Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Vizer04]

I've honestly been thinking about re-introducing those values again cause of how consistent kaio-ken is in regards to battle power with all of its instances. Using ogdb from a guide was kind of cheating

 

[Ednaxel2]

We had like a whole thread dedicated to removing this

 

[Vizer04]

We had like a whole thread dedicated to removing this

I read the thread now, that logic doesn't work for this specific instance.

 

[RedReaper616]

Oh yeah there's also a showing of vibration manipulation, healing, and special aura stuff

There’s also Perception Manipulation, the need for total relaxation to use Ki (Videl learns Ki episode, I don’t have an Imgur for it), sensing disturbances in energy around your world even when they’re not exhibiting energy, Instinctive Action, etc.

EDIT: Also there’s a feature in the Anime, where gaining Ki from an ally makes you vastly stronger out of the blue.

 

[Vizer04]

Anyway, since the original thread was closed i decided to make another one to bring back the Frieza downscaling. It will be ready no later than tomorrow.

 

[BlastX]

Tien fell off so hard in the series. Like how did he go from main antagonist of an arc and one of Goku's rivals to such a non-relevant side character.

Literally almost every character in the series that reforms except Vegeta.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Anyway, since the original thread was closed i decided to make another one to bring back the Frieza downscaling. It will be ready no later than tomorrow.

I'm not gonna lie to you, the original thread was buns and was done so then everyone would stop complaining about 5-A Saiyan Saga at the time, as well as for AP multiplier discussions to stop for a while

 

[Vizer04]

Literally almost every character in the series that reforms except Vegeta.

Piccolo?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Literally almost every character in the series that reforms except Vegeta.

Piccolo

There’s also Perception Manipulation, the need for total relaxation to use Ki (Videl learns Ki episode, I don’t have an Imgur for it), sensing disturbances in energy around your world even when they’re not exhibiting energy, Instinctive Action, etc.

I'm a bit iffy on these cause they seem like things Goku acquired from his training on Kami's Lookout, and not something innate to all Ki users

 

[Vizer04]

Chi-Chi is 5-C???

My life is complete, i can die happy.

 

[RedReaper616]

Piccolo

I'm a bit iffy on these cause they seem like things Goku acquired from his training on Kami's Lookout, and not something innate to all Ki users

While they are things Goku learns on the Lookout, it’s all within the “fundamental basics” of Learning Ki he was taught, or is claimed to be by them as he learns it. The first was Popo demonstrating people who don’t have Ki can’t perceive Ki Use properly, causing them to see what is desired to be seen, the next from Goku is about Energy Sensory, in this case sending disturbances in the energy of the world around them when you can’t sense their Ki to maintain location knowledge, the last is clearing your mind, which is necessary to using and mastering Ki and on its own creates instinctive reactions. Such as when Goku after fighting all day finally gets into the zone and instinctively acts after clearing his mind. “Clearing the Mind” within Ki also creates the intimidation effect Chappa felt within the Anime.

 

[Ednaxel2]

While they are things Goku learns on the Lookout, it’s all within the “fundamental basics” of Learning Ki he was taught, or is claimed to be by them as he learns it. The first was Popo demonstrating people who don’t have Ki can’t perceive Ki Use properly, causing them to see what is desired to be seen, the next from Goku is about Energy Sensory, in this case sending disturbances in the energy of the world around them when you can’t sense their Ki to maintain location knowledge, the last is clearing your mind, which is necessary to using and mastering Ki and on its own creates instinctive reactions. Such as when Goku after fighting all day finally gets into the zone and instinctively acts after clearing his mind. “Clearing the Mind” within Ki also creates the intimidation effect Chappa felt within the Anime.

I'll include it for now and see how it goes in the thread. Also these scans were from 20 days ago, what were these being used for?

 

[RedReaper616]

I'll include it for now and see how it goes in the thread. Also these scans were from 20 days ago, what were these being used for?

I’ve been making scans and whatnot for my GT Goku profile. Trying to be thorough. I also intended to give you them for your Toei-Z Revamp Profiles.

