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Garou vs Deku [OPM vs MHA] (14-1-0) (GRACE)

Phoenks said:
Also, in the case of Sage Centipede. Going by how the wiki indexes it, Garou fought against 7-As and then immediately became 6-A upon fighting Sage.

Literally what in the hell does Deku do about that gap? You want calculations and wiki values, then that is going from 396.99 Megatons to 2.46 Petatons in a practically instantaneous timeframe.

A difference in AP of 6,196,629x
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See now that's called proving a point.

Also why is Sage rated so high ? Didn't he shot by a sniper ?
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Stop your passive-agressivity, please. You didn't know characters were willing to fight each other and used "Garou won't fight a mid schooler" as an argument on this very thread to be insulting people
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I am pretty sure two other people asked me about how in character Deku wouldn't kill so he loses.

Don't spring that shit on me.
 
Alright Garou FRA. Only chance Deku has if he just beheads Garou right off the bat.
 
Phoenks said:
I don't know why you are getting aggressive, but if you are using this wiki, you should understand why something like this is difficult to provide.

The wiki always treats being hit by stronger people as meaning you are relative to them. So even when Garou does adapt rapidly to someone who is massively stronger than him (Darkshine, Overgrown Rover, Sage Centipede), the wiki treats it as if he started off relative to them, rather than being a lower tier. Thus it's hard to get calculative values like this.

But if you plainly just look at the in-verse context, it is clear to see many cases where the opponent is definitely capable of one-shotting Garou, but he adapts to it.

Darkshine is a blatant example. He was tanking all of Garou's attacks without issue. One of his tackles smashed Garou's ribcage and had Darkshine believing him to be dead. Garou came back and beat his ass.

I already know you're going to say the same, dishonest statement: "That isn't an explicit 5x difference."

The reason you're even mentioning a 5x gap is because your point is that Deku close to one-shotting. My point is that Garou has overcome gaps in strength where the other person was close to or has downright "one-shotted him" before in his own manga. You don't need these explicit numbers to compare things.

Also, in the case of Sage Centipede. Going by how the wiki indexes it, Garou fought against 7-As and then immediately became 6-A upon fighting Sage.

Literally what in the hell does Deku do about that gap? You want calculations and wiki values, then that is going from 396.99 Megatons to 2.46 Petatons in a practically instantaneous timeframe.

A difference in AP of 6,196,629x
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Holy shi bro spit-roasted my guy you did not need to do allat blud 😂
 
ReusedOil said:
Okay lets throw a bone and say that before miliseconds went by, garou CANT effectively defend himself and deku damages the body just enough that he knows that injury would kill garou.

Deku isn't aware of garou's immortality type 2. There is no reason for deku to continue inflicting injury to someone he knows is already dead, and with only a 5x ap disparity, deku would have to act out of character to desecrate a corpse to do enough damage where garou cant come back from.

Even giving Deku the advantage, garou will always have enough time to trigger and grow from reactive evo/explosive growth.

This is the issue that first needs to be addressed.
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This is how the fight will essentially play out even after crippling garou lol
 
57Dev said:
I am pretty sure two other people asked me about how in character Deku wouldn't kill so he loses.

Don't spring that shit on me.
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Also in-character means a character isn't explicitly trying to absolutely demolish their opponent as fast as possible at any means necessary (unless that's literally just how they are). Deku and Garou are trying to kill each other in this hypothetical, but they're not attempting to rip each other apart like savage animals.
 
57Dev said:
5X speed and power is well over the one shot and blitz criteria. Anything over 3 times is. Calling a 5x difference "Decent" is just bullshit.
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5x speed isn't a thing for Gearshift. We dont have that in the profile so nah
 
I should also note that the 8x oneshot figure is for being able to break the other person's skull in one hit. Garou has take far worse injuries and continued fighting so Deku's 5x is even less of an issue than we first thought.
 
Emerald said:
Also have to remind everyone that Deku's 5x amp punch can burst a hole through the torso of characters on his level, and he can amp even further to literally pulverize people on his level
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And Garou was 7-C and was attacked by powerful 7-A attacks, he thought he was going to die but quickly adapted to it, deku aint killing Garou, his amps are irrelevant here, 5x is nothing.
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Deku is a relatively versatile physical fighter, but he's still ultimately a hand to hand combatant with neat mobility, range and amp add-ons. Garou's type two immortality, skill-scaling and reactive evolution make him a nightmare for peer characters who A) can't vaporize characters with comparable stats, or B) aren't all hax first and h2h second.

Given that Garou had, when he and his reactive evolution were weaker, survived...
  • having his shoulders shattered
  • having his ribcage shattered/organs crushed
  • getting his skin charred to a crisp
  • being impaled
  • having a hole blown in his torso (again, organs)

...and has the ability to regenerate not just broken bones, but also pulverized limbs, at combat speed in this form...

Deku would need to use his amps at the very start of the fight to, first bypass Garou's precog + God slayer defenses, and then basically pulverize Garou's head or torso with his first or maybe second combo. If he doesn't Garou will regenerate any lesser damage, potentially develop new physical resistances and new martial countertechniques, and evolve his way up to a x5 - x10 stat gap in a pretty short time.

Given what I know about both characters and the input from others, I will vote Garou for the reasons I've given.
 
I'm till sick, but the match up is obvious.

Question? How is Izuku suppose to even win here? Garou cannot be restrained due to the massive LS difference, has vastly superior CQC abilities, very fast Low-Mid Regeneration, and can survive attacks that are vastly stronger than what Izuku can dish out and evolve to match and surpass it.

His stamina and endurance/willpower is insanely greater as well. Surviving any injuries that don't just straight up kill him in one shot, which is extremely difficult.

