FIRE FORCE X SOUL EATER CRT (GOD TIER REVISION): ADOLLA X KISHIN

[Winzy]

are you not seeing how much of an NLF this is???

No? It all fits within the context of Adolla. Besides, we can always debate it.

 

[Vietthai96]

It's a higher-dimension that encompasses concepts, with "higher plane" being one of the many ideas within it.

Not a valid debunk.

Lol, your argument isn't totally valid either, because you literally assume the highest possible interpretation of the texts without actual solid back-up

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I don't think 1-A is appropriate here at all. The scan posted as evidence that Adolla transcends stuff doesn't seem to be taking about things that it surpasses, but rather about things that it is, seeing as it's referred to as a "higher plane" in here as well. So it seems to be, itself, a higher-dimensional space, not to transcend higher-dimensional spaces as a whole.

And to that I add that I don't think Low 1-C is that solid, either. It would be, if Adolla was confirmably higher-dimensional relative to all of spacetime, but a parallel universe that's spatially 4-D could conceivably be called "higher-dimensional" by 3-D creatures, too. "At least Low 2-C, possibly/likely higher" is the most I'd go for using what's given.

While it's true that Adolla is considered a “higher plane”, this doesn't necessarily negate the existence of the conecept of “higher dimension” within it. Some might view this as a higher interpretation, but why should we remove it from the overall context, especially when other concepts are mentioned within Adolla?

Unless one were to propose that Adolla is directly related to concepts like 'bugs' or 'mathematics' in a literal sense, which would indeed be quite unusual.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

@Winzy try to group multiple responses to multiple users in one post.

This way the thread won’t get clogged.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

While it's true that Adolla is considered a “higher plane”, this doesn't necessarily negate the existence of the conecept of “higher dimension” within it. Some might view this as a higher interpretation, but why should we remove it from the overall context, especially when other concepts are mentioned within Adolla?

Unless one were to propose that Adolla is directly related to concepts like 'bugs' or 'mathematics' in a literal sense, which would indeed be quite unusual.

It does necessarily negate it, yes, because you can't exceed the concept of "higher dimension" and yet be a higher dimension at the same time, and much space was dedicated in the OP to arguing that a more accurate translation to the term used in both instances is "higher dimension" rather than "higher plane."

And it does sound unusual, yes, but it's not like a verse having unusual features was ever an issue for us.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Isn't Adolla being unchanging even with the dimensionality changes of the "universe" good evidence for 1-A as well?

 

[Winzy]

Lol, your argument isn't totally valid either, because you literally assume the highest possible interpretation of the texts without actual solid back-up

It's not an assumption when there's evidence to back it up. I don't need to repeat myself on why it's so, at this point. Your stance on this topic will not change the objectiveness of things.

You know what will? If you debate me and I concede.

 

[Winzy]

Isn't Adolla being unchanging even with the dimensionality changes of the "universe" good evidence for 1-A as well?

There's so many evidence. And yeah, this is one of 'em.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

It does necessarily negate it, yes, because you can't exceed the concept of "higher dimension" and yet be a higher dimension at the same time, and much space was dedicated in the OP to arguing that a more accurate translation to the term used in both instances is "higher dimension" rather than "higher plane."

And it does sound unusual, yes, but it's not like a verse having unusual features was ever an issue for us.

I understand where you’re coming from. I acknowledge that it could invalidate my argument if we insist on the assumption of it just being 4-D. However, it's important to consider that this assumption might not be taking into account the full context of the relationship between Adolla and Reality.

Adolla is a higher dimension that merges with reality. It exerts influence by shaping, adding, or erasing elements within reality. This is achieved by switching reality with the way life perceives it. Adolla's impact extends to various aspects such as bugs, the cosmos, individuals, death, and even higher dimensions.

All the components within Adolla already have their existence within reality. This implies that reality inherently contains higher dimensions. Therefore, if we consider Adolla to be at least one dimension above reality, it encompasses those higher dimensions present in reality where in Adolla consistently interacts with and affects. That’s why I proposed for Tier 1 in general (at least Low 1-C, Adolla = 1-D + n-D cosmology/reality), because I consider this the lowest interpretation taking the whole narrative into account.

