FIRE FORCE GOD TIERS AND HIGH TIERS AP THREAD

[PrinceofPein]

I am not friends with anyone on this wiki irl
This is derailing

Yeah sure you are not sheys 100 (percent and flowers)

 

[PrinceofPein]

Hi, Xxxx. Glad you could make it.

For the last time that’s the other guy, and just so you know saying someone’s actually name here can get you banned as that’s revealing someone’s private information against their will
Delete this comment or I’m reporting you (not a threat but a warning)

First of all, apart from maybe Arnold who is obviously salty from having his controversial CRT shut down, and probably shouldn't be here, everyone on this thread has been debating you over your justifications quite fairly. I even agreed with most of the OP. The accusations you're throwing around are not only counter-productive, they are largely unfounded, unprofessional and unnecessary. You're threatening to feature these guys in the RVR for "derailing" (contesting your CRT) whilst being toxic and telling them they aren't "worth peace"? My first comment on this thread was for you and Arnold to stop derailing the thread by being passive aggressive. If you can't do this, stay on your high horse and wait for staff input. Don't ruin an otherwise good thread with this sort of unprofessional conduct.

I am not threatening and yes you guys are not worth my peace, no one is actually.
you should read your comments if you don’t know what hostility is that’s what it is.
Anyway I am dropping it

Anyways, now that the Iris stuff has been crossed out, the OP looks fine.

Okay then

 

[Shey]

NOW FOR AP

This feat here
1. 5-B

Fire Force Madness Moon

vsbattles.fandom.com

2. 5-B
Benimaru's Doppelganger Nichirin.

Who scales?

1. Joker (gets a "At least 5-C, possibly 5-B" rating - He is thought to be stronger than he actually is. while his doppelganger key gets a solid 5-B, way stronger than the Joker everyone sees)

Doppelganger key

Iffy

2. Captain burns

Iffy

3. Dragon

Fine definitely

4. Faerie

Fine

5. Arthur

Fine

6. Benimaru (His doppelganger key gets just “5-B” while he gets, "At least 5-B, Possibly far higher)

It's fine if he's scaling other 5-B scaling but if not, then he'd be 5-B with the Nichirin

7. Hibachi shinmon (he gets "At least 5-B” since he could fight a serious Benimaru)

Does his 5-B come from Benimaru's Nichirin scaling?, If so he shouldn't scale to it,he got oneshot by it, no one should off the top of my head

8. Kurono ("5-B”)

Iffy and Neutral

9. Sho (At least 5-B)

Fine

10. Shinra (At least 5-B) SBM gets (At-least 5-B, likely far higher)

This is fine

11. Haumea (At least 5-B), for her Evangelist key (At least 5-B, likely far higher)

Seems fine

 

[Shey]

Yeah sure you are not sheys 100 (percent and flowers)

I don't understand, I'm not Shey's 100?
What is percent and flowers?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Tbh was not referring to you it was a general statement
Zoldyck, Arnold, gumball and Shey are all friends

...

I am not friends with them.

this is how you take feedback? grow up.

 

[PrinceofPein]

...

I am not friends with them.

Yeah sure

this is how you take feedback? grow up.

Feedbacks requires you providing rooms for improvements, none of your comments will improve anything here, it will do the opposite.
Anyway if you have nothing more to say, I’m moving on

 

[Chrome]

I’ve never seen someone argue a character scales to another character because he got beat up by him

 

[PrinceofPein]

I’ve never seen someone argue a character scales to another character because he got beat up by him

I can’t even

This scan alone is enough to say he scales

But that’s not the only scan

There are more and even without any defense he could take hits just fine
Right to the chest

It’s only one sided cause of Benimaru hax that allows him to cancel any ability that has to do with fire

So basically he can’t attack or defend but Beni 2 can do all that just fine and somehow you think he is not in the same tier as the doppelgänger that he took a beating from?

Please there should be a valid reason for anyone to say someone should not scale I have had enough of people saying kurono should not scale. You can take hits from a 5-B means you are ******* 5-B. Nothing more nothing less.
And no Beni2 was not holding back.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Feedbacks requires you providing rooms for improvements, none of your comments will improve anything here, it will do the opposite.

