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Everything Fire Brigade of Flames General Discussion Thread

Alexander said:
you are describing omnipotence,that in fiction is equal to being the most powerful of the verse with a big difference.
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Omnipotence is the ability to do all and there is nothing they cannot do particularly revolving around strength/power. it's also called all strength/power.
Boundless is being unbounded by everything it's in the name.
 
I think his speed should be immeasurable and it was stated the concept of higher dimensions was inspired by visions of adolla so if human thought is adollas reality by proxy it should be higher dimensional.
 
Chrome said:
I think his speed should be immeasurable and it was stated the concept of higher dimensions was inspired by visions of adolla so if human thought is adollas reality by proxy it should be higher dimensional.
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internet,**** dammit,i don't have time,in the place where i am,the internet is 0,except for the ''data''i don't know to translated this,so i can't talk,until tomorrow
 
Chrome said:
I think his speed should be immeasurable and it was stated the concept of higher dimensions was inspired by visions of adolla so if human thought is adollas reality by proxy it should be higher dimensional.
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At least 1-A, likely 0, possibly Beyond the Tiering System
 
Alright we've gotta start working on a actual blog for the cosmology, profile creation and profile clean ups, as well as a thread addressing soul eater and fire force and what to do with each verse since they're the same verse
 
Yeah that seems like the next step in getting Fire Force stuff on the wiki in line. Tbh I think the souleater/fire force thread is gonna just lead to the verses merging since that seems to be how this kind of thing usual goes but the potential scaling of Fire Force to Souleater is what's gonna be more interesting
 
I'll try to speed read SE.

I've been reading it for the past few months but I've been so busy with work that it's going very slowly.
So far I was just planning on redoing th profiles with a better looking P&A, and probably different ratings all together.

I'm not sure how long it'll take so don't put much faith that I'll finish reading before you guys get to the cross scaling..
 
im working on getting soul eater calcs. Tempest would like to calc benimaru doppelganger's fire ring around earth and adolla turning the earth into a star
 
Quangotjokes said:
Shinra didn't become hope, he's the pillar of hope.
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He isn't the pillar of hope... That isn't a thing thats even in fire force???

Shinra was the pillar of rage he became hope when he fused with his mother who was the evangelists doppelganger and the embodiment of hope in contrast to the evangelist which was the embodiment of despair
 
Sonoftanavast9 said:
He isn't the pillar of hope... That isn't a thing thats even in fire force???

Shinra was the pillar of rage he became hope when he fused with his mother who was the evangelists doppelganger and the embodiment of hope in contrast to the evangelist which was the embodiment of despair
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Ah yes misremebered, but his mother was never abstract in existence. Doppelganger aren't mirrors of the original. His mother was human who became an inferno.
 
Quangotjokes said:
but his mother was never abstract in existence. Doppelganger aren't mirrors of the original. His mother was human who became an inferno.
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It's directly stated that she's the counterpart to the evangelist in regards to being Hope and it is made abundantly clear that's she mirrors the evangelist multiple times.

The evangelist is literally despair in an AE sense and his mother is Hope in contrast to this despair:
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Both Shinra and Haumea also mention that her showing up means that there is still Hope left amidst the despair
 
Her being there symbolizing hope is because adolla is a world of perception. She doesn't actually have abstract existence unlike evangelist she's human with a soul.
 
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Quangotjokes said:
Her being there symbolizing hope is because adolla is a world of perception. She doesn't actually have abstract existence unlike evangelist she's human with a soul.
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That literally makes no sense... It is never once in any single page of the whole manga stated that she only symbolizes hope because adolla is a world of perception instead she is specifically noted to be the evangelists counterpart regards to being hope which is explicitly stated in the above scans. You ignoring that and coming up with a random fanfic reason which was never once implied or stated to specifically be a reason is just dumb.

Her formerly being human is irrelevant seeing as how Haumea was formerly human but still became the embodiment of despair by merging with the evangelist.
 
Misinterpreted scans don't mean she's the embodiment of hope. She's not formerly human she is human, internalized. She's not abstract and she has a souls let's not ignore what's there. Doppelgangers are physical embodiments of what we perceive those individuals as.

She is no different than any other infernal in the series.
 
