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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Darkmon_cns said:
Given gohan beast and orange piccolo I vastly disagree on freiza being the only relevant party. Even rage trunks implies all sayains (or at least our half sayains) do have the potental to reach godly levels even without God ki.
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I have to question if Cell even has Gohan's DNA, given that Cell never illustrates any sort of latent potential or ability to rage boost like what Gohan has. As well as considering the Saiyan DNA that Gero collected was from the Saiyan Saga. He may have discarded Gohan as some irrelevant toddler inferior to his father's own genetic sample.

Even if I say that Cell definitely has Gohan's potential...what does that change? He has no means of getting the Ultimate state and there's nothing indicating he can achieve Beast either given he seems to lack the rage power that Gohan has.

Piccolo only got Orange via Shenron.

As for Rage Trunks I never said that Cell couldn't hit God-levels. I'm just suggesting that his options for reaching the heights of Ultra Instinct-level fighters is extremely limited and he'd likely need to train a lot to get up there.

So the only relevant possible character is maybe Gohan. And I doubt Cell even has Gohan cells. If he does he doesn't appear to have Gohan's rage or latent potential. And he certainly has no Elder Kai ritual going for him.

In my mind Cell could probably hit 2-C powers pretty fast. He can get huge death Zenkais to power up to a certain limit and he definitely has Freeza cells in him that should let him train quickly. The problem is that all of the routes to Ultra Instinct-level power are locked to him. He can't get God Ki on his own, he has no access to a HTC that he can freely use to train in for 10 years, it's doubtful he can access Shenron to wish for power, he can't do the Elder Kai's ritual to become Ultimate Cell and whether or not he could even develop forms like Golden, Black or Beast is very debatable.

If Cell lacks the ability to create higher forms, draw out his potential or become a God then I'm inclined to think he'd only be relative to Base Freeza. Because DBS focuses on giving characters unique routes (UI, UE, Beast, Orange, Black) that are about each character's development and were achieved under very specific conditions that Cell cannot easily replicate. So if Cell were to return and get a UI-level power up he'd need something unique for himself.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
I have to question if Cell even has Gohan's DNA, given that Cell never illustrates any sort of latent potential or ability to rage boost like what Gohan has. As well as considering the Saiyan DNA that Gero collected was from the Saiyan Saga. He may have discarded Gohan as some irrelevant toddler inferior to his father's own genetic sample.

Even if I say that Cell definitely has Gohan's potential...what does that change? He has no means of getting the Ultimate state and there's nothing indicating he can achieve Beast either given he seems to lack the rage power that Gohan has.

Piccolo only got Orange via Shenron.

As for Rage Trunks I never said that Cell couldn't hit God-levels. I'm just suggesting that his options for reaching the heights of Ultra Instinct-level fighters is extremely limited and he'd likely need to train a lot to get up there.

So the only relevant possible character is maybe Gohan. And I doubt Cell even has Gohan cells. If he does he doesn't appear to have Gohan's rage or latent potential. And he certainly has no Elder Kai ritual going for him.

In my mind Cell could probably hit 2-C powers pretty fast. He can get huge death Zenkais to power up to a certain limit and he definitely has Freeza cells in him that should let him train quickly. The problem is that all of the routes to Ultra Instinct-level power are locked to him. He can't get God Ki on his own, he has no access to a HTC that he can freely use to train in for 10 years, it's doubtful he can access Shenron to wish for power, he can't do the Elder Kai's ritual to become Ultimate Cell and whether or not he could even develop forms like Golden, Black or Beast is very debatable.

If Cell lacks the ability to create higher forms, draw out his potential or become a God then I'm inclined to think he'd only be relative to Base Freeza. Because DBS focuses on giving characters unique routes (UI, UE, Beast, Orange, Black) that are about each character's development and were achieved under very specific conditions that Cell cannot easily replicate. So if Cell were to return and get a UI-level power up he'd need something unique for himself.
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Ultimate Super Perfect Cell (No spots)

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I started gathering up databook statements revolving around Captain Ginyu (and, specifically, his Body Change), and after uploading all of the images to Imgur, I suddenly realized that I didn't even want to revamp his page.
 
Huesito88 said:
Curious is the 200 million Frieza thing fake or not, I can't seem to find much on it?
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According to the film with a longer version presented in the film that was only released in Japan

According to my calculations, let me see... If i dedicate myself for four months, i should reach a fighting power of 1,300,000.
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This version only has subtitles in Portuguese, there are no English ones.
 
Huesito88 said:
Curious is the 200 million Frieza thing fake or not, I can't seem to find much on it?
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You mean about Freezer's full power being actually 220 million but because of the damage take by the Spirit Bomb he's 120 million in his fight against Goku?
 
RoninSlayer200 said:
I saw that image once but I'm not sure if it's real or fake scan
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I'm pretty sure it's real. I recall seeing it myself and there was a lot of discussion about it within the first few years of RoF releasing.

EDIT: You can hear it in the Japanese version here. He says "hyaku sanjuu man" which translates to 1,300,000 million.
 
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Huesito88 said:
Curious is the 200 million Frieza thing fake or not, I can't seem to find much on it?
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Fake.

I came across both a Reddit post and a Neoseeker forum attempting to look into its origin, and neither community was able to identify it. Not only that, but the text—specifically, the numbers,—is incorrect; large numbers like 200 million are written using specific symbols (for "million", 億 or oki) instead of with commas how Indo-European languages do.
 
Okay, I think I've been wrong for the past few months.

Cell Games and Pre-Z-Sword Training Gohan are equal in strength overall, but only the former is capable of drawing out and accessing his full power, whereas the latter was never capable of displaying maximum performance, even outside of Super Saiyan 2, which makes Goku's faith in him during the fight with Dabura a little more understandable.
 
Doesn't Vegeta suggest that Goku and himself could best Dabura easily, to further show how much Gohan has fallen in power?
 
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