Dragon ball universe crt

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I also think this (or even just 2.1x universal if we say Otherworld and the Living World are each 3-A and the Kaioshin Realm is 1/10th of a universe) is a perfect conservative replacement for the current calc.

I think we can make CRT for another world to be considered as big as Universe all with work

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

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It's already been accepted as a universe in size for years, it's about toning down how many times above baseline 3-A it's been via pixel scaling from the map, which is being deemed unusable.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I only said I didn't disagree with the fact that the components inside the bubble contradict the size scale, I still think it should be used as a reference guide that Otherworld is indeed larger than the living universe and strongly disagree with just making the living universe the size of a baseline observable universe.

Meudeus, Do you agree that we make another CRT for another world to be larger in scale than the observed Universe with guide quotes stating?

 

[Reiner04]

I also think this (or even just 2.1x universal if we say Otherworld and the Living World are each 3-A and the Kaioshin Realm is 1/10th of a universe) is a perfect conservative replacement for the current calc.

Hmm, seems fine to me.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

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It's already been accepted as a universe in size for years, it's about toning down how many times above baseline 3-A it's been via pixel scaling from the map, which is being deemed unusable.

It's not anymore, Null took it out, saying that it comes from the anime, since it's not from the anime, three guides mention the size of the paradise of being Universal in size.

 

[Reiner04]

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Your opinion?

I meant that the map can still be used to discern which realms are bigger than which (since the map does give heed to how their sizes compare in a more general sense of "what's bigger than what" relationship, hence the Kaioshin Realm being so much smaller than the Living Universe as it's established to be in canon) to get a general minimum size without considering any of it outright to scale.

It seems fine to me.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

three guides mention the size of the paradise of being Universal in size.

Please, show me the three guides.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

It's not anymore, Null took it out, saying that it comes from the anime, since it's not from the anime, three guides mention the size of the paradise of being Universal in size.

Bro… that was never taken into account for the calc...

Please, show me the three guides.

DBS anime

 

[omegabronic]

gotta go sleep for now, gonna answer tomorrow

 

[omegabronic]

At mano, the manga remains the same, since a map has been defined, and which does not refute anything, for now, don't mess with the manga.

Ser point 2 of the op please, the map being the same doesn't change much

Forgot to post

I meant that the map can still be used to discern which realms are bigger than which (since the map does give heed to how their sizes compare in a more general sense of "what's bigger than what" relationship, hence the Kaioshin Realm being so much smaller than the Living Universe as it's established to be in canon) to get a general minimum size without considering any of it outright to scale.

Not gonna lie, this sounds like double standards, if the map has shown problems with the size scale of the stuff in it, why would the realms still be accurate in size? How can we trust the map with the size of the realms if it has things like king kai's planet at such tremendous discrapancy in size?

I only said I didn't disagree with the fact that the components inside the bubble contradict the size scale, I still think it should be used as a reference guide that Otherworld is indeed larger than the living universe and strongly disagree with just making the living universe the size of a baseline observable universe.

Why would the scale of the things in the map be out of scale, but the realms themselves not? Like, there is such discranpancy in size clear as day in the map, i really don't understand why would we arbitraraly choose what it is acurately depicting and what isn't when the map was never said to be made to scale anyway, if things like king kai's planet and the snake way are so abundantly wrong in scale, then there is no reason to not assume that the realms themselves are not also wrong in scale

I also think this (or even just 2.1x universal if we say Otherworld and the Living World are each 3-A and the Kaioshin Realm is 1/10th of a universe) is a perfect conservative replacement for the current calc.

Not for the anime tho, it straight up does not use the map at all

It's not anymore, Null took it out, saying that it comes from the anime, since it's not from the anime, three guides mention the size of the paradise of being Universal in size.

Only for the anime, we discussed it

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

1: this map is not consistent with dbs anime's visuals of how universes are, it is consistently shown to not look like the macrocosm map at all, so the calculations should be changed and be based on what the consistent map looks like instead of the macrocosm map, some may bring up the fact that the other dimensions of the universe like the afterlife and the kaioshin realm are not visible in the map used in the anime, for that i say:

they literally show this map in the DBS manga, though I agree it obviously shouldn't be pixel scaled.

However the spheres you're using to represent the universe are clearly representations too.

 

[omegabronic]

they literally show this map in the DBS manga, though I agree it obviously shouldn't be pixel scaled.

dbs manga=/=dbs anime

However the spheres you're using to represent the universe are clearly representations too.

says who? in the first scan, from when super shenron is being summoned, is clearly both universes, since we are seeing them from the outside perspective

 

[God900]

dbs manga=/=dbs anime

So you agree in not touching the manga and just focus on the anime?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I agree fra

 

[omegabronic]

So you agree in not touching the manga and just focus on the anime?

nope, have you not read the point 2 in the op?, i even highlighted it

 

[omegabronic]

bump

 

[ImmortalDread]

It's unclear whether we can attribute the lack of presentation status to the map or if the statements are not being utilized for cosmological purposes.