 

[Iiliminal]

Theoretically, yes. Adolla houses, contains the "idea" of Mathematics. And as well all know, math is the source of all dimensional theories in reality. It also encompasses, within itself, the idea of "world" and "higher dimension/plane". With this, it's safe to assert that even infinitely-stacked dimensions would still fall under the concept of "higher dimension", which Adolla contains.

PS: Even outerversal planes are treated as higher dimensions on this wiki.

u might as well bump this to tier 0, no need to lowball to 1-A. if were gonna argue all extensions of higher dimension then we argue all extensions of other concepts as well which includes math and other stuff this is like, peak of tier 0. but this kind of argument doesnt work here anyway
there needs to be more elaboration for adolla to get that high, the feats and statements regarding math in fire force arent enough, thisi s how the standards go

also for everyone just so were all clear with this
adolla is the aggregation of all concepts, an assembly of human ideation, it is those concepts themselves. each concept is essentially a mere fragment of the grand will of the universe

 

[Cyberblader90]

Arnold I'm going to throw you into a bottomless pit for this thread smh

Anyways, this really should wait until the merge with fire force and soul eater is complete which should be soon given that nierre fixed a lot of the soul eater stuff.

Fire force pages however are massively behind and some characters are even missing. Instead of these massive buffs to both series the lesser pages should be fixed first in their entirety.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Arnold I'm going to throw you into a bottomless pit for this thread smh

Anyways, this really should wait until the merge with fire force and soul eater is complete which should be soon given that nierre fixed a lot of the soul eater stuff.

Fire force pages however are massively behind and some characters are even missing. Instead of these massive buffs to both series the lesser pages should be fixed first in their entirety.

Hehe.

But I feel we should get the tiering totally sorted out. This will make creating pages and fixing them very easy now that the stats are settled.

 

[Deceived3596]

Shinra transcends Mathematics , he's 1-A

Following.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

All the components within Adolla already have their existence within reality. This implies that reality inherently contains higher dimensions

I don't exactly follow this part of the argument. Could you elaborate further? You talk a lot about how the things mentioned are ideations that Adolla contains in itself, but, as said, the fact it's explicitly referred to as a "higher plane" means that can't be the case. Else it would contain the concept of... Itself?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I don't exactly follow this part of the argument. Could you elaborate further? You talk a lot about how the things mentioned are ideations that Adolla contains in itself, but, as said, the fact it's explicitly referred to as a "higher plane" means that can't be the case. Else it would contain the concept of... Itself?

Adolla reflects the concepts it houses within itself.

Humanity worshiped God. Adolla became God. [2]

Humanity knows Hell. Adolla is Hell.

Humanity sought Truth. Adolla is the Truth.

Humanity thinks about itself, Adolla recreates humanity.

Humanity had its own view of reality. Adolla became the view of reality.

All of Humanity’s perceptions, concepts, ideas, thoughts, etc. Adolla nature reflects those perception, concepts, ideas, thoughts, etc.

Adolla is literally the collective unconscious.

Once it’s time for Adolla to merge with reality via the Great Cataclysm, it brings the things it houses into existence in said reality.

So yeah… my point is Humanity conceptualized the existence of a higher dimension(s). Adolla became a higher dimension while bringing the concept of higher dimension(s) into existence during its mergers with reality. There is even a way for the humans to connect to higher dimensions in the series. Shinra uses this way to reach Adolla.

Edit: added scans.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I don't exactly follow this part of the argument. Could you elaborate further? You talk a lot about how the things mentioned are ideations that Adolla contains in itself, but, as said, the fact it's explicitly referred to as a "higher plane" means that can't be the case. Else it would contain the concept of... Itself?

Adolla are these things, not that it contains like they keep saying.
It is contains the collective consciousness of human.
Also the only purpose of adolla is humanity extinction.
Check below

Once it’s time for Adolla to merge with reality via the Great Cataclysm, it brings the things it houses into existence in said reality.

So yeah… my point is Humanity conceptualized the existence of a higher dimension(s). Adolla became a higher dimension while bringing the concept of higher dimension(s) into existence during its mergers with reality.