If Izuku lands a Fa Jin + Gearshift Smash, Garou just regenerates and evolves to withstand it.

Bernkastelll said:
And Garou was 7-C and was attacked by powerful 7-A attacks, he thought he was going to die but quickly adapted to it, deku aint killing Garou, his amps are irrelevant here, 5x is nothing.
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This alone tells me Izuku literally has no way of defeating Garou.

Even if we allowed Izuku to power up Fa Jin to the max and start off with Gearshift at high speed. Garou survives this attack no matter what and just stomps.

Izuku clearly has no chance here, unless someone can explain to me what he can do to defeat Garou.
 
Catbowtie said:
It depends on how quickly Deku says "Oh ****! This guy's cracked! Time to start punching One For All into him!"
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He needs to be able to injure him to do that, that's done via mixing their blood together. Although Garou's body seems to lacks blood and is more like armor around him. We've seen his entire arm get destroyed and nothing gushes out, he just grows back a new arm like it's made of energy.

So Izuku cannot transfer anything into him to begin with, meaning soul manipulation cannot be used on Garou at all.

Ignoring that, if Garou becomes equal or surpasses Izuku's Fa Jin + Gearshift combo, he cannot break through the skin to transfer OFA in the first place.

It's a super last resort that will depower himself as well. Izuku also never once intended to use this to kill, he used it to try and talk down Shigaraki without killing him. The only reason Shigaraki died in the end is because AFO is an jerk and Izuku literally had no other choice.

Even ignoring all of that.

The only way Izuku uses this at the start is if we force him into a killing no matter what mindset and give him knowledge on Garou's power so he'd be aware he cannot kill him. But that just ends up being a stomp in the other direction since he'll blitz and one shot Garou with soul destruction in that case.

Although giving one sided knowledge isn't fair to begin with.

Going by the conditions of this battle, Izuku has zero chance of victory here. You could repeat the battle over one hundred times and the outcome doesn't change.

Clearly a stomp.
 
Catbowtie said:
Then...Social Influencing win condition?
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I doubt Izuku can talk down Garou, especially in this state.

SBA Victory Conditions: "Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions."

Even if I could entertain that idea, it's not counted as a victory even if Izuku talks Garou down from fighting. At best it might be inconclusive if they don't want to fight.

That's also ignoring SBA mindset as well, which prevents them from just becoming friends or something.

Izuku's desire to save depends completely on how much Garou would give him. If Garou just refuses to talk to him, Izuku will try to take him down like he did with Muscular. Izuku tried so hard to save Shigaraki because he saw deep down that he was still a crying child.

He doesn't know anything about Garou, so he has less incentive to try so hard during the battle. To Izuku, any talks can happen after Garou is no longer a threat.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I'm till sick, but the match up is obvious.

Question? How is Izuku suppose to even win here? Garou cannot be restrained due to the massive LS difference, has vastly superior CQC abilities, very fast Low-Mid Regeneration, and can survive attacks that are vastly stronger than what Izuku can dish out and evolve to match and surpass it.

His stamina and endurance/willpower is insanely greater as well. Surviving any injuries that don't just straight up kill him in one shot, which is extremely difficult.

If Izuku lands a Fa Jin + Gearshift Smash, Garou just regenerates and evolves to withstand it.


This alone tells me Izuku literally has no way of defeating Garou.

Even if we allowed Izuku to power up Fa Jin to the max and start off with Gearshift at high speed. Garou survives this attack no matter what and just stomps.

Izuku clearly has no chance here, unless someone can explain to me what he can do to defeat Garou.
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I agree but because the argumentation was a bit contentious I didn't really try to acknowledge it as a stomp. But yeah nah in my eyes this is pretty one-sided. Izuku briefly having a momentary, somewhat significant stat advantage is not even remotely enough to give him a real edge. He might be able to hurt Garou if Garou doesn't see everything coming and just counter it anyways (which he would do), but it won't be enough damage to put him down and Garou WILL adapt. Garou takes this like, low-diff.
 
Catbowtie said:
It depends on how quickly Deku says "Oh ****! This guy's cracked! Time to start punching One For All into him!"
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He needs to actually hit Garou to do this. Plus him "damaging" Garou's soul would still take time for it to be effective. Not to mention that it's really portrayed more as a battle of wills but that's a whole other thing.
 
TheRustyOne said:
He needs to be able to injure him to do that, that's done via mixing their blood together. Although Garou's body seems to lacks blood and is more like armor around him. We've seen his entire arm get destroyed and nothing gushes out, he just grows back a new arm like it's made of energy.

So Izuku cannot transfer anything into him to begin with, meaning soul manipulation cannot be used on Garou at all.

Ignoring that, if Garou becomes equal or surpasses Izuku's Fa Jin + Gearshift combo, he cannot break through the skin to transfer OFA in the first place.

It's a super last resort that will depower himself as well. Izuku also never once intended to use this to kill, he used it to try and talk down Shigaraki without killing him. The only reason Shigaraki died in the end is because AFO is an jerk and Izuku literally had no other choice.

Even ignoring all of that.

The only way Izuku uses this at the start is if we force him into a killing no matter what mindset and give him knowledge on Garou's power so he'd be aware he cannot kill him. But that just ends up being a stomp in the other direction since he'll blitz and one shot Garou with soul destruction in that case.

Although giving one sided knowledge isn't fair to begin with.

Going by the conditions of this battle, Izuku has zero chance of victory here. You could repeat the battle over one hundred times and the outcome doesn't change.

Clearly a stomp.
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Fair take, I agree.

Sadge. Even at his strongest and with highballing, my McDonalds Worker can't beat Garou in one of his high-tier forms.
 
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