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Dragon ball universe crt
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@LuffyRuffy46307 tone the behavior down right now. If you don’t apologize and make an effort to act more mature over a CRT you will be reported, is that clear?
As for the thread itself, with some of the newer info to retcon the universe globe looks, plus the inconsistency with the scale for snake way and king Kai’s planet, I’d be fine with that being removed when it comes to scaling Dragon Ball’s universe, and would just use the observable universe as the basis unless there’s other sources we can use that isn’t contradicted.
As for the thread itself, with some of the newer info to retcon the universe globe looks, plus the inconsistency with the scale for snake way and king Kai’s planet, I’d be fine with that being removed when it comes to scaling Dragon Ball’s universe, and would just use the observable universe as the basis unless there’s other sources we can use that isn’t contradicted.
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Thank you for commenting. That makes three staff members currently in favor of removing it.
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I already lost excuses, I did not know that this was something aggressive.
But anyway the topic was refuted, there is another DBS guide where it shows the same map of the macrocosm, this is just observed living Universe, it doesn't show the totality of the macrocosm.
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Before you agree with everything presented, read the counter arguments, where this topic was refuted, and to clarify one thing, this is one of the rules that AKM made, and the same arguments were used to lower the back.
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Snakeway is shown to show the locations of the afterlife and isn’t used in the calculation AKM states the only things that matter are the realms themselves
Because the things are that big to show the locations of them but as said doesn’t influence the calculations
The globe isn’t retconned and the argument that the kaioshin realm and afterlife are one of those specs of light is wrong when the kaioshin realm is shown orbiting around the macrocosm and is stated to be the size of a tenth of the living universe and afterlife combined
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they weren't, i made that very clear in page one
Nullflowerblush
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What is that book exactly?
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which is the thing getting targeted here
yes they do
again, this is covered in the op, read point 2, even if the globe is used, it still brings contradictions in sizes and as such, can't be used in calculation due to that
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/guides/gods/universe/universe_10.png
it is only ever shown orbiting in the macrocosm map, show where in the actual series does it shown itself orbiting it
which is clearly not the case in dbs anime when we actually see the universe from outside, it is either too small to be seen from outside, or one of the cosmic objects pointed in the op is it, i would go with the former just to be safe tho
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well, you two are the calc members that commented on this, are any of you willing to do the recalcs? or should we call some other calc group member?
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I only did the stuff involving the macrocosm.
Though even then characters would still be far above baseline thanks to inverse-square law and given that Earth is at the far edge of the universe. Speed feats get halved as a result I believe. The current diameter is just 2x over the regular size IIRC.
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Calm down, you have to wait 48 hours, and the counterarguments are coming, no need to introduce yourself, lol
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I'm pretty sure staff can give permission to users to create a topic that is normally against discussion rules.
I give permission for omegabronic's thread to continue and I think the topic is seriously worth exploring instead of trying to shut it down from the onset.
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I thought the map was just a reference, like heaven would be here, hell here, and so on. Not an actual visual shot of the universe. I'm honesty fine with using the normal universe since we actual see it looks like the normal universe in DBS but really, I don't much have time for heavy DB revisions like this though.
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Okay, but AKM still has to come here, she made this rule and knows the verse, so wait a little longer.
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We're not in a rush for it to be applied. There has to be a minimum of 48 hours that pass anyway.
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This is a Dragon Ball thread, so it's not going to be applied in any sense of the word even beyond the 48-hour grace period unless it has DDM and AKM comment, given the volatility of the nature of the feat itself and the verse as a whole.
So y'all can wait and not worry about things being bullrushed.
So y'all can wait and not worry about things being bullrushed.
Nullflowerblush
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You guys wanna grab lunch?
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okay, thank you for the input, do you believe that we could use one of these for the recalc of the anime if it comes down to it?
more in favor of using the first image of this one below, since it is when we see it the closest and the most detailed
thank you Damage, that was a mistake on my part, I should have asked for permission first before doing the thread, welp every day a new lesson learned i guess
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None of this is needed to make an actual calculation. I think I already redid it with the manga Zamasu calculation, just copypaste that shit and call it a day.
Goku would obviously scale 8x above baseline 3-A as a result of the denser, 2x more powerful Energy Ball that Beerus tossed at him so you can carry out the scaling chain shenanigans from there onwards.