As much as these "improvements" sound good, we need to uphold the credibility of these profiles. And not have to go through several CRTs in the future on why Joker isn't planet level.

I am glad you are moving on. Now we can get back on track.

Then he'd be 5-B in durability but given that cut its seeming like he's not 5-B.

That is exactly what I am trying to tell him.

Benimaru didn't even need the chop forms to deal that kind of damage. Once he got rid of those durable soot weapons he just straight-up bullied him.

Hope this doesn't scale to his Attack Potency.

Does his 5-B come from Benimaru's Nichirin scaling?, If so he shouldn't scale to it,he got oneshot by it, no one should off the top of my head

good point.

L ******* mao
You just have missed the part he took multiple hits from a 5-B??

He got bullied,
After the bullying, Dopplemaru threatened to kill him with a city-level attack.
As soon as his encounter with Beniumaru his wording changed from "City" to "Planet".
Yes, they are the strongest but there is certainly a hierarchy among the strongest.

I disagree tbh. his weapons tank the brunt of his Iai chops, without them Kurono is vulnerable to even casual blows from him.

Not sure why you tagged a post for someone else but ill look at it i guess

 

[PrinceofPein]

Does his 5-B come from Benimaru's Nichirin scaling?, If so he shouldn't scale to it,he got oneshot by it, no one should off the top of my head

This is a good question so I will answer
Nah, his 5-B comes from scaling above Faerie

 

[PrinceofPein]

As much as these "improvements" sound good, we need to uphold the credibility of these profiles. And not have to go through several CRTs in the future on why Joker isn't planet level.

I will always be here for such CRTs
But this is already decided in previous threads

He got bullied,
After the bullying, Dopplemaru threatened to kill him with a city-level attack.
As soon as his encounter with Beniumaru his wording changed from "City" to "Planet".
Yes, they are the strongest but there is certainly a hierarchy among the strongest.

Kurono has been decided to scale by knowledgeable members in previous thread you don’t like that?
Make a CRT

I disagree tbh. his weapons tank the brunt of his Iai chops, without them Kurono is vulnerable to even casual blows from him.

Proceeds to survive blows undefended
Go ahead and downgrade every weapon users on the wiki with your faulty logic as usual



Anyway Kurono was decided to scale in a past CRT that was already agreed upon. If you don’t like that, make a CRT this is not the thread for it

 

[Chrome]

I can’t even

This scan alone is enough to say he scales

But that’s not the only scan

There are more and even without any defense he could take hits just fine
Right to the chest

It’s only one sided cause of Benimaru hax that allows him to cancel any ability that has to do with fire

So basically he can’t attack or defend but Beni 2 can do all that just fine and somehow you think he is not in the same tier as the doppelgänger that he took a beating from?

Please there should be a valid reason for anyone to say someone should not scale I have had enough of people saying kurono should not scale. You can take hits from a 5-B means you are ******* 5-B. Nothing more nothing less.
And no Beni2 was not holding back.

All of that is durability tho he didn’t land a single hit and doppel beni comments on how weak he is showing he wasn’t trying. Kurono throughout the fight is complaining about the power difference between them. When getting rid of kurono he prepares an attack that’ll destroy the city yet against the actual benimaru he states he can’t use any half assed attacks and proceeds to actually try and threatens to destroy the entire planet. How during the events of all of that do you still come to the conclusion that kurono scales to this man?

 

[PrinceofPein]

All of that is durability tho he didn’t land a single hit and doppel beni comments on how weak he is showing he wasn’t trying. Kurono throughout the fight is complaining about the power difference between them. When getting rid of kurono he prepares an attack that’ll destroy the city yet against the actual benimaru he states he can’t use any half assed attacks and proceeds to actually try and threatens to destroy the entire planet. How during the events of all of that do you still come to the conclusion that kurono scales to this man?

