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But the planet Kai are in scale yes, is said to have 1/10 Living universe and another world, and the path of the serpent has its own scale, which in size is defined by constructions.
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Dragon ball universe crt
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i was talking about king kai's planet, also that is talking about the kaioshin realm, not the planet inside of it
i didn't understood what you just said
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Long story short, the globe showing components in the bubbles shouldn't be used for reference, just the realms themselves. Us seeing to components simply exist to give us depictions of what is in those realms. Otherworld clearly consists of a lot more than just Snake Way which is clearly a spec compared to the rest of Otherworld. It also contains Heaven which admittedly doesn't have the most consistent size and not going to vouch it being wider than the living universe, but it should still be large enough to contain the combined population at least and thus larger than the largest living world planet. Though it does circle an even larger star that is otherwise uber giant for star standards. With Hell being much larger than either of those and has multiple statements about being larger than the universe (And it would have to be since the population always rises and never decreases unlike the living world having a population that can go back and forth. But the point still stands.
And even without Otherworld, the "Edge of the Universe" detail is still only a simple fact. While it doesn't prove exact size of the living universe, it still needs to be accounted for since Line A to B is still 47 billion light years at minimum and insignificant compared to line B to C; point A being northern edge of the universe, point B being Earth, and point C being the southern edge of the universe. It's just consistent measure with the afterlife comparison globe.
And even without Otherworld, the "Edge of the Universe" detail is still only a simple fact. While it doesn't prove exact size of the living universe, it still needs to be accounted for since Line A to B is still 47 billion light years at minimum and insignificant compared to line B to C; point A being northern edge of the universe, point B being Earth, and point C being the southern edge of the universe. It's just consistent measure with the afterlife comparison globe.
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Why doesn't that apply to the living world too?
Which lines are you referring to which have to be 47 billion light years?
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if things like the components of the afterlife are not in scale, why would the realms themselves be? it seems arbitrary to desconsider only specific parts of the map, if the components are out of scale, logically everything also would be
that is an okay assumption i guess
what is the source for this? do we have any information regarding the otherworld star?
such statements were rejected in an earlier thread and are currently not accepted in the canon cosmology
yeah, the final results will still be above the baseline i am sure, there is a calc about the destruction being slightly above 3 times baseline
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The minimum distance between Earth and the "Edge of the Universe". On all corners, the Earth at bare minimum needs to be that far away from the edge of the universe and Bulma literally states in the manga that the observable is merely a spec compared to how big the rest of the universe is. Toriyama himself also states that the Dragon Ball living universe is at least as big as our universe. And since the observable universe is at least 94 billion lightyears and diameter, the actual universe would need to be much larger.
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Those are just common bubble reflections in fiction. There are plenty of verses that use bubbles to demonstrate the "Many universes" and often times all we see outside the bubbles is just someone's face; that doesn't mean we assume universe sized person.
But in Dragon Ball's case, the actual realms are still consistent with the statements such as afterlife being larger than living universe and Realm of the Kai's being 1/10th the size or something like that.
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could you show a scan of this statement? but i guess we could put an "At least" before the ratings and be good
i don't see how does that correlates to what i asked
the map contradicts that since both are of the same size in it, but anyway the map and the statements are different things, if the informations in regard to size in the map are clearly wrong, then we discard the map and use those statements instead without using the map to cal the distance
yeah that can be kept i guess
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It seems like the best solution is to just treat the living world as being as big as our Universe.
Where does Bulma say that the Observable Universe is merely a spec?
Why would this be the case? We've been given no reason to indicate that the edges of the Dragon Ball universe are visible, or if that if you just travel "up" far enough you'll be able to fly to Heaven. The interior of the living world shouldn't have any bearing on the size of the exterior Universe.
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I am getting ready for work again, but it was shown in a lot of threads. I could dig up an old thread again to find it unless someone else already posts it by the time I do.
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Actually, I found it via a google search, she says it here.
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she doesn't say anything about the observable being merely a spec compared to the rest of the universe in this scan thoActually, I found it via a google search, she says it here.
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This is not a rule, yet. You actually reminded me to remind Ant to evaluate it. Thanks. :3
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Rule has been long broken when universe was argued to be infinite in size in a staff discussion forum itself and Ant gave a permission for it. Anyway, staff can do that, given that it's no less than 3 staff members.
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I meant by, Damage reminded of my last staff thread, lol. I never said he is wrong.
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Thinking about it, when do we see the Afterlife in the manga/DBS?
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He is shown briefly in chapter 16 of the manga and in the first few chapters of the manga, where Goku trains there.