Quangotjokes said:
Misinterpreted scans don't mean she's the embodiment of hope.
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The **** do you mean misinterpreted scan it clearly states that she is Hope in contrast to the evangelists despair and does so on 2 separate occasions while you are yet to provide even a single scan for your inane argument.
Quangotjokes said:
She's not formerly human she is human, internalized. She's not abstract and she has a souls let's not ignore what's there
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Haumea still had a soul and even had the souls of everyone single pillar while merged with the evangelist yet she was still the embodiment of despair. Your argument makes no sense and literally is contradicted by the series itself.
Quangotjokes said:
Doppelgangers are physical embodiments of what we perceive those individuals as.
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The evangelist itself isn't a human individual but instead the embodiment of adollas despair itself meaning it's doppelganger can be much the same which is in line with what is stated. Doppelgangers are just the manifestation of the general publics perception of a thing. The evangelist is despair which the general public perceive as hope
 
Shinra's mother is as much hope as Shinra is rage or any other pillar is their respective emotion. It's symbolism but not an abstraction.

Humea is human yes, evangelist and her fused together. Don't see how that has any relevance to evangelist not having a soul of its own considering its humanities dispair.

Evangelist is humanities dispair. We see it's true form as natural disasters and war. Shinra's mother is just an infernal. She's physical and tangible just as any other infernal is.
 
Quangotjokes said:
Shinra's mother is as much hope as Shinra is rage or any other pillar is their respective emotion. It's symbolism but not an abstraction.
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This is never once stated so stop pulling shit out of your ass. Shinra was the Pillar of rage it never once said that he was in fact the embodiment of rage in contrast to the evangelist like it does for his mom. Non of the pillars were stated to represent a concept in direct comparison to the evangelist like his mom was which is the argument here. Your conflating completely unrelated things as a means of wasting everyones time
Quangotjokes said:
Humea is human yes, evangelist and her fused together. Don't see how that has any relevance to evangelist not having a soul of its own considering its humanities dispair.
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The evangelist fused with her and she had the souls of every pillar within her at which point the evangelist and her by extension were still considered the embodiment of despair despite having multiple souls contained within them.
Quangotjokes said:
Evangelist is humanities dispair. We see it's true form as natural disasters and war. Shinra's mother is just an infernal. She's physical and tangible just as any other infernal is.
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And Marie is the evangelists doppleganger directed stated to be the hope in contrast with that despair. It is outright stated that She "is the only stain of hope left amidst that despair" which directly specifies that she is Hope in relation to the despair that the evangelist is as it literally specifically notes they are talking about the evangelist as despair in the statement prior "The evangelist is the symbol of despair and the salvation of mankind".
  • "The evangelist is the symbol of despair and the salvation of mankind": Specifies that they are talking about "Despair" in the context of what the evangelist embodies as an abstract.
  • "Your mother is the only stain of hope left amidst that despair": Specifically calls to the fact that she is hope in relation to that despair outlined in the initial statement which is the abstract the evangelist embodies.
This statement is clear cut and direct in the most clear way to the point where you have to actively ignore it because you have no actual argument against it.

There's also the fact that by being an infernalized doppleganger of the evangelist Mari has also merged with the evangelist. Infernalization occurs when a doppleganger attempts to merge with their counterpart meaning that by being infernalized Mari partially or to a degree merged with a part of the evangelist already
 
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It's a symbolic, Shinra is the rage pillar and it was his rage that completed the cataclysm. It's about what they represent, as the pillars connect the two planes together. She as a doppelganger is symbolic of the remaining hope of humanity. She doesn't have abstract existence and hasn't shown the same properties as evangelist to even make the argument. She's an infernal, if she gets killed she won't come back.
 
Quangotjokes said:
It's a symbolic, Shinra is the rage pillar and it was his rage that completed the cataclysm. It's about what they represent, as the pillars connect the two planes together. She as a doppelganger is symbolic of the remaining hope of humanity
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Mari isn't a pillar and is never stated to be a pillar once or stated to be related to pillars any way. She doesn't even play a part in initiating the cataclysms when all the pillars are summoned and she isn't even once shown during the scene when they denote the pillars. She is specifically noted to be related to the evangelist in the way she embodies hope. You are conflating unrelated things together because you have no actual arguments.

The phenomena of pillars is completely unrelated to Mari which is evident by the fact that such a thing is never once stated or shown during the entire series and you are unable to provide even a single scan to prove such while I have a clear cut set of 2 scans directedly stating her relation to the evangelist.
Quangotjokes said:
She doesn't have abstract existence and hasn't shown the same properties as evangelist to even make the argument. She's an infernal, if she gets killed she won't come back.
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All of this is as clear as day
 
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