So you are speculating? And I find it really odd that you keep saying dishonest things such as adolla containing "concept of higher dimensions" it does not or that it is creating higher dimensions when it was never even mentioned
It was a single monologue of a man who was dazed after entering adolla and calling adolla what he felt/what adolla is.
Which is law, truth, mathematics, higher plane.
Also No during its merge with reality nothing like higher dimension was brought into reality, all that happened was the destruction of the planet, which was the collective consciousness, nothing like higher dimensions was mentioned to be created.

All that happened was the extermination of humanity.
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I can send at least 20 more, where all that was said would happen after the merge is the extermination of human, and all that happened after the merge was that earth became a fiery planet in order for all humanity to die, since that's the whole point of adolla, the death of human. I will like to know where you got higher dimensions will be created, if that was never mentioned.
The great cataclysm is the merge of the world with Adolla and the end result of humanity's despair is death of all humans and not creation of higher dimensions.

Besides there is no Qualitative Superiority between Adolla and the real world, Adolla is simply humanity's despair and the idea is that it is to be a Hell, in fact the kanji used for it is Underworld

 

[Arnoldstone18]

…
Aside from the parts where you contradict yourself, the plot of the story and the part where you proved death and despair are just another one of these concepts within Adolla, none of what you said hurts the OP or my argument. Infact it’s in the OP, while my argument with Ultima is about what Adolla is and what it does upon merging with reality.

“Higher Dimension(s)” are one of these concepts that you can not deny without taking it out of context.

 

[PrinceofPein]

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Aside from the parts where you contradict yourself

Point it out please

, the plot of the story and the part where you proved death and despair are just another one of these concepts within Adolla, none of what you said hurts the OP or my argument.

No not just another, that is what adolla is and its end goal of the merging.

Infact it’s in the OP, while my argument with Ultima is about what Adolla is and what it does upon merging with reality.

And yes your head canon about it creating higher dimensions when it merges with reality?
Again a single monologue calling adolla higher plane and you extrapolate into something else entirely.

“Higher Dimension(s)” are one of these concepts that you can not deny without taking it out of context.

No it is not, scans of this please?
You are the one claiming the great cataclysm will create higher dimensions and you have failed to provide a source for your claims.
I claim all that would happen and all that happened is the destruction of humanity, and you claim higher dimensions are created.
I have provided proof of my claim, where is yours?

 

[Panache_x]

It is contains the collective consciousness of human.

Alright. It's a good thing you know the conception of The Collective Unconscious was intertwined into Adolla.
If you indeed know that, there is absolutely no point in you emphasizing on "Humanity's Extinction" being what Adolla is. While that is factual, it is heavily incomplete.
In Jung's works on analytical psychology, the idea of Collective Unconscious was issued. Elaborating on how it's the amalgamation of universal ideologies independent on personal experience. Even though the Fire Force's application of this concept might have deviate a bit from the original, it still heavily focuses on Collective Concepts independent of individuality. Such of these that were collective were:

• Law
• Mathematics
• Truth

To crown it all, the verse uses "Death" as the final collective concept for humanity. Because after death, they shall cease to be. Hence, Death became the "final" one for humanity, and one of the most focused on.
The fact that Death, which was one of these Collective Concepts was proven to eventually come to pass, stamps the argument that each and every other Collective Concept mentioned in Adolla is TRUE, and should be applied as it is.

Besides there is Qualitative Superiority between Adolla and the real world

I thought they have been mentions of R > F arguments here on this thread. Have those been addressed?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Point it out please

Adolla are these things, not that it contains like they keep saying.
It is contains the collective consciousness of human.
Also the only purpose of adolla is humanity extinction.
Check below

No not just another, that is what adolla is and its end goal of the merging.

Adolla is a set of concepts.
Death and Despair is a subset.
Evangelist wants Adolla to be only Despair and Death because that’s what humanity always wants in the end.

And yes your head canon about it creating higher dimensions when it merges with reality?
Again a single monologue calling adolla higher plane and you extrapolate into something else entirely.

Again, Adolla is combination and embodiment of human concepts. The monologue mentions some of these concepts. “Higher Dimension” is simply one of them. Adolla applies these concepts to reality after merging multiple times with it. Again, “Higher Dimension” is simply one of these concepts. A simple logical consequence

No it is not, scans of this please?
You are the one claiming the great cataclysm will create higher dimensions and you have failed to provide a source for your claims.
I claim all that would happen and all that happened is the destruction of humanity, and you claim higher dimensions are created.
I have provided proof of my claim, where is yours?

