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Garou vs Deku [OPM vs MHA] (14-1-0) (GRACE)
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As is Monsterization. There's nothing that indicates that his body can't replicate Quirks. He was able to change his biology to be able to shoot literal energy beams.
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Of course he can't copy quirks. But this quirk itself is seemingly only based on energy manipulation. He should be able to copy this explained process.
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its not like quirks are a conceptual thingy
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Pro dekus please address this
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My vote is for Garou.
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I’d imagine Fajin would one shot Deku due to its dura neg properties.
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im leaning garou but can we wait for @Kingofwolves999 or @TheRustyOne to comment before the fra trains
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Currently sick, so I cannot really give my opinion right now.
If the thread hasn't ended by the time I get better I'll share my detailed thoughts on this.
If the thread hasn't ended by the time I get better I'll share my detailed thoughts on this.
Catbowtie
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Mfw I had my own thread and couldn't get it unlocked (I am in unbearable anguish right now):
Anyways, Garou FRA.
Anyways, Garou FRA.
Catbowtie
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Here's my quick two cents on the topic since I've been thinking about it (I didn't read any of the arguments):
Garou should be able to keep himself alive and breathing against Deku since Water Smashing Fist pretty much allows him to react to anything Deku does outside of Fa-Jin + Gearshift blitz. When Deku does do the Fa-Jin + Gearshift blitz, it shouldn't be a problem since even if Deku goes for the kill shot, Type 2 Immortality kicks in and Garou's AP explodes then beats Deku up.
Deku has a pretty good win condition if he punches all of the vestiges of OFA into Garou. He can't survive soul destruction, but I honestly think that's literally the last think Deku would think to do here.
Garou should be able to keep himself alive and breathing against Deku since Water Smashing Fist pretty much allows him to react to anything Deku does outside of Fa-Jin + Gearshift blitz. When Deku does do the Fa-Jin + Gearshift blitz, it shouldn't be a problem since even if Deku goes for the kill shot, Type 2 Immortality kicks in and Garou's AP explodes then beats Deku up.
Deku has a pretty good win condition if he punches all of the vestiges of OFA into Garou. He can't survive soul destruction, but I honestly think that's literally the last think Deku would think to do here.
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Is that more than a 7.5x amp? If not I still don't think Garou's getting blitzed. That likely wouldn't even hit him even if he was asleep.
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Garou has a strong chance of winning here. He is much more skilled than Deku. He has the stamina and endurance to take attacks from much stronger opponents, even those capable of one-shotting him, as long as he avoids taking damage that he can't regenerate.
However, I don't believe he will grow as quickly as he did during the Platinum S fight. It's possible that there are limits or diminishing returns to his growth. Therefore, claiming he will again become thousands of times stronger (from 7-A to 6-A) in just a few milliseconds seems, well, quite a stretch I guess? But he can still probably get significantly stronger here.
However, I don't believe he will grow as quickly as he did during the Platinum S fight. It's possible that there are limits or diminishing returns to his growth. Therefore, claiming he will again become thousands of times stronger (from 7-A to 6-A) in just a few milliseconds seems, well, quite a stretch I guess? But he can still probably get significantly stronger here.
Catbowtie
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Garou started here
Votes look like this
If there were some Deku votes I missed then tell me.
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except he can , even after losing?? his monsetrisation due to him just giving up after nothing working on saitama he resisted basically turning into a god's avatar and was able to retain himself and gods trying to take over you is > the entirety of MHA obviously lol and if u dont wanna go with that we have 0 idea if souls even exist in OPM the only way u can say maybe is cuz of GOD but thats god and it could only just be his projection than his soul
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Garou fra
Catbowtie
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Not how this works bud. Get out of here and make a CRT for it.
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No, it's not.
Garou was stated to be limitlessly accelerating, meaning that his not only is he getting faster, the rate at which he grows is getting larger as well. This is supported by Garou's later forms being stated to have faster growth rates as I mentioned earlier:
As well as by the power graph of Garou and Saitama that shows his growth rate to be exponential.
Needless speculation based on lack of information.
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Yes, he continuously accelerates during the Platinum S fight, and I have no issues with that.
