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Death Manipulation, Biological Manipulation and Power Nullification
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Nullflowerblush
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In DBZ 118, Piccolo describes Goku and Frieza's power as "beyond [Gohan's, Krillin's, and his own] realms of comprehension".
I wonder if that could be used to apply a potential multiplier.
I wonder if that could be used to apply a potential multiplier.
Nullflowerblush
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Hm, curiously, the Super Kamehameha that Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Adult) has in Sparking! ZERO is the Electric Kamehameha he used against Buu's Sealed Ball.
Although, then again, his Super Saiyan form has the Bros. Kamehameha.
Although, then again, his Super Saiyan form has the Bros. Kamehameha.
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I had the most insane realization
A powerful sayain could survive the destruction of the space time of there universe.
Only to suffocate in the void remaining.
A powerful sayain could survive the destruction of the space time of there universe.
Only to suffocate in the void remaining.
Hasty12345
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Feats would tell you Saiyans only need oxygen when it exists. Apparently in voids where oxygen is erased on a historical level, Saiyans don’t need oxygen.
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That is...
Something we should add to the profile because it was a tangible discussion point in the princess vs goku
StarShooter80
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That's still going on???
Fezzih_007
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Well it was happening, not still
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Can we talk about the cracked cocaine power scaling in some of Sparking Zero's what ifs?
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Mr Satan killing buu and all the super villains??
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When?
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Pretty sure he's referring to the Kaioken x20 moment, which is why I replied "I believe that's Goku just pulling more power out of himself in desparation after witnessing the vision-like consequence of Frieza's actions."
XSOULOFCINDERX
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No, I mean the actual What Ifs in the story modes. Like RoF Frieza managing to beat Goku and Vegeta, leading to a significantly stronger Frieza and Frieza Force that enter the ToP and end up sweeping the whole thing with little issues. Hell, it actively shows Base Frieza manhandling GoD Toppo in one of the cutscenes before he fights and beats Jiren in Golden.
StarShooter80
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Nah it wasn't that, when I find the clip I'll send it
BlastX
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That always was the case since Tenkaichi 3 at least.
Dust_Collector
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Wouldn't that just be the current Beerus profile we have given it's only for the toei anime version of Super? Which on a related note, I was kinda surprised to see we don't have a DBS Manga profile for Beerus.
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So I’ve rewatched the Original Plan and I think I was certainly, most definitely wrong in saying we should ignore Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, because the Original is both very poorly made and lacking a lot of context due to just how much information we’re lacking from the Original Game, which it acts as a guide to. Both instead. Please, both. Would make my life waaaay easier.
Vizer04
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It could potentially involve stuff from GT as well, the BoG and RoF movies are not canon to the DBS anime.
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Actually, another thing—From what I remember, Ednaxel was going to make the Toei Z Goku Profile be split into two parts. I think he was onto something there.
Early Z—Covering the Dead Zone, Saiyan, World’s Strongest, Tree of Might, Lord Slug, Frieza, Garlic Jr., Cooler’s Revenge, Android and Return of Cooler Sagas.
Late Z—Covering Super Android 13, Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, Cell, Bojack Unbound, Second Coming, Bio-Broly, Fusion Reborn, Buu, and Wrath of Dragon Sagas.
Twenty “Sagas” split across the two profiles. Or we could take the Tenkaichi route and try to split it three ways.
Early Z—Covering the Dead Zone, Saiyan, World’s Strongest, Tree of Might, Lord Slug, Frieza, Garlic Jr., Cooler’s Revenge, Android and Return of Cooler Sagas.
Late Z—Covering Super Android 13, Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, Cell, Bojack Unbound, Second Coming, Bio-Broly, Fusion Reborn, Buu, and Wrath of Dragon Sagas.
Twenty “Sagas” split across the two profiles. Or we could take the Tenkaichi route and try to split it three ways.
Spinoirr
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Goku Mid becomes real
Eden_Warlock99
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I vote for the Tenkaichi route.
BlastX
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Toei Goku (Early): Dead Zone up until Lord Slug (since Goku early fights Lord Slug in 3)
Toei Goku (Mid): Freezer all the way until he enters the Time Chamber (That's where the cut off to Goku Mid works in 3)
Toei Goku (End): Cell Games and beyond.
Nullflowerblush
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Goku steps in before Piccolo is incapacitated by Imperfect Cell and ends up defeating Cell,—in base form,—before running the gauntlet against the three Androids,—in base form,—all the while claiming he is inferior to the likes of Android 18.
