipulation listed, and its accepted; unless Ada's is layered or comes from a higher dimension (Neither is listed on her profile), thus he should be able to resist it by our standards.

 

[Wesker018]

thats like saying someone with normal empathic resistance can resist empathic manip that works on a conceptual and multiversal level

do you really want people to think that you're saying something like this?

that's not the case lol, you went to some funny extremes

 

[Robo432343]

that's not the case lol,

it is the case

Eida's empathic fuckery is way more potent than regular empathic stuff hence why i brought up that example

its like saying garou can resist empathic hax on an outerversal and conceptual level, man

im not voting Eida tho, im playing devils advocate

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

because Eida's mind fuckery works on an unconscious and instinctual level, something willpower in OPM hasn't dealt with

This needs to be accepted as 1 layer to work on Garou as it has resistance

 

[Wesker018]

it is the case

Eida's empathic fuckery is way more potent than regular empathic stuff hence why i brought up that example

its like saying garou can resist empathic hax on an outerversal and conceptual level, man

im not voting Eida tho, im playing devils advocate

It's still not cataloged brother, the only way it works is for it to be a layered hax or a higher dimensionality. How the hell are we going to measure which is greater only because the statements used to represent them are different in each verse. This way no debate would ever be concluded.
The thing is simple: one has empathic manipulation and the other has resistance to it.

 

[Robo432343]

This needs to be accepted as 1 layer to work on Garou as it has resistance

i didn't argue layers tho?

im just saying Eida's mind hax>>>>normal mind hax, that doesn't mean im saying its layered

 

[Wesker018]

im just saying Eida's mind hax>>>>normal mind hax, that doesn't mean im saying its layered

What measuring tool are you using to affirm that the ability you are defending which is classified in the same way as Garou's resistance is stronger? The truth is that it doesn't matter, the methodology to measure the superiority of a hax with another equal one is due to their difference in layers, in this case they are equal in layers.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Bruh what are these arguments for Ada

Battle Starts

Ada passively takes over Garou's mind.

Ada: "Okay, you are now my slav-"

Dies a few seconds later because Garou automatically emits enough radiation to kill her instantly, which he doesn't have control over or knowledge of, so she can't tell him to turn it off.

This is, of course, assuming that her empathetic manipulation works in the first place, which going by the profiles, it won't. The page for OPM's Willpower has a resistance to Empathetic Manipulation listed, and its accepted; unless Ada's is layered or comes from a higher dimension (Neither is listed on her profile), thus he should be able to resist it by our standards.

Ada can look into the Garou's life and intercept him before the radiation affects her, since she has clairvoyance.

 

[Harith0cell]

Garou fra

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Ada can look into the Garou's life and intercept him before the radiation affects her, since she has clairvoyance.

How would she do this?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

How would she do this?

Looking at Garou's events during the fight against Saitama and telling Saitama to go away and kill himself

 

[Da3ggman]

Ada can look into the Garou's life and intercept him before the radiation affects her, since she has clairvoyance.

In the time it takes her to do that, the radiation would've already killed her, especially since she has zero listed resistance.

 

[Planck69]

because Eida's mind fuckery works on an unconscious and instinctual level, something willpower in OPM hasn't dealt with

This doesn't make it more potent, why are you harping on this?

Garou irradiates her FRA.

 

[Robo432343]

This doesn't make it more potent, why are you harping on this?

Garou irradiates her FRA.

im trying to find wincons for Eida but its hard

 

[Planck69]

im trying to find wincons for Eida but its hard

That's asinine. It's one thing to try to argue win conditions but you're literally throwing out nonsense and hoping something sticks.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That's asinine. It's one thing to try to argue win conditions but you're literally throwing out nonsense and hoping something sticks.

It's good for people to know that there is also a chance for Ada to win, as well as for Garou to win with just one shot.