 

[Ednaxel2]

I’ve been making scans and whatnot for my GT Goku profile. Trying to be thorough. I also intended to give you them for your Toei-Z Revamp Profiles.

Oh yeah you're reworking GT Goku's profile, I actually plan the same for Trunks

 

[RedReaper616]

Part of the rework is literally just trying to get the Anime Profile up to par with the Manga’s, since some abilities they share from even the same just don’t even have justifications or as good ones as their canon counterpart, which is part of reason it’s taking awhile. This is what it looks like currently.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Can anyone be able to recover this link?

It's used in Toei Vegito's profile as justification for Fear-inducing Aura:

Aura (Overwhelming, Catastrophe, Explosive & Fear-inducing; It can damage the environment, generate storms, cause explosions and even induce fear)

 

[Prime2024]

Will black Gohan from speaking zero have a profile?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Can anyone be able to recover this link?

It's used in Toei Vegito's profile as justification for Fear-inducing Aura:

Maybe its referring to this?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Will black Gohan from speaking zero have a profile?

SZ profiles for regular characters like Frieza, Goku, etc, need to be done first. But I did do a half baked sandbox for Gohan Black

Ednaxel2/Gohan Black

vsbattles.fandom.com

Maybe its referring to this?

Looks more invisible force/barrier, nothing really fear inducing about that

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Part of the rework is literally just trying to get the Anime Profile up to par with the Manga’s, since some abilities they share from even the same just don’t even have justifications or as good ones as their canon counterpart, which is part of reason it’s taking awhile. This is what it looks like currently.

It was very good

 

[RedReaper616]

Can anyone be able to recover this link?

It's used in Toei Vegito's profile as justification for Fear-inducing Aura:

There’s nothing for that link on the Wayback Machine.

 

[Prime2024]

SZ profiles for regular characters like Frieza, Goku, etc, need to be done first. But I did do a half baked sandbox for Gohan Black

Is black gohan more powerful than regular Goku black? Does he have better feats?

 

[Spinoirr]

Is black gohan more powerful than regular Goku black? Does he have better feats?

He's probably stronger given he took the body of a Gohan who started to train after RoF and getting ultimate back earlier

 

[RedReaper616]

Kaioken x100 scan, which is backed up by the Dragon Box 04 Digest video where Goku goes over the plot, which he states the same. So we finally have actual sources for the claim.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Kaioken x100 scan, which is backed up by the Dragon Box 04 Digest video where Goku goes over the plot, which he states the same. So we finally have actual sources for the claim.

Those Toei AP blogs are about to go wild

 

[RedReaper616]

Those Toei AP blogs are about to go wild

Currently looking for the Ki-Sharing = Massive Amps scan. I remember seeing it in a YT video a year or so ago, but I dunno which and I don’t know where to look to find it.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Kaioken x100 scan, which is backed up by the Dragon Box 04 Digest video where Goku goes over the plot, which he states the same. So we finally have actual sources for the claim.

This Goku solos Freeza

 

[Mr._Arabe]

Hello guys, does anyone know where I can find Dragon Ball Z movies with subtitles?

 

[RedReaper616]

Hello guy, does anyone know where I can find Dragon Ball Z movies with subtitles?

Animepahe is what I use, especially because it allows downloads.

 

[Mr._Arabe]

Animepahe is what I use, especially because it allows downloads.

Thank you so much man

 

[RedReaper616]

Thank you so much man

No problem. Unfortunately they don’t offer super high quality variants of the films, but it more than works for me.

 

[Mr._Arabe]

No problem. Unfortunately they don’t offer super high quality variants of the films, but it more than works for me.

No problem

 

[Ednaxel2]

Animix is also good

 

[RedReaper616]

Finally getting back into working on that Piccolo Jr. page, holy hell.
I hate writing so much; I hate researching even moreso.

