the map in in size scale, so to use it to scale any size is wrong, this is the proposal of the thread
non sequitur, the kaioshin realm being doesn't change the fact the map is not in scale in the size department
We don't know if it dwarfs it or not
If basic things like king kai's planet and the snake way are so absurdlyout of scale, why should we trust that anything else is?
Ok
That's what I'm arguing against, yeah.
Well, if you agree that the map os not to scale, then you cannot use it to say to scale the size of the realms either, luckily the kaioshin realm has a statement of being 1/10 of the universe's size outside of the map
then i am very confused about your point, if you are not using the map to scale the sizes, they how can you use the map to scale the sizes?
Again, you have to prove that this was the intended result and not just the animators doing their thing, and considering that the manga explicitly shows the model for the macrocosm, I'm very doubtful of this.
Yet in the manga it's clear as day. And we use a composite cosmology.
Because we have actual statements to the actual size of everything else. We aren't just going off visuals.
It is the oposite, you have to prove this when nothing indicates it
Manga is not relevant for point 1 of the op
well, in this case it is very clear that both are different in this regard
Said statements were rejected in the last thread, the afterlife parts, and the kaioshin realm is not valid for the anime as it contradicted by the way the universe is portraited, for the manga tho we can still use it i believe
Yes it is.
We use a composite cosmology. Your entire argument is that things aren't to scale while trying to argue that the stuff in the images is to scale.
Point 1 is about the anime, not the manga
We can change that here no problem
No? When did i ever argue that the stuff in the images is to scale
yeah, for the kaioshin realm as the afterlife has no stated size in the main cannon
1 derailing 2 it wouldn't change anything since earth is still on the edge of the universe in both anime and manga of dbs, so the contradictions still exist, but let us not discuss this here, infinite universe is irrelevant to this thread
Omega we discussed the edge argument countlessly and it was debunked (unobservable and observable) are you really gonna start all of that over again? And yes this is relevant here since we have to replace this Calc by using stated sizes for the realms and it should be able to be used as long as there is no contradictions but don’t act like we didn’t discuss this in the other thread
We use a composite cosmology
That is stupid. If you want to change that, then do it separately. Don't resort to that just because it goes against your argument.
Check the OP
We did discuss it in the other thread, but the arguments were not refuted, in fact you agreed with me in discord about the anime universe not being infinite, that thread is still in motion so please stop derailing this thread with topics from another ongoing thread
I am proposing another structure for the universes in db, aka another cosmology thus this thread serves this purpose
Are you going to point it out like i asked or?
You interpreted it wrong I said that the argument could work for the anime if you take that as the real universe depiction but for the manga and toeiverse there’s no way you can deny it and I’m not detailing this is apart of the thread since this is dealing with changing the size of the universe and since the Calc isn’t good we use stated sizes and
This is not part of the thread, this thread is about removing the size contradicting map that is currently used in the calculations, the argument for the finite or infinite universes is irrelevant here and does not concern this thread's proposal, it is derailing, discuss this in the thread that is proposing it and not here
The map isn’t contradicting just inconsistent as a result the statements regarding the universes size should take place so I’m not derailing in any way and is appropriate for the topic
it is contradicting the sizes of the structures, the only statement regarding the size of the other dimensions is the 1/10 of the macrocosm one for the kaioshin realm, and even then in the proposal for the anime we would not consider that since if it was that big, we would have seen it in the numerous times universes are shown in the dbs anime, so it would only apply for the manga of dbs
yes you are, the argument for infinite universes or for finite universe are irrelevant for this thread, it changes nothing in any direction whatsoever, it is derailing to talk about it when there is already a thread to discuss it in the first place, please stop clogging the thread and making it longer, i am asking politely, but if you continue i will have no choice but to report you, i don't want to have to do that, so please stop
Yet we still use a composite cosmology, so this entire argument is moot
I’m just gonna let you know I wasn’t derailing I got it off of a staff thread I was reading that stated sizes are the highest authority in a staff discussing inconsistent sizes but since we are talking about it in another thread I’ll stop chatting about it but what I was saying was relevant to the thread so that would’ve been a false report
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this is not relevant to what i said tho?
This is extremely important, DD already commented and disagrees with this, we show arguments refuting the topic, DD presented it too, now we must wait for AKM to comment here, she and DD put the rule about. So that won't apply until she arrives.
DDM didn't disagreed, Toby.
She disagreed, my friend
Where?
Reread the first part, Reiner, when she mentioned this, she was talking about the path of the serpent, which is contradictory, which it really is, but in the work she mentions exactly its size, and the other kingdoms.
i was not talking it for it to be applied, just that it would need further discussion for the manga even if this thread is accepted, i was not asking it to be applied yet
At mano, the manga remains the same, since a map has been defined, and which does not refute anything, for now, don't mess with the manga.
I meant that the map can still be used to discern which realms are bigger than which (since the map does give heed to how their sizes compare in a more general sense of "what's bigger than what" relationship, hence the Kaioshin Realm being so much smaller than the Living Universe as it's established to be in canon) to get a general minimum size without considering any of it outright to scale.
I also think this (or even just 2.1x universal if we say Otherworld and the Living World are each 3-A and the Kaioshin Realm is 1/10th of a universe) is a perfect conservative replacement for the current calc.
