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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

Jokes aside I'm pretty sure the stars add nothing besides solidifying that the Demon relam is a separate universe sized relam, tho if it's separate from the 12 universes reminds to be seen
 
I love how everyone's 'oh look plot hole' is having goku go spend decades in solitude where he can't properly rest to grow big again
 
On the topic of the time chamber, I've always wished they'd bring the gravity room in there, always felt like adding those 2 together made sense
 
Darkmon_cns said:
On the topic of the time chamber, I've always wished they'd bring the gravity room in there, always felt like adding those 2 together made sense
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The insane temperature rates and the already 10x gravity in there is enough tbh
 
Ednaxel2 said:
The insane temperature rates and the already 10x gravity in there is enough tbh
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Ea negative 200 is caped by the vacuum of space, and the high end of the heat is capped by goku's trip to the earth's core. And I still think it be really cool
 
Tipper17 said:
Anything from todays episode?
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More explanation on what the fish system is and why it’s used, and worldbuilding for the Demon World. Its atmosphere is constantly filled with a gas from magic floating volcanos that is so thick your movements are physically impaired constantly. Also, “Magic Power” is a thing, and what fuels Glorio’s plane.

There’s also only 3 Demon Worlds as far as we know.
 
RedReaper616 said:
More explanation on what the fish system is and why it’s used, and worldbuilding for the Demon World. Its atmosphere is constantly filled with a gas from magic floating volcanos that is so thick your movements are physically impaired constantly. Also, “Magic Power” is a thing, and what fuels Glorio’s plane.

There’s also only 3 Demon Worlds as far as we know.
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Goku ated a borgor
 
Tipper17 said:
Anything from todays episode?
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-Demon Realm planes function on magic power.
-Said plane flew to planet Batapi of the Rakka System. A Warp-Sama was stationed there.
-Warp-Sama is transit point between Demon Realm and Outside World. Gotta pass that to go to Demon Realm. Need a pin number.
-Supreme Kai turned Goku' ears from round to pointed temporarily.
-Enter the Warp-Sama, which transports them to a relay point, where there's a bunch of hatches to exit out of.
-When they get to the relay point Glorio says the Demon Realm is divided into three worlds. There's three color coated hatches to get to the different three Worlds.
-Going into the hatch of the Third Demon Realm would put them farthest from the First Demon World where Gomah is.

And because Supreme Kai never got to tell Kibito about the pin number or the hatch they're exiting, the second gang is probably going to go to a different location.
 
So the kaioshin is a "Glind", i thought Kaio were "Core People"? maybe a retcon? or maybe i am misremembering
 
One thing that annoyed me about Toriyama is that instead of building on things he already established, he forgot them and just striaght up retcons them
 
SirAlex09 said:
One thing that annoyed me about Toriyama is that instead of building on things he already established, he forgot them and just striaght up retcons them
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Its just a name. It might not even recon it, it's literally could just be a another name.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Its just a name. It might not even recon it, it's literally could just be a another name.
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They were supposed to be godly beings born from a tree. They are divine from nature.

The fact that they are now demons by default makes it all weird and creates more plot holes.
The same goes for the demon realm.

First Demon realm was a small hideouz sized place. Then it was a universe sized place. Now it's basially three worlds big.

I hope Toyotaro will plan everything from the beginning instead of coming up with some bs in interviews, then forgetting it and let Toei make stories, games and other stuff based on that and finally retcon it since you had forgotten what you daid in interviews 5 years ago.


I can't even enjoy the new lore because I can tell it will be contradicted anyway in 5 years like all the other stuffs that were established.
 
SirAlex09 said:
They were supposed to be godly beings born from a tree. They are divine from nature.

The fact that they are now demons by default makes it all weird and creates more plot holes.
The same goes for the demon realm.

First Demon realm was a small hideouz sized place. Then it was a universe sized place. Now it's basially three worlds big.

I hope Toyotaro will plan everything from the beginning instead of coming up with some bs in interviews, then forgetting it and let Toei make stories, games and other stuff based on that and finally retcon it since you had forgotten what you daid in interviews 5 years ago.


I can't even enjoy the new lore because I can tell it will be contradicted anyway in 5 years like all the other stuffs that were established.
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Uh I strongly disagree with all of that and think it's reductive and rooted in practically nothing. Sorry you can't enjoy the new lore, but most don't see to have that issue.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Uh I strongly disagree with all of that and think it's reductive and rooted in practically nothing. Sorry you can't enjoy the new lore, but most don't see to have that issue.
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1) There is nothing to disagree since it's based on facts that stuff was retconned here.

What sort of place is the Demon Realm? Toriyama:" It's a hideout for mages! The Demon Realm is located in the universe, but its scale is very small, the size of a hideout for mages"

Demon realm size and Supreme Kai origin had statements that were retconned and can't work together with the new lore., but nvm.

You can either like it like you do , or you don't like I do.