As for Cosmic Garou, that's a different form, significantly enhanced by his ability to copy Saitama's stats.
Do you think Four-Arm Garou has limitless and exponential growth, that he can potentially reach universal levels within an hour if under enough pressure?
At the end of the day, he hasn't shown the ability to get thousands of times stronger again after reaching his peak monster form and performing Extreme Fajin
Let's not act like it isn't speculation to say that he can get thousands upon thousands of times stronger after that point.
Dragonite007
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Garou FRA
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The one in the scan is Cosmic Garou after God took away his powers lmao go read the manga, and that Garou is literally 3-C, not the High 6-A being used here, Garou absolutely need to be killed to be stopped because he's a fricking machine that keeps fighting even when he's unconscious.
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His own rate of growth was not changed, which is why Saitama surpassed him. It was not enhanced by Saitama's stats. He just copied Saitama's strength but kept growing at his own speed.
Four-Armed Garou grows at a faster rate than the forms before him thats all we know. I'm not sure where all of this universal talk came from.
At the end of the day he literally self-proclaimed that his growth is getting faster, so it isn't speculation. I don't how you can even believe that you're correct right now when I sent the scan twice.
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He explicitly copies Saitama multiple times during their battle. He doesn't just copy Saitama one time and then relies on his own growth to match him.
You seem to be implying Four Arm Garou has limitless and exponential growth, so I'm asking if you think that's true.
He self-proclaims that his growth is getting faster within the context of specific battles. He doesn't say his growth is getting faster forever from there on out and has no apparent limits. Plus, we are not taking the character's statement at absolute face value in this way.
What you are overlooking is that in the end, Garou hasn't demonstrated the showing to become thousands of times stronger in mere milliseconds after achieving his peak monster form, which is the four arm one. It’s definitely speculative to suggest that he can effortlessly jump tiers again, as he did with his earlier monster forms.
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That's not what I claimed. Garou was copying Saitama's strength throughout the fight but the exponential curve that you see for Garou is his own natural growth.
And that's irrelevant to the topic so I have no incentive to answer it. My claim and what is shown in the scan I sent is that Four-Armed Garou has greater growth than his previous forms.
I never said that he has no limit. I used reading comprehension to understand that the wording in the panel ("limitless acceleration") is a fancy way of saying that it's exponential. And because his growth is exponential it has to be greater than earlier versions of himself. Whether or not Garou can literally grow forever does not have any bearing on either of our stances because we know according to himself that his rate of growth is beyond the earlier forms. If there was any limit, it sure as hell is not a mere 5x, as that gap is so insignificantly small compared to his previous feats that mentioning his new rate of growth would be pointless.
What you are overlooking is that Saitama could not even notice the difference in strength between the growth that Garou stated to be the greatest up until that point, but he noticed the increase in stats from the forms after that, which directly points to each transformation and growth being stronger than the last.
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Probably already been said but Garou takes this comfortably. Deku starts with a decent power advantage, but that doesn't matter when Garou so massively outskills Deku that it's like prime Bruce Lee Vs. a teenager who's watched a couple action movies. Deku IS NOT hitting him no matter what and it frankly won't take long for Garou to adapt. He breaks Deku's bones and snaps his neck in a couple minutes.
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5X speed and power is well over the one shot and blitz criteria. Anything over 3 times is. Calling a 5x difference "Decent" is just bullshit.
Deku has literal spider sense. Garou's instinctive reaction doesn't matter.
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That's wrong. Please, read the One-Shot and SBA pages on this Wiki before commenting false things as if they were correct.
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where are you people getting numbers for blitz differences from
they don't exist, shit varies with how far you are from the person (blitzing someone from 200m away is more impressive than doing so at point-blank, for example)
i don't think we even have those codified on a page unlike the one-shot gap of ~8x (even though, similarly, that varies a lot with the kind of attack and where it lands and whatnot)
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By who's judgement and from what source. 5x is just decent by fictitious standards and saying it would allow Deku to one-shot Garou who has regeneration and absurd stamina/endurance is pretty funny. Garou's whole shtick is that he can take whatever gets dished out, get back up, and hit harder anyways, with Saitama being the only one to finally put him down for good. Hitting Garou 5x harder than he can hit is probably not gonna kill him realistically speaking. You can make these arguments in a versus scenario but in actuality what would happen here is Deku is evenly matched and getting shit on in skill by Garou, amps himself and starts beating the breaks off Garou who gets a flashback mid-fight and immediately adapts to Deku's abilities and starts humiliating him again. Garou merely being able to even react to Deku in any capacity would immediately give him an insurmountable advantage given that he is about a hundred thousand times more skilled, like Deku is just a brawler with rudimentary martial arts at best, he's an amateur in skill and Garou would be dancing around him.