I can’t even

This scan alone is enough to say he scales

But that’s not the only scan

There are more and even without any defense he could take hits just fine
Right to the chest

It’s only one sided cause of Benimaru hax that allows him to cancel any ability that has to do with fire

So basically he can’t attack or defend but Beni 2 can do all that just fine and somehow you think he is not in the same tier as the doppelgänger that he took a beating from?

Please there should be a valid reason for anyone to say someone should not scale I have had enough of people saying kurono should not scale. You can take hits from a 5-B means you are ******* 5-B. Nothing more nothing less.
And no Beni2 was not holding back.

Anyway Kurono was decided to scale in a past CRT that was already agreed upon. If you don’t like that, make a CRT this is not the thread for it

 

[Arkenis]

Rip Fire Force pages

 

[Chrome]

Nice argumentum ad nauseam also isn’t this a crt? Making another one seems like a waste of time when we can discuss it right now

 

[PrinceofPein]

Nice argumentum ad nauseam also isn’t this a crt? Making another one seems like a waste of time when we can discuss it right now

This is not the CRT for whether Kurono scales you Beni2 or not
We already had that CRT and it was accepted.
So if you feel like that’s incorrect gladly make a CRT as that will be derailing this thread
Which hasn’t been derailed enough already

 

[Chrome]

This is not the CRT for whether Kurono scales you Beni2 or not
We already had that CRT and it was accepted.
So if you feel like that’s incorrect gladly make a CRT as that will be derailing this thread
Which hasn’t been derailed enough already

This crt mentions his ap scaling so im commenting on it lol this isn’t derailment at all it’s on topic

 

[PrinceofPein]

This crt mentions his ap scaling so im commenting on it lol this isn’t derailment at all it’s on topic

Yh sure go ahead

 

[Chrome]

Yh sure go ahead

All of that is durability tho he didn’t land a single hit and doppel beni comments on how weak he is showing he wasn’t trying. Kurono throughout the fight is complaining about the power difference between them. When getting rid of kurono he prepares an attack that’ll destroy the city yet against the actual benimaru he states he can’t use any half assed attacks and proceeds to actually try and threatens to destroy the entire planet. How during the events of all of that do you still come to the conclusion that kurono scales to this man?

Debunk?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Debunk?

Nice post man, try reading the OP and previous messages

 

[Arkenis]

Nice post man

could u link the thread where Kurono's scaling was accepted?

 

[Chrome]

Nice post man, try reading the OP and previous messages

I have thats the issue so I’ll just take that as you can’t rebunk his scaling

 

[PrinceofPein]

I have thats the issue so I’ll just take that as you can’t rebunk his scaling

Yh sure blame me and not your lack of proper reading comprehension.
Debunked over and over again
Explained over and over again
You not accepting is none of my problems for this thread

 

[PrinceofPein]

could u link the thread where Kurono's scaling was accepted?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/fire-force-scaling-thread-and-other-miscellaneous.134695/

 

[Chrome]

Yh sure blame me and not your lack of proper reading comprehension.
Debunked over and over again
Explained over and over again
You not accepting is none of my problems for this thread

Saying you debunked me isn’t a debunk lol you’re ducking my response by appealing to irrelevant authorities and regurgitating your weak arguments

 

[PrinceofPein]

Saying you debunked me isn’t a debunk lol you’re ducking my response by appealing to irrelevant authorities and regurgitating your weak arguments

Ok

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Actually the entire point of the doppelgänger was to invite people so strong it will bring despair and yes they were supposed to scale above someone like Faerie
So yes Faerie called in people stronger than him, that gets any doppelgänger a 5-B key already

Them being the strongest members of the establishment doesn’t inherently mean they should be in the same tier. I prefer those below dopplemaru upscale from Maki’s feat that I’m really not comfortable with btw. I heard there is a new calc coming along, 6-A? that should be more reasonable than 5-C. I don’t mind the logic behind that calc too much.

edit: also it doesn’t mean they’re all stronger than faerie. So hibachi shouldn’t scale to faerie

So if the doppelgängers upscale from the 6-A. That would be good tbh.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Them being the strongest members of the establishment doesn’t inherently mean they should be in the same tier. I prefer those below dopplemaru upscale from Maki’s feat that I’m really not comfortable with btw. I heard there is a new calc coming along, 6-A? that should be more reasonable than 5-C. I don’t mind the logic behind that calc too much.

edit: also it doesn’t mean they’re all stronger than faerie

So if the doppelgängers upscale from the 6-A. That would be good tbh.