Occam’s razor. If the others are concepts. “Higher Dimension” grouped into the set is no exception.

Anyway, we’re probably not going to reach a conclusion so I’ll not let this discussion continue so as not to clog up the thread.

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No @Panache_x R>F hasn’t been mentioned but feel free to do so.

 

[PrinceofPein]

In response to your said contradiction, what was said in the monologue refers to what adolla is or rather what joker felt it is. So no it is not a contradiction as that is what four-two was feeling in it.

Adolla is a set of concepts.

No it is humanity despair and its history given form. And the collective consciousness of what humanity wants.
I sent this scans over and over again.

Death and Despair is a subset.

Scans?

Again, Adolla is combination and embodiment of human concepts.

Humanity history, not concepts. That's what the scans says.
It makes to pass humanity consciousness

The monologue mentions some of these concepts. “Higher Dimension” is simply one of them. Adolla applies these concepts to reality after merging multiple times with it. Again, “Higher Dimension” is simply one of these concepts. A simple logical consequence

The monologue also mentions concepts, so is adolla containing the "concept of concepts"? Or you dont see how your arguments is weird?
Also the monologue mentions what four-two felt in adolla..

Anyway, we’re probably not going to reach a conclusion so I’ll not let this discussion continue so as not to clog up the thread.

Obviously if you do not substantiate your claims, we will not reach a conclusion.
So I will stop responding to this.

 

[Winzy]

there needs to be more elaboration for adolla to get that high, the feats and statements regarding math in fire force arent enough,

More elaboration... Like what?

 

[Winzy]

Adolla are these things, not that it contains like they keep saying.
It is contains the collective consciousness of human.

Yeah, Adolla is the collective unconscious of humanity. That doesn't stop it from embodying concepts.

• Haumea described it as an amalgamation of human concepts.

• Hibana described it as an assembly of human ideation.

So yeah, this argument doesn't work. Sorry.

 

[Winzy]

So you are speculating? And I find it really odd that you keep saying dishonest things such as adolla containing "concept of higher dimensions" it does not or that it is creating higher dimensions when it was never even mentioned

Narratively, it's true. We've been over this, Pein. This argument is getting circular.

 

[ImmortalDread]

No, I disagree entirely with 1-A. Arnold, I made literally a joke about it in the server, not that you take it seriously and submit it.

Goshdamnnit, I should never joke like this.

 

[Vietthai96]

No, I disagree entirely with 1-A. Arnold, I made literally a joke about it in the server, not that you take it seriously and submit it.

Goshdamnnit, I should never joke like this.

Too late to regret

 

[Winzy]

It was a single monologue of a man who was dazed after entering adolla and calling adolla what he felt/what adolla is.
Which is law, truth, mathematics, higher plane.

- Of two men, actually. Burns and Joker. Yes, upon entering Adolla, they were stunned by its divinity, which made them hallucinate. They began to unconsciously list some of the concepts within Adolla, majorly CONCEPTS that matter to the story like: Math, Bugs, Laws, God, Higher Plane.

- And to prove that Adolla isn't these things but embodies them; Joker stated that upon entering Adolla, he saw the RULES OF THE WORLD, vividly. By "rules of the world", he means "Laws". Which was stated earlier.

- Dr Giovanni stated that "bugs" are creatures of Adolla. He stated they come from Adolla. This supports my assertion that Adolla houses these things said, rather than it being the things stated by Burns and Joker.

- Captain Hague also stated that the gods and devils of various religions are merely "reflections" of what is in Adolla. The Narrative backs this up, as it says that The Evangelist created the idea of "God".

 

[Winzy]

No @Panache_x R>F hasn’t been mentioned but feel free to do so.

I mentioned r-f. Pein ignored it.

 

[Panache_x]

No, I disagree entirely with 1-A. Arnold, I made literally a joke about it in the server, not that you take it seriously and submit it.

Goshdamnnit, I should never joke like this.

Lmao. You're not the originator of - this - 1-A Fire Force. Silly you.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Interesting crt. I know nothing about the verse except that someone there kicks fast but do go on.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yeah, Adolla is the collective unconscious of humanity. That doesn't stop it from embodying concepts.