2) " most don't see..." With most you probably mean the hardcore fans and not the majority that used to watch Dragonball and now would rather watch One Piece and Boruto filler rather than Dragonball right?

It's a valid criticism that Toriyama didn't plan out the stuff beforehand like Oda does.

But if you enjoy it, fine
 
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SirAlex09 said:
1) There is nothing to disagree since it's based on facts that stuff was retconned here.

What sort of place is the Demon Realm? Toriyama:" It's a hideout for mages! The Demon Realm is located in the universe, but its scale is very small, the size of a hideout for mages"

Demon realm size and Supreme Kai origin had statements that were retconned and can't work together with the new lore., but nvm.

You can either like it like you do , or you don't like I do.

2) " most don't see..." With most you probably mean the hardcore fans and not the majority that used to watch Dragonball and now would rather watch One Piece and Boruto filler rather than Dragonball right?

It's a valid criticism that Toriyama didn't plan out the stuff beforehand like Oda does.

But if you enjoy it, fine
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So Toriyama turned a throw away part of the world into something more and that's bad? Sure.

I genuinely have no idea how to engage with the second paragraph so I won't. Don't see people complain about expanded world building, and I know people around here aren't going to be crying over the loss of the guidebook only small hideout Demon realm.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
So Toriyama turned a throw away part of the world into something more and that's bad? Sure.

I genuinely have no idea how to engage with the second paragraph so I won't. Don't see people complain about expanded world building, and I know people around here aren't going to be crying over the loss of the guidebook only small hideout Demon realm.
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It was just an example of how he makes up stuff in interviews and then throws it out of the window in the next moment. It's the same thing with the inventor of scouters.

First it was Ginchamu then it was the new guy named Kikono from the movie. I actually prefer the new lore but I simply want consistancy from now on from Toyotaro as the successor.

The potara fusion stuff is total disaster. Now I see people arguing whether Daima and DBS super actually are canon to each other. They might fix it with them fusing again but then looking for dragonballs while Majin Buu is around seems like a total waste of time.
We have 4 different continiuities running due to plot hole reasons ( and I am excluding heroes, movies and games)
 
SirAlex09 said:
They were supposed to be godly beings born from a tree. They are divine from nature.

The fact that they are now demons by default makes it all weird and creates more plot holes.
The same goes for the demon realm.

First Demon realm was a small hideouz sized place. Then it was a universe sized place. Now it's basially three worlds big.

I hope Toyotaro will plan everything from the beginning instead of coming up with some bs in interviews, then forgetting it and let Toei make stories, games and other stuff based on that and finally retcon it since you had forgotten what you daid in interviews 5 years ago.


I can't even enjoy the new lore because I can tell it will be contradicted anyway in 5 years like all the other stuffs that were established.
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I have one minor strong disagreement, I don't think as things are now are unworkable with the tree birth/makioshin thing, all that there needs to be for this to work is for fruit to fall more often then we thought, or for makioshin to be able to reproduce like other living things in addition to being from the tree orginally allowing a population to develop.

The only absolute retcon here is shin was orginally a makioshin- but he left the Demon realm, I don't find it unbelievable at all that he become an apprentice well the guy literally so pure was in charge he give buu the capacity to be good.
 
-Air is heavy. Makes it hard to fly long distances.
-Goku's movements aren't as sharp as they usually are because of the air.
-Goku remarks Glorio might be stronger than the Supreme kai.
-Glorio doesn't know about ki or ki sensing. Questions how Goku could detect an ambush while he couldn't.
-Dokuro is the currency in the Demon Realm.
-Revive Bug is the Demon Realm equivalent of a sensu bean. They use Medi bugs for medicine and ailments.
-Fusion is on the table. Join bug. Feed two halves to two people, they fuse. Glorio buys Goku some.
-Sky Seed is a seed of a Great Fiend Flower.
-According to Glorio the Demon Realm Dragon Balls are the originals.
-Supreme Demon King collects offerings from villages. Gendarmerie is the military police.
-Demon Realm residents under the military police have magic collars put around their neck. Can't flee.
-Gendarmerie have a machine that sucks the years out of a person.
-Goku deflects lasers(?) with his powerpole.

So yeah, 99% chance we're going to get a fusion later down the line. Also, Demon Realm Dragonballs being the original retcons Super again lmao.
 
According to Glorio the Demon Realm Dragon Balls are the originals.

I'm guessing he has no clue of the Super Dragon Balls
 
Give me another "master of every martial art" statement, so I can wank my man Goku on other platforms and put them whitebelts on their 5 dollar seats.
 
Lawyerr said:
-Goku deflects lasers(?) with his powerpole.

So yeah, 99% chance we're going to get a fusion later down the line. Also, Demon Realm Dragonballs being the original retcons Super again lmao.
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I think the blasters are the same energy that tucked the life out of the one person that fled

There just the orignal namic made dragonballs
 
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