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skill issues
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If we’re splitting it into 3, I think Early should end on the Frieza Saga.
Then Mid would be Garlic Jr.—Cell Sagas.
End would be Bojack onward.
Then Mid would be Garlic Jr.—Cell Sagas.
End would be Bojack onward.
BlastX
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If we're gonna split them into Early-Mid-End there's no point if it doesn't match Tenkaichi 3.
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I 100% support this THIS
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Is he pure enough? (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vs Dragon Ball)
JONATHAN JOESTAR VS SPIKE THE DEVIL MAN Pre-Deep Pass Overdrive Key used JoJo scales to 0.4 Tons of TNT Spike scales to higher than 1.45 Tons of TN Speed Equalized SBA Jonathan Joestar: Spike the Devil Man: Incon:
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Tenkaichi was only balancing the main Sagas compared to twenty thanks to films one, two I’m suggesting it to limit the clutter on the profiles, THREE this DOES split them in the Tenkaichi Method, focusing on the Saiyan-Frieza Sagas, Android-Cell Sagas, and the Buu Saga respectively. Were merely adjusting to account for the additional information created by the Toei Continuity.
BlastX
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But Tenkaichi 3 does take into account all the sagas, it's basically Toeiverse the game (hell SSJ3 Goku's Ultimate is the Dragon Fist)
And to be more accurate, Early is Saiyan saga only (up to Lord Slug), Mid is Freezer up to early Cell Saga (Basically Mid ends once he enter the time chamber, which is a decent cut off point) while End is after he gets out of the Time Chamber onwards.
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Whilst it does take into account the Sagas, you’re attempting to equate individual moves (often very minor) and character placement use compared to indexing every single thing about them in one gigantic list, which Tenkaichi 3 doesn’t do. It’s not only not the same, it’s substantially easier if we try NOT to concentrate a large quantity of arcs onto a specific one and create additional bloat.
Considering Early also can have moves like the KK Times 20 and Large Spirit Bomb, no. It’s the Namek-Frieza Saga too. Just him without SSJ.
BlastX
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No, In was talking about Tenkaichi 3, Early Goku only has the Kaioken Attack he used against Vegeta and the Spirit Bomb he used against Wheelo, Turles and Slug (as in the one he tried to use against Vegeta but this time he could land it first time).
Goku Mid is the one with the Kaioken Times x20 Kamehameha and the Large Spirit Bomb.
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Ah. Raging Blast is the one with that, then. This doesn’t change how you’re creating artificial bloat we don’t need, though. It’s better to divide more evenly than to try and force an iteration to hold extra unnecessary arcs and create a hassle for profile formatting. And, given how “Early” Goku has been remodeled timeline/moveset wise in later DBZ Games (RB, SZ, FighterZ), I don’t see why we’d adhere to BT3. The whole point is convenience and ease of formatting, not to mimic the game itself.
BlastX
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Ranging Blast doesn't have an Early Goku, he doesn't have multiple Goku's at all so IDK why you brought him up.
I mean from what I seen Sparking Zero still keeps the same separation as shown by their normal unedited movesets look like (Early Goku is still Saiyan Saga while Mid Goku is Freeza-Early Cell saga, though he doesn't do anything noteworthy outside the movies in that latter time period so his moveset is just Freeza saga).
It's late so I'm going to sleep soon but maybe personally I don't see the bloat, Early cvoers a good chunk with the Saiyan Saga stuff and Mid covers...well I can't recall of the top of my head RN but it shouldn't be that many, while End probably covers the bulk, dunno maybe it doesn't feel like bloat to me, but then again I'm sleepy.
And I feel if you're trying to stick to Tenkaichi then it would be ideal to actually commit to it, kinda like how Sparking Zero basically has a lot of character moveset being a BT3 exact copy but in HD.
I mean from what I seen Sparking Zero still keeps the same separation as shown by their normal unedited movesets look like (Early Goku is still Saiyan Saga while Mid Goku is Freeza-Early Cell saga, though he doesn't do anything noteworthy outside the movies in that latter time period so his moveset is just Freeza saga).
It's late so I'm going to sleep soon but maybe personally I don't see the bloat, Early cvoers a good chunk with the Saiyan Saga stuff and Mid covers...well I can't recall of the top of my head RN but it shouldn't be that many, while End probably covers the bulk, dunno maybe it doesn't feel like bloat to me, but then again I'm sleepy.
And I feel if you're trying to stick to Tenkaichi then it would be ideal to actually commit to it, kinda like how Sparking Zero basically has a lot of character moveset being a BT3 exact copy but in HD.
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