Part of the things that make up the collective unconscious are humanity’s concepts. That’s why I told Pein that he’s just contradicting himself.

In response to your said contradiction, what was said in the monologue refers to what adolla is or rather what joker felt it is. So no it is not a contradiction as that is what four-two was feeling in it.

For the last time…It is a contradiction… Adolla is culmination of concepts, what Joker and Burns saw were those concepts. Adolla is mathematics, Adolla is despair, Adolla is numbers, Adolla is bugs, Adolla is Law, Adolla is the world, Adolla is humanity (dopplegangers), Adolla is death, Adolla is Hell, Adolla is God, Adolla is Higher Dimensional. All of which Adolla manifests within itself.

Humanity keeps saving itself from Death because it keeps clinging up to Hope. Adolla must be Hope so it must manifest Hope and save humanity. There has been many failed Cataclysms because of this very fact. The only thing that changed with the Final Great Cataclysm was to force everyone’s mind to despair so that there is absolutely no Hope.

So you don’t get to arbitrarily choose what and what is Adolla and what isn’t.

Scans?

https://imgur.io/a/CSpenSq

Humanity history, not concepts. That's what the scans says.
It makes to pass humanity consciousness

Now you’re misinterpreting your own scan. Humanity’s image of despair becomes Adolla. Adolla is Despair.

The monologue also mentions concepts, so is adolla containing the "concept of concepts"? Or you dont see how your arguments is weird?
Also the monologue mentions what four-two felt in adolla..

Bullshit. Everyone can read the monologue in the OP so this sort of dishonesty is unwarranted.

Obviously if you do not substantiate your claims, we will not reach a conclusion.
So I will stop responding to this.

If X is Y then Y is true.

 

[Iiliminal]

I propose making Adolla tier 0 if we keep arguing that it’s 1-A and that it holds all extensions of every concept, which includes math, as adolla is math itself in a sense (including other stuff)

shinra and haumea are absolute peak tier 0
Arthur has tier 0 hax
and fire force > ur fav verse.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I can not approach the scale using Math because you have to prove the existence of Alephs and other wanky tiershit axioms in the verse. So no Tier 0 is not possible. Only Low 1-A is likely.

 

[Iiliminal]

I can not approach the scale using Math because you have to prove the existence of Alephs and other wanky tiershit axioms in the verse.

if we keep arguing that the concept of dimensions contains all extensions of higher dimensions without much proof then I don’t see the problem with doing the same with math, and every other concept that adolla is made of

So no Tier 0 is not possible. Only Low 1-A is likely.

it’s either 4-D, 5-D or tier 0

 

[Arnoldstone18]

if we keep arguing that the concept of dimensions contains all extensions of higher dimensions without much proof then I don’t see the problem with doing the same with math, and every other concept that adolla is made of

it’s either 4-D, 5-D or tier 0

There’s not much to prove. concept of dimensions are just real number lines stacked on top of themselves perpendicularly (lxlxlx..). Plus I’m arguing for at least 5-D.

 

[Iiliminal]

I think 5D is okay

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yeah.
But If Adolla can keep manipulating reality’s mathematical laws and higher dimensionality according to how humanity perceives them then I would suggest a “likely/possibly” higher tier in conjunction with 5-D.


Edit: If anyone has any questions let me know.

 

[Alexander]

I keep wondering how the hell transcending the concept of dimensions is equal to an NLF? It doesn't even work like that, it's not putting an extra level to the already existing dimensionality like "transcending dimensions" is literally getting out of the system itself.
Even so, I partly agree with the 5D one, basically because the rules of this wiki work like that, although I will always continue in favor of adolla being 1-A.

 

[Maitreya12]

Ok for one, super sorry I came late to this thread.

I don't exactly follow this part of the argument. Could you elaborate further? You talk a lot about how the things mentioned are ideations that Adolla contains in itself, but, as said, the fact it's explicitly referred to as a "higher plane" means that can't be the case. Else it would contain the concept of... Itself?

Ok so I’ve been told you’re the resident expert on tier 1 evaluations and such so this post will hopefully serve as kind of explanation for the proposition (I’m only shooting for a Low 1-C rating, not a High 1-A or whatever lol) and a question for feats for that rating as well.