Edit, edit, edit= I forgot to mention that Top is also shown, where Freeza gets his own earth-based hell with cute little fairies
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I already addressed that and like DDM said above the living universe would at minimum be as big as our world from how Toriyama describes it and the afterlife is depicted as shortly bigger and the Kaioshin realm being a 10th of both realms combined so the sizes of the realm are consistent the only inconsistencies like AKM has said are the things within afterlife which again as said are only slightly bigger to depict where places in the afterlife are so they shouldn’t have an effect on the calcs so as I explained earlier the realms sizes are consistent just not the things within the afterlife which have a reason to being ignored
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which is what was suggested in the op yes
when? i am sure that such statements were already rejected in an earlier thread
yeah this is not changing for the op proposals outside of the anime proposal
if the map shows inconsistencies in sizes, then we can't use the size of the distances to calculate
define "slightly" a 1.000.000km long path being 2x the universe in height if put horizontally is anything but slight
you would need to provide scans for thing like the afterlife, i am pretty sure we already rejected these statements
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She specifically states attempting to observe the entire universe from earth is impossible due to "Living at the edge of the universe" and that they'd need to move to the center of the universe to do so.
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So one proposal is that Size of U7 should be taken as same as the Size of Observable Universe, @omegabronic ?
And other proposal is that we should take the size to be..?
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Just a heads up, being "The same size as our universe" =/= same size as the observable universe. Since IRL, Observable universe is just a spec compared to how big the actual universe is which would be up to like 10^23 times the diameter or even infinite.
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No you’re trying to default the entire macrocosm to the size of the observable universe that’s mad downplay
as I’ve established before the sizes of the realms are consistent it’s just the things inside the afterlife which are bigger to pinpoint the locations so the Calc isn’t used to scale things in the afterlife and Vice versa but the living universe was calced and that was used to Calc the entire afterlife and the kaioshin realm the inconsistent size depictions aren’t used in the Calc and only the consistent ones are used like I’ve explained and AKM explained
also what statements are you referring to?
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There is no given reason for why the size of the interior of the living world lines up with the distance between two points outside of the living world.
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I don’t understand what you mean by that
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He said that there is no reason that the inside of the living world has something to do with the distance between two points outside of it.
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for the anime the proposal is to just take as the size of the observable universe, for the manga the same thing, but i guess we can ad the "kaioshin realm 1/10 of the universe's size" since there is no contradictions to it on contrary to the anime, but i am not 100% sure on that and would like to hear more opinions from users and staff about it first before deciding anything personally
which means that from the edge of the universe to the other side is too big to measure, but that says nothing about how big the observable universe is in comparison to the whole universe, we don't have any proof of an observable universe at all for that matter
yeah but the observable universe is the safe standard low ball, no?
that is a safe low ball based on what we know of it
and i asked for the sources for the information since i am sure we rejected them in a an earlier thread, could you please provide the source
you didn't answered my question, why would the things in the afterlife be out of scale and the realms not? answer this directly please
it is using the proportions and sizes provided by the map, which has notorious inconsistencies in size, so to use it to calc the distance between, say, the kaioshin realm and the living universe is not valid since the sizes are shown to be wrong in the map, give me a solid reason why would everything in the map be out of scale but not the realms, other statements of size aside, since the contradiction is also in the distance between them
see here https://vsbattles.com/threads/real-quick-dragon-ball-thing.150072/
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This, yeah.
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I change my mind to disagree, we should consider the map to scale and downgrade the universe size to 4-B due to snakeway being drawn to scale with the living universe.
also, Goku’s height should be downscaled proportionally to like atomic in size
also, Goku’s height should be downscaled proportionally to like atomic in size
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Please don't waste our time with jokes, I've already issued a warning on this thread for that.
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And all the supporters should agree as it’s what they’re arguing for
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Bro it’s literally what they spent 2 pages arguing in support of, there’s no jokes here
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Nobody is arguing for that.
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What the hell are you talking about? no one argued for that at all
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It’s literally the consequences of taking the map to scale
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So wait, are you agreeing with the thread then? Because to negate the map to scale is the purpose of the thread
For manga, none for the universe and afterlife, but i guess we can use the "kaioshin realm 1/10 of the macrocosm" statement, but for anime we have the maps shown and linked in the op
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Guidebook statements concerning size as long as they're not contradicted.
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I don’t see the issue with 3-A Afterlife remaining based off the map literally depicting it to be bigger than the Living Universe, it’s a pretty straightforward Occam’s Razor when considering that the map does take into consideration how the realms correspond in size hence the Kaioshin Realm being so much smaller than the Living Universe. Doubly so when considering that the Afterlife dwarfs the Kaioshin Realm which is at least 1/10th of a universe in size.
Not everything has to be perfectly to scale in order for the map to deliver a more general “this is bigger than that” dichotomy for the realms.
The rest of the map like the distance between the realms and exact pixel scaling done with it should probably be discarded as not to scale though.
Not everything has to be perfectly to scale in order for the map to deliver a more general “this is bigger than that” dichotomy for the realms.
The rest of the map like the distance between the realms and exact pixel scaling done with it should probably be discarded as not to scale though.
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