Danger Sense doesn't cancel out instinctive reaction what are you on about.
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Ok I checked. It's 8x. And Deku can go well over it considering Nana outright says he can make a punch much stronger than that. He can punch Garou 10 times and then just use 10x energy for Fa Jin. It is instanteous.
Also Garou's regen is low mid. He isn't coming back when his torso gets a hole in it.
Skill doesn't matter with a stat gap this big. That's the point of Saitama vs Garou.
No one here has provided Garou tanking a 5x stronger hit. Give me a calc, this isn't ******* reddit for your what ifs.
Also Garou's regen is low mid. He isn't coming back when his torso gets a hole in it.
Skill doesn't matter with a stat gap this big. That's the point of Saitama vs Garou.
No one here has provided Garou tanking a 5x stronger hit. Give me a calc, this isn't ******* reddit for your what ifs.
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"You can punch stronger" isn't a 10x amp. So no
One-Shot Page. Hitting randomly with a 5x amp is not enough to one shot, let alone someone with as big pain endurance as Garou has
Or, well, before evolving, he withstood the damage of an instant-death blast from Rover, was able to stood up and fight, evolve and adapt even more after that.
Rover at that time was 7-A, while Garou was 7-C+
Stop your passive-agressivity, please. You didn't know characters were willing to fight each other and used "Garou won't fight a mid schooler" as an argument on this very thread to be insulting people
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Except he probably can't do that nor will Garou just stand there. You're pulling shit out your ass.
Sure, but that won't happen. There is literally no indication Deku can stat amp himself enough to do that. At best he could blow one of Garou's limbs off or something.
It actually does when the character can predict, analyze, and counter attacks from characters much stronger and faster than him with increased force, while continuously adapting and getting better. Literally why are you pretending that Deku is incomparably stronger and faster than him.
You haven't provided much other than angry ranting about how Deku magically one-shots Garou when their base AP and speed are equal when Garou has almost every advantage possible. Garou tanked a point blank blast from Overgrown Rover who is far more powerful, and the blast was so strong Garou thought it would kill him, but he got a flashback-amp and just ate it, then started growing again. And this entire scenario is a what-if where you're projecting your interpretation of how it would go down. Can you drop the attitude or are you just gonna keep being angry for literally no reason.
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I don't know why you are getting aggressive, but if you are using this wiki, you should understand why something like this is difficult to provide.
The wiki always treats being hit by stronger people as meaning you are relative to them. So even when Garou does adapt rapidly to someone who is massively stronger than him (Darkshine, Overgrown Rover, Sage Centipede), the wiki treats it as if he started off relative to them, rather than being a lower tier. Thus it's hard to get calculative values like this.
But if you plainly just look at the in-verse context, it is clear to see many cases where the opponent is definitely capable of one-shotting Garou, but he adapts to it.
Darkshine is a blatant example. He was tanking all of Garou's attacks without issue. One of his tackles smashed Garou's ribcage and had Darkshine believing him to be dead. Garou came back and beat his ass.
I already know you're going to say the same, dishonest statement: "That isn't an explicit 5x difference."
The reason you're even mentioning a 5x gap is because your point is that Deku close to one-shotting. My point is that Garou has overcome gaps in strength where the other person was close to or has downright "one-shotted him" before in his own manga. You don't need these explicit numbers to compare things.
Also, in the case of Sage Centipede. Going by how the wiki indexes it, Garou fought against 7-As and then immediately became 6-A upon fighting Sage.
Literally what in the hell does Deku do about that gap? You want calculations and wiki values, then that is going from 396.99 Megatons to 2.46 Petatons in a practically instantaneous timeframe.
A difference in AP of 6,196,629x
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