Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[SwordLegendz01]

Super Saiyan: More Than Just Useless Transformation

In the battle between Gohan and Lavender in Dragon Ball Super, there is an indication that Saiyans, particularly in their Super Saiyan form, have the ability to determine their opponent's movements by bouncing their energy like an active radar. This occurs when Gohan couldn't use his sight due...

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[RigelBR7]

Does anyone know where I can find Dragon Ball Z movies with subtitles?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Super Saiyan: More Than Just Useless Transformation

In the battle between Gohan and Lavender in Dragon Ball Super, there is an indication that Saiyans, particularly in their Super Saiyan form, have the ability to determine their opponent's movements by bouncing their energy like an active radar. This occurs when Gohan couldn't use his sight due...

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Now that I see that, I thought someone was going to make a Saiyan physiology page.

 

[RedReaper616]

Okay, I finally found the scan. The amp Goku got to beat Broly from his friends was noted to be 1000x...

...To his Courage.

They (YT Powerscalers) LIED to me.

(I mean unless the idea is through how cheering someone on can grant you more strength from that Toriyama interview, in which case increasing Courage increases Power...? Doubt it.)

 

[Prime2024]

Gohan in Sparking Zero (what if) is strong af, and I love how he balanced training with work. The fact that he defeated opponents at SSJB levels due to his hard work makes his story feel so satisfying. I absolutely love it. The only part that didn't fully make sense was when he beat Golden Frieza out of pure anger, but other than that, it's amazing.

 

[Ednaxel2]

(I mean unless the idea is through how cheering someone on can grant you more strength from that Toriyama interview, in which case increasing Courage increases Power...? Doubt it.)

iicr, one time against Frieza in the anime, Goku could momentarily fight him in base after being encouraged, even after Frieza started using 50%

 

[RedReaper616]

iicr, one time against Frieza in the anime, Goku could momentarily fight him in base after being encouraged, even after Frieza started using 50%

I'm pretty sure that was simply Goku drawing in more power from within himself due to experiencing a "vision" of what would happen if he lost.

That said, given Courage is literally a part of Ki, you might be able to argue this is literal. Especially since it's also about how Goku beat Broly, which was a power amp he got from the rest of the Z-Fighters.

 

[Omegabronic]

(I mean unless the idea is through how cheering someone on can grant you more strength from that Toriyama interview, in which case increasing Courage increases Power...? Doubt it.)

i mean.....if we have any statement saying it is equivalent like that, for example "2x courage = 2x more power"

 

[Prime2024]

Gohan in Sparking Zero (what if) is strong af, and I love how he balanced training with work. The fact that he defeated opponents at SSJB levels due to his hard work makes his story feel so satisfying. I absolutely love it. The only part that didn't fully make sense was when he beat Golden Frieza out of pure anger, but other than that, it's amazing.

Anyway I would love to delete DBS Gohan profite and replace it with this one

 

[VinnyXD]

Part of the rework is literally just trying to get the Anime Profile up to par with the Manga’s, since some abilities they share from even the same just don’t even have justifications or as good ones as their canon counterpart, which is part of reason it’s taking awhile. This is what it looks like currently.

Yeah that looks really good also I remember Goku climb a glass building in he's battle with Syn that's surface scaling

 

[VinnyXD]

If you take a look at the Dragon Ball Z: Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans you will find some cool hash, like death manipulation that causes some branches and other living beings to die

Death Manipulation, Biological Manipulation and Power Nullification

 

[Nullflowerblush]

In DBZ 118, Piccolo describes Goku and Frieza's power as "beyond [Gohan's, Krillin's, and his own] realms of comprehension".
I wonder if that could be used to apply a potential multiplier.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Hm, curiously, the Super Kamehameha that Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Adult) has in Sparking! ZERO is the Electric Kamehameha he used against Buu's Sealed Ball.
Although, then again, his Super Saiyan form has the Bros. Kamehameha.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I had the most insane realization

A powerful sayain could survive the destruction of the space time of there universe.

Only to suffocate in the void remaining.

 

[Hasty12345]

I had the most insane realization

A powerful sayain could survive the destruction of the space time of there universe.

Only to suffocate in the void remaining.

Feats would tell you Saiyans only need oxygen when it exists. Apparently in voids where oxygen is erased on a historical level, Saiyans don’t need oxygen.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Feats would tell you Saiyans only need oxygen when it exists. Apparently in voids where oxygen is erased on a historical level, Saiyans don’t need oxygen.

That is...

Something we should add to the profile because it was a tangible discussion point in the princess vs goku

 

[Ednaxel2]

Something we should add to the profile because it was a tangible discussion point in the princess vs goku

That's still going on???

 

[Fezzih_007]

That's still going on???

No.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

That's still going on???

Well it was happening, not still

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can we talk about the cracked cocaine power scaling in some of Sparking Zero's what ifs?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Can we talk about the cracked cocaine power scaling in some of Sparking Zero's what ifs?

Mr Satan killing buu and all the super villains??