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was your recalc using just the basic observable universe assumption instead of the radius gotten by calculating the macrocosm map?
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Yes.
DBS (Manga) - Merged Zamasu gets angry
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You can ignore the map in the calc above, I dumped it and just used full diameter of the IRL universe because of the Earth being at the edge and all.
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oh, that is good then, should i link it in the op for easy access?Yes.
DBS (Manga) - Merged Zamasu gets angry
You can ignore the map in the calc above, I dumped it and just used full diameter of the IRL universe because of the Earth being at the edge and all.
altho, the speed calculation should also be recalced since it uses the earlier macrocosm map
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LMAO, just divide 8.8e+26 m by 30 seconds and you get 2.9333333e+25 m/s and you get 97.85-ish quadrillion times FTL. Speed only gets halved, so not that big of a difference.
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huh, okay then, but that should probably be put on a blog for evaluation first
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I think the point about them being different spaces is a better argument for downgrading the calcs instead of the size of the other dimensions. 4-C Afterlife is pretty excessive when considering that the map does still take account how the realms themselves correlate in size (not the landmarks) and having it dwarf the Kaioshin Realm and mirror outer space itself in size.
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Bro what??? 4-C afterlife wtf is going on
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if elements from it are out of scale, why would the size of the realms be?
as above, we don't know their sizes based on the series itself, and the map of the macrocosm is clearly out of scale in size
"Proposal for the anime: simply use the images we have of the universe showed in the anime alongside the basic assumption of the observable universe, and make estimates for the sizes of the other dimensions based on what we know of them, which is that we at least know that they have a star in them
Proposal for the db manga: i guess we can only use the basic observable universe assumption and go on from there, but i believe the logic for the other dimensions proposed above could be used as well"
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That “star” in the afterlife is stated to be bigger than most of the observable/known living universe
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The landmarks are only there as locational indicators, they don't discredit the outline of the cosmology as a whole. It's really weird that Toriyama would just arbitrarily draw the Afterlife equal in size to outer space and way bigger than the Kai Realm (which has numerous stars) while it's supposedly a 4-C structure, especially since the size of the Kai Realm does show that the map pays attention to detail on the matter of how the dimensions correlate in size (i.e. the Kai Realm being much smaller than outer space).
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btw, isn't the method used to calc the bog feat different in the manga? so it should also be changed, no?
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Isn't this from that Dragon Ball RPG game that is totally disregarded?
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that scan is from a table board game, i don't think that we even allow it for anything, besides in the anime we don't see a massive sun in the universe from outside, so it gets contradicted either way
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If you know it needs to be changed, why the need to ask me? Just divide the energy yield by the accepted timeframe.
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sorry, it is just that i am not a calc member and don't know how to do calcs, i was just asking to be sure, didn't mean to annoy, sorry
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I don't really agree with the OP but I am exhausted with all the constant Dragon Ball threads.
But anyway, I don't disagree that things such as Snake Way is inconsistent and that the globe isn't really showing you an accurate depiction of what the entirety of Otherworld looks from a distance. However, some aspects are consistent such as the fact that the living universe alone would have to be much bigger than the observable universe as Earth is located in the center of the own observable universe. Likewise, even that is still a spec compared to how large the universe actually is with earth in Dragon Ball being located closer to the edge of the universe. Likewise, Otherworld by extension is officially larger than the living universe.
And AKM sama has already addressed the numerous points people have against the common concerns.
But anyway, I don't disagree that things such as Snake Way is inconsistent and that the globe isn't really showing you an accurate depiction of what the entirety of Otherworld looks from a distance. However, some aspects are consistent such as the fact that the living universe alone would have to be much bigger than the observable universe as Earth is located in the center of the own observable universe. Likewise, even that is still a spec compared to how large the universe actually is with earth in Dragon Ball being located closer to the edge of the universe. Likewise, Otherworld by extension is officially larger than the living universe.
And AKM sama has already addressed the numerous points people have against the common concerns.
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consistent with what exactly? Earth being on the edge of the universe doesn't mean much for its size
i don't understand how Earth being close to the edge changes anything, could you explain please?
is it? what is the source for this information?
did he? could you show it?
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