From what I gathered from reading this text, I believe you said something along the lines of “it can be conceivable for Adolla to be tier 1 if they transcend the 4-D space-time.” (Paraphrasing). And I saw some other posts from other users indicating that for low 1-C additional feats and statements are needed.

I think that can be demonstrated here.

So probably the most obscure feat in the series is when Adolla shifts “reality” into “fiction” through a cataclysm (a merger between the Adolla plane of pure thoughts and the real world). This feat is described to us using drawings as an example. Would you call a stick figure human? It has two arms, legs, and a head so it can be vaguely called one.

This is what happened to the entirety of space-time in the FF verse.

(Note: This happens through the whole space-time continuum as Shinra uncovers this revelation by traveling into the past and seeing what reality was 250 years prior to the start of the series. There’s a clear distinction between which point in time “reality” shifts.)

Now, I’m not an expert on any kind of “5D reality to fiction” shenanigans right, that’s where the “question” part of this post comes into play but frankly I don’t think it’s an ‘unreasonable’ conclusion to come to regarding this feat. Like if you were to ask me what you think a ‘reality to fiction feat would look like’ I would intuitively think that turning what would be considered a “real world” into an “anime/manga world” would classify as such, but I’m no expert on the matter. It would just be important to note that in describing the feat it’s stated that the “rules of the world were rewritten” by the characters. (There’s literally a whole ass chapter in this series of just a real life woman giving exposition and explaining how disgusted she is about humans it’s freaking weird dude.)

Now again, on its own that might not be enough to indicate a low 1-C rating or to reach “5D” levels or whatever, but I think compounded with the information that the Adolla plane is this world of pure human ideations which is portrayed and states as this “transcendent realm” and that it “World beyond human imagination.” About it being the final point to all human imagination and embodies all the concepts which explicitly mentions “higher dimensions” and “mathematics” as some of the concepts it embodies. (Which Adolla has further feats of impacting the concepts of mathematics such as both creating the mathematical concept of Pi and then turning it from an infinite, unsolvable equation to a finite solvable one. Which helps to validate it as encompassing these concepts.)

Adolla has shown to embody “history” itself as well (which is the whole reason Shinra was even able to view the past despite being in the Adolla plane at the time) as the Adolla world carries with it the very history of humanities despair. This gets further proven to be true by how it’s verbatim stated during the second cataclysm that due to the merger of the world of thoughts, Adolla, and the real world, the concepts that Adolla carries of the people of the past are being merged with the present real world.

I think all this evidence of statements and feats compounded together helps point towards the narrative that Adolla truly does operate on this metaphysical, transcendent realm from “reality” and its statement of embodying the very concepts of “higher dimensions” helps to signify that fact.

There’s also some totally obscure feats that also help indicate this as well such as the fact that Adolla straight up sees the world itself as a “story” and labels the characters in the verse as either “explicitly” or “background” characters and can literally have them vanish from reality itself when their “role in the story has been completed.” I think that alongside the previous “reality to fiction” feat Adolla displayed helps shows the kind of “5D” nature I’m talking about when in reference to Adolla.

This also gets supported by how human beings who are not blessed by the Adolla flame can’t do so much as grasp the Adolla plane as they immediately are burned up and killed. In fact you can’t even so much as look into the Adolla world or it’s true form either as your eyes immediately combust as if you stared directly into the sun itself.

There is also the matter that Shinrabanshoman (the very pinnacle of the verse who is cited as being ‘God itself’ and having the acquired “the power of all creation” with the name ‘Shinrabanshoman’ literally meaning ‘all of creation’).

The end point being: There is a lot of evidence from both feats and statements (there’s even more statements like these ones above trust me they say it a lot) indicating that Adolla and the Evangelist act in this “higher dimensional superiority” to the point where it would classify for a Low 1-C rating. Or at the very least I think the evidence compounded together makes it so the conclusion of the Fire Force god tiers being Low 1-C is not an unreasonable conclusion to come to based on that evidence.

 

[Alexander]

Ok so I’ve been told you’re the resident expert on tier 1 evaluations and such so this post will hopefully serve as kind of explanation for the proposition (I’m only shooting for a Low 1-C rating, not a High 1-A or whatever lol) and a question for feats for that rating as well.

Do you disagree with 1-A because of vsbw standards or because that idea is not for you.