Dragon Ball AP, sad downgrade (Raditz/Saiyan/Namek Saga Tiers only)

This'll only affect Raditz to Namek Saga characters, anyone who is First Form Frieza level and up don't get affected so we don't have to worry about how other threads affecting this. The method on how we backscale is based on hypothetical power levels with multipliers (Hypothetical Kaio-ken x10...

vsbattles.com

Found something you might want to consider, at least if you want to include information from the Anime. According to Piccolo, growing into his teenage-adult body grew his power beyond expectation. In his words it "was no mere doubling or tripling. To that extent, it felt as if my body's VOLUME along {with it} was doubled."

So instead of being doubled normally, the volume of his power was doubled, or something like that? Pretty sure that's worth nothing and just flowery words. I'd personally just list it as 4x bare minimum, since it's above 3x.

 

[Ednaxel2]

There’s also Perception Manipulation, the need for total relaxation to use Ki (Videl learns Ki episode, I don’t have an Imgur for it), sensing disturbances in energy around your world even when they’re not exhibiting energy, Instinctive Action, etc.

So having a complete clear mind should allow one to have instinctive action, enhanced senses (touch) and resistance to perception manipulation correct?

I don’t think that can be said for all Toei characters though, a couple sure but I think a note should just be added to the page for that

 

[RedReaper616]

So having a complete clear mind should allow one to have instinctive action, enhanced senses (touch) and resistance to perception manipulation correct?

I don’t think that can be said for all Toei characters though, a couple sure but I think a note should just be added to the page for that

Yes. Though I don't think it's enhanced senses so much as Extrasensory Perception, because the context of the episode is building off what Popo taught him before, which is about sensing Ki. So if anything you'd be sensing the disturbances in ambient Ki ("energy") around you to track objects/people even if that object has no Ki. Also, whilst there is normal Ki Sensing, in the Anime there is a heightened variation that allows you to grasp onto the Ki of your opponent with your own, creating real time tracking. This is part of what Popo taught Goku on the Lookout. I don't think this should apply to really anyone other than the Z-Fighters, Cell, and Vegeta though.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Yes. Though I don't think it's enhanced senses so much as Extrasensory Perception, because the context of the episode is building off what Popo taught him before, which is about sensing Ki. So if anything you'd be sensing the disturbances in ambient Ki ("energy") around you to track objects/people even if that object has no Ki. Also, whilst there is normal Ki Sensing, in the Anime there is a heightened variation that allows you to grasp onto the Ki of your opponent with your own, creating real time tracking.

Makes sense I missed that but when looking through the episodes. But I think enhanced senses should also be allowed as Goku could sense the movements of Tien’s clones via feeling the vibrations in the air

Z-Fighters, Cell, and Vegeta though.

Cell is obvious
The Z-Fighters might have some statement on surpassing Popo or Kami in their training for the Saiyans, or something like them being taught by “everything we know”
Why Vegeta?

 

[RedReaper616]

Makes sense I missed that but when looking through the episodes. But I think enhanced senses should also be allowed as Goku could sense the movements of Tien’s clones via feeling the vibrations in the air

Cell is obvious
The Z-Fighters might have some statement on surpassing Popo or Kami in their training for the Saiyans, or something like them being taught by “everything we know”

They also explicitly got Goku's Training in the Saiyan Saga, so they should get it.

Why Vegeta?

Vegeta got HIS Energy Sensing via copying Goku and the Z-Fighters version of it. So his should be just as capable.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Vegeta got HIS Energy Sensing via copying Goku and the Z-Fighters version of it. So his should be just as capable.

Alright then that should be fine. I think this should just be on the profiles themselves, it feels unnecessary if it’s just gonna apply to a few characters

 

[RedReaper616]

Alright then that should be fine. I think this should just be on the profiles themselves, it feels unnecessary if it’s just gonna apply to a few characters

I think you're right, honestly.

Is there anything else I'm missing for Anime Continuity stuff?

There's the Original Anime, the Z Anime, GT, the Z-Movies, the 3 Maeda Side Stories, the 2 Specials, EotS OVA, and their respective guides. I don't think I'm missing anything to look into, but I want to make sure.