 

[omegabronic]

It's unclear whether we can attribute the lack of presentation status to the map or if the statements are not being utilized for cosmological purposes.

could you specify to what you are referring to?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

says who? in the first scan, from when super shenron is being summoned, is clearly both universes, since we are seeing them from the outside perspective

so we gonna ignore the kaioshin realm being 1/10th of the macrocosm, nice.
So lore that's been established for 30 years gets destroyed? Nice.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Something else you're ignoring is the universes are separate spacetimes. They are their own dimensions, which is well-established via lore, so clearly the spheres are representations. Also, they are so inconsistent too, that you can't help but think this is the case. In the super shenron thing they're shown to be closer than they have been established to be via lore.

 

[omegabronic]

so we gonna ignore the kaioshin realm being 1/10th of the macrocosm, nice.

if the visuals in super contradict that notion, then yes we will, but we still have to discuss that about the manga, because it seems okay to me at least

So lore that's been established for 30 years gets destroyed? Nice.

do you know what a retcon is?

Something else you're ignoring is the universes are separate spacetimes. They are their own dimensions, which is well-established via lore, so clearly the spheres are representations.

i don't see how any of that is relevant to my argument, specially point 2

Also, they are so inconsistent too, that you can't help but think this is the case. In the super shenron thing they're shown to be closer than they have been established to be via lore.

explain

 

[Tarang123]

if the visuals in super contradict that notion, then yes we will, but we still have to discuss that about the manga, because it seems okay to me at least

Statements go over visual representation, no? I thought this was already agreed upon

 

[Tarang123]

do you know what a retcon is?

You don't call something a retcon just cause of visuals lmao

 

[Golden_Void]

Has anyone mentioned anything about each of the universes fitting in their own sphere or what

 

[omegabronic]

Statements go over visual representation, no? I thought this was already agreed upon

Not when said statements are from secondary cannon and contradict a consistent way the series has shown how universes are, the series has priority over it

You don't call something a retcon just cause of visuals lmao

Yes we do, thisis how they are in cannon, besides we already using a visual anyway

Has anyone mentioned anything about each of the universes fitting in their own sphere or what

What do you mean?

 

[Golden_Void]

What do you mean?

Zeno's universe spheres

 

[omegabronic]

Zeno's universe spheres

I meant, what were you asking?

 

[Golden_Void]

I meant, what were you asking?

Each universe is visually represented by those sphere marbles, I think it was shown when super shenron was summoned between U6 and U7, which would set a limit to how big these universes are

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Closed, bubble universes with positive curvature, yes.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

do you know what a retcon is?

Yeah, a retcon is when an audience makes a bad explanation for a verse instead of ACTUALLY having a consistent explanation for a verse, and saying "X got retconned" instead of "I was wrong that time around." There are no contradictory pieces of evidence in subjective fiction, only contradictory interpretations.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

i don't see how any of that is relevant to my argument, specially point 2

They wouldn't be like 3d objects like spheres aligned in 3 dimensional space if that was the case? like.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Not when said statements are from secondary cannon and contradict a consistent way the series has shown how universes are, the series has priority over it

"secondary canon" just sounds like an arbitrary standard you made up to get your view above ours, eventhough it has less evidence for it.

 

[Damage3245]

"secondary canon" just sounds like an arbitrary standard you made up to get your view above ours, eventhough it has less evidence for it.

Check the page on Canon. Secondary canon is an accepted term.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Check the page on Canon. Secondary canon is an accepted term.

IMO that needs to change then, because I don't think that evidence is inherently above other because of being in guidebook form. Especially considering how guidebooks work culturally in japan aswell, and how authors use them.

 

[Hasty12345]

I’m still of the opinion the cosmology as shown in the DBS anime deviates heavily from the DBZ material and thus agree with this CRT.

 

[Damage3245]

IMO that needs to change then, because I don't think that evidence is inherently above other because of being in guidebook form. Especially considering how guidebooks work culturally in japan aswell, and how authors use them.

You'd have to get a staff discussion thread accepted on that.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I don't think that evidence is inherently above other because of being in guidebook form

What about when said information is written by a third party?

 

[omegabronic]

Yeah, a retcon is when an audience makes a bad explanation for a verse instead of ACTUALLY having a consistent explanation for a verse

no, retcon is when a verse changes previosly stablished story elements to another thing

, and saying "X got retconned" instead of "I was wrong that time around." There are no contradictory pieces of evidence in subjective fiction, only contradictory interpretations.

and this is why retcons exist, we blatantly see that the dbs anime does not use the map and that it uses a bubble with a cosmos as the universes, how can you say that it is my "bad interpretation" when it is something we clearly see?

They wouldn't be like 3d objects like spheres aligned in 3 dimensional space if that was the case? like.

who is to say that those are 3D objects?

"secondary canon" just sounds like an arbitrary standard you made up to get your view above ours, eventhough it has less evidence for it.

Check the page on Canon. Secondary canon is an accepted term.

IMO that needs to change then, because I don't think that evidence is inherently above other because of being in guidebook form. Especially considering how guidebooks work culturally in japan aswell, and how authors use them.

the series itself always takes precedence over anything that is just adding to it, the same logic applies to WoG, if it contradicts the main material, we don't use

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

What about when said information is written by a third party?

doesn't matter, still a part of the published series, Dragon ball.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

doesn't matter, still a part of the published series, Dragon ball.

Neko Majin Z is, too.