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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Nullflowerblush said:
Y'know, given Goku's Kili of 3000 and Yakon's Kili of 800 are directly compared, would downscaling Yakon from Goku be allowed?
Or, do I, again, need proof that the two are being compared specifically linearly?
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I mean, the comparison between them was that “Yakon wouldn’t stand a chance.” They only changed their tune when they remembered he could eat Ki/Light Energy, and even then Goku had already demonstrated total superiority over the magical beast in base form and only really went SSJ to flex. I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if Yakon could downscale in some way, but I personally find it extremely dubious.
 
RedReaper said:
Wouldn’t it necessarily be higher? His Second Form (as in the order we see it/named in games, not taking into account his forms work in reverse as limiters), had a power level of over 1 Million. How much over is uncertain, but over it.

Considering that was that form’s impressive benchmark (being literally about 1% of Frieza’s power), the Third Form should be substantially higher, no?
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I mean we know in Dragon Ball that a tiny difference in power levels can basically unleash a curb stomp battle, the third form wasn't given that much fanfare and it's biggest draw was it's speed which allowed it to overwhelm Piccolo.

I know it seems weird his second form basically doubled it's power and then his third form it's a tiny boost in comparison but it is what it is.
 
BlastX said:
I mean we know in Dragon Ball that a tiny difference in power levels can basically unleash a curb stomp battle, the third form wasn't given that much fanfare and it's biggest draw was it's speed which allowed it to overwhelm Piccolo.

I know it seems weird his second form basically doubled its power and then his third form it's a tiny boost in comparison but it is what it is.
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Ah. So it’s less that we know it has to be small and more that it could be small and we just don’t know for sure because tiny increases in DB lead to absurd results.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Where do the Super Saiyan 2s scale again? Directly to the Solar Kamehameha?
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as of now, yeah, if that Small Star level First Form Freeza CRT passes tho, they will likely by quite a bit higher than that, or very close to it, before SSJ2's tho

someone just needs to make the scaling chain continuing to the Cell and Buu sagas as well, but meh
 
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Instead of making one of those two accepted why not make a separate CRT for the one best suited?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Where do the Super Saiyan 2s scale again? Directly to the Solar Kamehameha?
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Currently yes. Which is being changed to them scaling to 1/8th of the Solar Kamehameha IIRC but I'm waiting for the early DBZ revisions to get resolved and finished first before I implemenet that.
 
I think Dragon Ball characters from the Late Red Ribbon army arc and beyond should be at least Class M because Tao was able to exert 470.227 Metric Tons of force very casually, and 470.227 Metric Tons is not far off from 1000 Metric Tons of force which is the low end for Class M, it's not unreasonable to say that characters who scale to Tao and above are Class M
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Honestly? I'm okay with this. I'm sure not all leakers are bad people or anything, but they really take the joy out of things being announced or released because they always find a way to leak it before it's announced. Sometimes it's more fulfilling when it's a surprise
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Also I think it's about time leaks stop for Dragon ball given you know, Tori passed away
 
Black Frieza and Ultra Ego's reveal would've been so cool if it wasn't for the fact that everyone knew about both forms beforehand
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I think Dragon Ball characters from the Late Red Ribbon army arc and beyond should be at least Class M because Tao was able to exert 470.227 Metric Tons of force very casually, and 470.227 Metric Tons is not far off from 1000 Metric Tons of force which is the low end for Class M, it's not unreasonable to say that characters who scale to Tao and above are Class M
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You could only apply that If Tao exerted something like 995 metric tons casually, them it would be reasonable enough to upscale
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Them arbitrarily downscaling eight-times from the Solar Kamehameha is what I hate.
There's no real basis, they just want them to scale to higher numbers.
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I think it's from the scaling chain of SSJ3 Goku = Solar Kamehameha, and SSJ3 Goku scaling to 8 times over SSJ2 Gohan. Not just 8 times out of thin air.
 
Can the Super Exciting Guide's stars representing the effectiveness of Goku's training be used for multipliers?
Like, apparently, training in 100g (6★) is a hundred-times more effective in developing strength than training under Earth's gravity.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Can the Super Exciting Guide's stars representing the effectiveness of Goku's training be used for multipliers?
Like, apparently, training in 100g (6★) is a hundred-times more effective in developing strength than training under Earth's gravity.
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I imagine not. At least, not without calc stacking, anyway. Because the multiplier is on training effectiveness, not actual improvement of power.
 
Also, a little weird—the calculation assumes that the Solar Kamehameha would have exploded on Earth and then just consumed the entire solar system (like the game suggests), but, like, the Father-Son Kamehameha bulldozes right through Cell and detonates without taking out the solar system. Hell, neither did Vegeta's Final Explosion.

The calculation relies on a measurement of destruction capacity that isn't at all consistent with the manga.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Also, a little weird—the calculation assumes that the Solar Kamehameha would have exploded on Earth and then just consumed the entire solar system (like the game suggests), but, like, the Father-Son Kamehameha bulldozes right through Cell and detonates without taking out the solar system. Hell, neither did Vegeta's Final Explosion.

The calculation relies on a measurement of destruction capacity that isn't at all consistent with the manga.
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I mean, that lies in the same realm of Vegeta’s “planetary” Final Flash flying off and bopping off the map (what ONLY LOOKS LIKE a star) and not affecting anyone nearby, doesn’t it?
 
RedReaper said:
The current calc is the best one, though. The whole Solar System nets less, ironically.
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Actually, no... I had quickly calced the AP to destroy the Solar System from the Sun to Pluto (which would be what Toriyama was thinking of by Solar System, and likely what he was thinking that the blast would do) and it’s either 394.7860 Kilofoe using the Perihelion to 1062.7838 KiloFoe using the Aphihelion
 
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Nullflowerblush said:
Hey,

During Beam Struggles, the involved energy blasts only ever explode (1) when matched with an equal force (1)(2).
Otherwise, the weaker attack is reflected (1)(2)(3), envelops the loser of the clash (1)(2)(3), and proceeds forward (1), even escaping into space (1)(2)(3).

Judging by the direction of the Z-Fighters's shadows in chapter 221, pg. 2 (their shadows extend by their right side), chapter 221, pg. 10 establishes that the Sun,—which shadows protrude in the opposite direction of, being their primary light source,—is to Piccolo's left. Cell is on Piccolo's left.

The blast could have potentially extended outward beyond Earth and exploded atop Mars (2.4328063 KiloFOE) or even Neptune (954.010922 KiloFOE).
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ngl the blast might have just flown off into planet without actually hitting anything if it just went straight forward
 
RedReaper said:
How so? The ability is explained fine, but the contradictions show how it is clearly inconsistent based on what is explained.
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Because there isn't any contradictions, at no point does King Crimson actually break its rules
Hell half that video ignores sup material too, as if it doesn't explain how it works in detail because nobody seems to comprehend it
It's just mfs not paying attention, as usual, wouldn't be the first time, or 10th, or hell even 50th time 🗿
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Actually, how did this calc end up being lost the shuffle
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that seems kinda outliery for that point in time
 
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