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

iicr, one time against Frieza in the anime, Goku could momentarily fight him in base after being encouraged, even after Frieza started using 50%

When?

 

[RedReaper616]

When?

Pretty sure he's referring to the Kaioken x20 moment, which is why I replied "I believe that's Goku just pulling more power out of himself in desparation after witnessing the vision-like consequence of Frieza's actions."

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Mr Satan killing buu and all the super villains??

No, I mean the actual What Ifs in the story modes. Like RoF Frieza managing to beat Goku and Vegeta, leading to a significantly stronger Frieza and Frieza Force that enter the ToP and end up sweeping the whole thing with little issues. Hell, it actively shows Base Frieza manhandling GoD Toppo in one of the cutscenes before he fights and beats Jiren in Golden.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Pretty sure he's referring to the Kaioken x20 moment, which is why I replied "I believe that's Goku just pulling more power out of himself in desparation after witnessing the vision-like consequence of Frieza's actions."

Nah it wasn't that, when I find the clip I'll send it

 

[BlastX]

Hm, curiously, the Super Kamehameha that Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Adult) has in Sparking! ZERO is the Electric Kamehameha he used against Buu's Sealed Ball.
Although, then again, his Super Saiyan form has the Bros. Kamehameha.

That always was the case since Tenkaichi 3 at least.

 

[Vizer04]

Could a Toei Beerus profile exist?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Wouldn't that just be the current Beerus profile we have given it's only for the toei anime version of Super? Which on a related note, I was kinda surprised to see we don't have a DBS Manga profile for Beerus.

 

[Nierre]

Why is DBS Vegeta's Battle Armor render so dirty lol, do we not have a normal render for him

 

[RedReaper616]

So I’ve rewatched the Original Plan and I think I was certainly, most definitely wrong in saying we should ignore Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, because the Original is both very poorly made and lacking a lot of context due to just how much information we’re lacking from the Original Game, which it acts as a guide to. Both instead. Please, both. Would make my life waaaay easier.

 

[Spinoirr]

Idk why we don't use the accepted ssj God multiplier for the Super manga tbh

 

[Vizer04]

Wouldn't that just be the current Beerus profile we have given it's only for the toei anime version of Super? Which on a related note, I was kinda surprised to see we don't have a DBS Manga profile for Beerus.

It could potentially involve stuff from GT as well, the BoG and RoF movies are not canon to the DBS anime.

 

[RedReaper616]

Actually, another thing—From what I remember, Ednaxel was going to make the Toei Z Goku Profile be split into two parts. I think he was onto something there.

Early Z—Covering the Dead Zone, Saiyan, World’s Strongest, Tree of Might, Lord Slug, Frieza, Garlic Jr., Cooler’s Revenge, Android and Return of Cooler Sagas.

Late Z—Covering Super Android 13, Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, Cell, Bojack Unbound, Second Coming, Bio-Broly, Fusion Reborn, Buu, and Wrath of Dragon Sagas.

Twenty “Sagas” split across the two profiles. Or we could take the Tenkaichi route and try to split it three ways.

 

[Spinoirr]

Actually, another thing—From what I remember, Ednaxel was going to make the Toei Z Goku Profile be split into two parts. I think he was onto something there.

Early Z—Covering the Dead Zone, Saiyan, World’s Strongest, Tree of Might, Lord Slug, Frieza, Garlic Jr., Cooler’s Revenge, Android and Return of Cooler Sagas.

Late Z—Covering Super Android 13, Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, Cell, Bojack Unbound, Second Coming, Bio-Broly, Fusion Reborn, Buu, and Wrath of Dragon Sagas.

Twenty “Sagas” split across the two profiles. Or we could take the Tenkaichi route and try to split it three ways.

Goku Mid becomes real

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I vote for the Tenkaichi route.

 

[BlastX]

I vote for the Tenkaichi route.

Toei Goku (Early): Dead Zone up until Lord Slug (since Goku early fights Lord Slug in 3)

Toei Goku (Mid): Freezer all the way until he enters the Time Chamber (That's where the cut off to Goku Mid works in 3)

Toei Goku (End): Cell Games and beyond.

 

[Huesito88]

Can't wait for Ultra Supervillain Vegeta to come to Sparking Zero

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Can we talk about the cracked cocaine power scaling in some of Sparking Zero's what ifs?

Goku steps in before Piccolo is incapacitated by Imperfect Cell and ends up defeating Cell,—in base form,—before running the gauntlet against the three Androids,—in base form,—all the while claiming he is inferior to the likes of Android 18.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Goku steps in before Piccolo is incapacitated by Imperfect Cell and ends up defeating Cell,—in base form,—before running the gauntlet against the three Androids,—in base form,—all the while claiming he is inferior to the likes of Android 18.

skill issues

 

[RedReaper616]

If we’re splitting it into 3, I think Early should end on the Frieza Saga.

Then Mid would be Garlic Jr.—Cell Sagas.

End would be Bojack onward.