No one cares about what you feel or think or prefer here man
I only care about what was shown

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Not a good look for you man.
Not a good look

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

While Pain could have worded it better, he's saying that "I'm not comfortable with this scaling" are arguments from incredulity.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

While Pain could have worded it better, he's saying that "I'm not comfortable with this scaling" are arguments from incredulity.

Oh lol
I already gave my arguments earlier + Life_of_king is working on a blog that’s why I crossed out “I’m not comfortable with” and gave suggestions.

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No one cares about what you feel or think or prefer here man
I only care about what was shown

Tired of arguing. I just want to carry on and make these changes as accurate as they possibly can.


Hibachi upscales from Maki, and should not be “at least 5-B” because he lost to a pre-cat Benimaru. What do you think about that?

 

[Zencha9]

i disagree

 

[Arnoldstone18]

With?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Tired of arguing. I just want to carry on and make these changes as accurate as they possibly can.

Good cause that’s my goal too

Hibachi upscales from Maki, and should not be “at least 5-B” because he lost to a pre-cat Benimaru. What do you think about that?

I think it’s a valid point.
Now this is how you disagree by bringing valid points

Anyway yes he lost to a Beni that the cataclysm was on-going not a pre-cataclysm Beni and that was like the last pillar or second to the last . The entire thing is they became that strong as soon as the cataclysm started look at Dragon and Arthur or Maki and Hinamawa.
Also Beni fought Hibachi a while and finally one-shot when he went all out but uses a finger to cut his Doppelgänger through and considered him trash.
Hibachi would still scale above his doppelgänger, so hibachi is not scaling to Benimaru but scaling to the fact that he could at least hold his own better than the doppelgänger that was sliced through with a single finger.


Also yes I know about the blog I was the one who requested for it to be made on life_of_king wall. The only person that is affecting is the real joker.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I APOLOGIZE TO EACH AND EVERYONE I HAVE BEEN HOSTILE TO, IT WAS JUST THAT I DID NOT LIKE THE WAY YOU GUYS CAME AT ME.
Anyway let’s move on and do better next time

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Good cause that’s my goal too

I think it’s a valid point.
Now this is how you disagree by bringing valid points

Anyway yes he lost to a Beni that the cataclysm was on-going not a pre-cataclysm Beni and that was like the last pillar or second to the last . The entire thing is they became that strong as soon as the cataclysm started look at Dragon and Arthur or Maki and Hinamawa.
Also Beni fought Hibachi a while and finally one-shot when he went all out but uses a finger to cut his Doppelgänger through and considered him trash.
Hibachi would still scale above his doppelgänger, so hibachi is not scaling to Benimaru but scaling to the fact that he could at least hold his own better than the doppelgänger that was sliced through with a single finger.


Also yes I know about the blog I was the one who requested for it to be made on life_of_king wall. The only person that is affecting is the real joker.

Alright.

and that’s how you disagree with a CRT by tackling the OP and not spam I disagree cuz it’s goes against my beliefs.

Seems like 90% of the OP is accurate, 95% if you count the blog and 100% if Kurono scaling is ever fixed. On to the next CRT.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Also if you want an “improvement”

everyone should get one more key with their respective AP and a Far higher rating.

Chapter 303 or 304 said something like

“everyone is already crazy strong and now they’re even stronger”

highlighting that even Captain Obi is who was powerless is now multicontinental (I’m joking but you get the point )

even Goatmaru

but they lose their pyrokinesis ofcourse

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far, and do you need some staff input here?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

What are the conclusions here so far, and do you need some staff input here?

95% of the OP has been agreed upon

we are waiting for a blog.
We have one more argument that probably needs staff input.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. If somebody writes easy to understand exolanations regarding what our staff need to evaluate here, I can call for a few of them afterwards.