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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

This also ignores the fact Saiyans just range in capacity. I mean, Goku despite being literally awful is still better than multiple generations of Earthlings, as a Ki Attack like the KHH took 50 years to make and never existed before (with the Dodon Ray and Tri-Beam being made soon after.) Comparatively, (Super) Pan could use Ki out the gate as an infant, as could Z-Broly, with even Gohan having no training and the ability to use Ki inherently so long as his rage flared. Hell, the whole Infiltration Babies schtick was based on the idea a Baby would get sent to a planet, look at their Moon, turn into a big Ki-Empowered Ape, and wreck the planet. Saiyans naturally have the ability to manipulate Ki. It’s just they range from “OP out the gate” to “Literally awful.”
 
Having new DB episodic content while being apart of the site will be fun

Opponents will be licking their chops for any downgrades, gonna be scanning each frame of every episode for something

And supporters gonna be waiting for the 1A afterlife claim to drop
 
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XXBenShapiroXx said:
Having new DB episodic content while being apart of the site will be fun

Opponents will be liking their chops for any downgrades, gonna be scanning each frame of every episode for something

And supporters gonna be waiting for the 1A afterlife claim to drop
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Low 1-A Afterlife =P
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Goku as a kid didn't know anything about Ki until he saw Roshi use the kamehameha, and Bulla has shown nothing of value ki manipulation wise iicr
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Goku still managed to do a 50 year in the making tec on his first try- bulla has no screen time so we can't really say for her. Gohan was spitting out massive bursts of power when he was 4, it's hardly inconsistent that they do have a leg up for ki contain.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
King Piccolo can emit from the eyes "熱光線", which reads as "heat rays" ("heat" + "ray [of light]").
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Low-key, high-key, given the mystical nature of the Namekians in general,—especially in regards to the Dragon Clan, from which King Piccolo was born through the Nameless Namekian,—and Piccolo's uniquely destructive nature, I'm inclined to give the Demon Clan Elemental Manipulation.
  • Cymbal, King Piccolo, and Piccolo Jr. can control electricity (lightning).
    • The Antenna Beam is an inherited technique.
  • The Shockwave Fist (air) is noted by Piccolo Jr. as being a Demon Clan technique, which Kami appropriated.
  • King Piccolo can unleash heat rays from the eyes (fire).
Obviously, he cannot control water or earth, but, like... who cares?

Unrelated, but,


Daizenshuu 4 describes Ki as "Mind Power" and establishes Ki is incorporeal within the body and is given material form when harnessed.
As in, yes, Ki very well may possess genuine mass.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Low-key, high-key, given the mystical nature of the Namekians in general,—especially in regards to the Dragon Clan, from which King Piccolo was born through the Nameless Namekian,—and Piccolo's uniquely destructive nature, I'm inclined to give the Demon Clan Elemental Manipulation.
  • Cymbal, King Piccolo, and Piccolo Jr. can control electricity (lightning).
    • The Antenna Beam is an inherited technique.
  • The Shockwave Fist (air) is noted by Piccolo Jr. as being a Demon Clan technique, which Kami appropriated.
  • King Piccolo can unleash heat rays from the eyes (fire).
Obviously, he cannot control water or earth, but, like... who cares?

Unrelated, but,


Daizenshuu 4 describes Ki as "Mind Power" and establishes Ki is incorporeal within the body and is given material form when harnessed.
As in, yes, Ki very well may possess genuine mass.
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This makes sense because Toriyama literally explains something similar this in his own way in interview. It’s non-physical until harnessed in a KHH.

What did you fret over when thinking up techniques like the Kamehameha and their poses?
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Techniques that are plain but effective aren’t suited for manga. Stuff like strangleholds and locking techniques are troublesome to draw and hard to make very flashy. Even the Kamehameha is a technique that expels “ki”, which by nature is invisible, but I was able to make it flashy by hitting upon the idea of portraying it as something that could be seen with the naked eye. With that pose too, I tried out a lot of different ones. What’s more, I had to think up special characteristics for each character’s techniques, but I ran out of patterns really fast, so it was tough (laughs).
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- Toriyama on Dragon Ball Extreme Battle Collection: Round 2.

Dragon Ball seems to have influenced many video games and manga. Where did you get the idea for the attacks that appear in Dragon Ball, such as the kamehameha and the whole idea of chi power?
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Chi [also spelled “Ki”–Editor] has been used in China since ancient times, but it’s supposed to be formless and invisible. However, in manga, in order to make it easier for any reader to grasp, it was necessary to give it a shape. For the kamehameha, I myself did a lot of different poses and chose the one that I thought would work the best.
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- Toriyama, Shonen Jump Jan 2003 Q&A.
 
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Vizer04 said:
Theory that could explain all the timelines, hopefully without any paradoxes.
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The only thing added with this theory is the existance of a fifth Cell that was killed by the Androids. Also, most of these timelines are probably empty since they were meant to be erased right before the Tournament of Power.
 
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Finally getting back into working on that Piccolo Jr. page, holy hell.
I hate writing so much; I hate researching even moreso.
Vizer04 said:
Can someone tell me why Captain Ginyu and Post-Gravity Training Goku were downgraded from High 5-A to 5-A?
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vsbattles.com

Dragon Ball AP, sad downgrade (Raditz/Saiyan/Namek Saga Tiers only)

This'll only affect Raditz to Namek Saga characters, anyone who is First Form Frieza level and up don't get affected so we don't have to worry about how other threads affecting this. The method on how we backscale is based on hypothetical power levels with multipliers (Hypothetical Kaio-ken x10...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Nullflowerblush said:
I hate writing so much; I hate researching even moreso.
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Researching can be fun. Writing... ehhh not so much.

Nullflowerblush said:
vsbattles.com

Dragon Ball AP, sad downgrade (Raditz/Saiyan/Namek Saga Tiers only)

This'll only affect Raditz to Namek Saga characters, anyone who is First Form Frieza level and up don't get affected so we don't have to worry about how other threads affecting this. The method on how we backscale is based on hypothetical power levels with multipliers (Hypothetical Kaio-ken x10...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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Well that sucks.
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I've honestly been thinking about re-introducing those values again cause of how consistent kaio-ken is in regards to battle power with all of its instances. Using ogdb from a guide was kind of cheating
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So was Oozaru too, putting Goku from 10 to 100 consistently in guides, and SSJ making Goku go from 3 Million to 150 Million consistently in guides.
 
Does Toei have anything special with Ki Manipulation? The only thing I could find was Non Physical Interaction, and that's already on the Ki Manipulation page for the games
 
Quantu said:
Considering it never happened in the ToP or Broly, it's probably an effect of the ritual itself.
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I don't think so, the ritual has been completed when the first beam of light into the sky has disappeared because the main purpose of the ritual is only to insert the pure heart of 5 Saiyans into other Saiyans.

Then Bulma asked if it was finished, Piccolo answered not yet then a second beam of light appeared with Goku changing into SSG at the end after a natural phenomenon occurred.
 
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