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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

RedReaper said:
Isn’t Diavolo’s blood splattering on Pol literally a prime example, since nothing Diavolo does is allowed to affect others as it’s about Fate? As the ad hoc explanation for how he affects others despite being intangible is “Fate still playing out,” (which then runs into questionable scenes based on lack of reactions, or then makes the noticing of Time Skip weird because logically it wouldn’t feel out of place), and thus still create a contradiction? Or am I missing something?
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Um, shouldn't this discussion happen here?
 
RedReaper said:
Isn’t Diavolo’s blood splattering on Pol literally a prime example, since nothing Diavolo does is allowed to affect others as it’s about Fate?
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Apparently, JOJOVELLER says Diavolo can interact with his blood, as it's an extension of his body, hence why the blood never actually touched Polneraff until time resumed, like how DIO can still throw knives or blind Jotaro with his own blood during stopped time; effectively, he's just readjusting himself like usual.
 
RedReaper said:
Isn’t Diavolo’s blood splattering on Pol literally a prime example, since nothing Diavolo does is allowed to affect others as it’s about Fate?
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No? That was never a rule? He just can not physically touch them himself.
Veller even makes note that he can't actually attack in time skip, BUT, he can still use blood.
It was never at any point stated he can't **** with them due to fate, he can't **** with them because they technically don't exist, so he can't exactly punch them. which is the only reason blood is even used, as it affects them after time resumes and disorients them), enabling him to land said attack post skip (because he can't in it) with less difficulty.
RedReaper said:
As the ad hoc explanation for how he affects others despite being intangible is “Fate still playing out,”
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That is quite literally why yes.
RedReaper said:
(which then runs into questionable scenes based on lack of reactions,
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What reactions? They state no less than a dozen times that nothing is aware of what transpired when time was gone. What would they be reacting to? once time resumes they'd have no recollection of it, and even when time is gone they wouldn't because it's explicitly noted nothing is cognizant but Diavolo and is just fate playing out. Hell they state no less than 4 times the world and everything in it momentarily ceases to exist (which is why he's "intangible", it isn't that he's intangible, it's that he's the only thing that ISN'T. He directly states that the world being deleted is why shit phases through him in the manga itself).

Ie, not only isn't an issue, but literally explained on all accounts.
RedReaper said:
or then makes the noticing of Time Skip weird because logically it wouldn’t feel out of place),
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It makes perfect sense? Their consciousness isn't aware of what happened? not only because, little known fact everyone seems to ignore, the "characters" you see in time skip, aren't actually them, it's images created by Epitaph, as explained in the guide, and directly alluded to in his debut, which loops back around in why he can't interact with them directly till time resumes, but is the case explicitly because time is gone so events can't actually happen, and it's just his ability superimposing shit so he'd know what would happen and act accordingly 🗿
To them, it seems like they just teleported so they're disoriented once stuff goes back to normal, a fact that Diavolo literally exploits a bunch.
RedReaper said:
and thus still create a contradiction? Or am I missing something?
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A lot apparently 🗿
Really need to get that blog out apparently
Nullflowerblush said:
Apparently, JOJOVELLER says Diavolo can interact with his blood, as it's an extension of his body, hence why the blood never actually touched Polneraff until time resumed, like how DIO can still throw knives or blind Jotaro with his own blood during stopped time; effectively, he's just readjusting himself like usual.
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More or less yeah. I can literally post it too, I own that shit it cost a lot
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Um, shouldn't this discussion happen here?
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This is correct, we shouldn't derail any further.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
It's still in the same ballpark of Class M though, and Ozaru Goku did that pretty casually all things considered
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Did he though? Kinda hard to tell if what he did was casual or not given beeg angry monkey.
And after factoring in plane accel to get true speed, and the like 50 antifeats at that point in the manga, idk, seems excessively beyond what the manga portrays them at.
 
SlendVeny said:
Who else here is named Dragon?
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Given that they're incosnistent there's no real true answer. Looks like it could be 50% in some shots. Others make it look closer to 30% like IRL Earth.
 
Chariot190 said:
Just use the final one given it's an official map that's been rehashed multiple times since (aka the intended layout).
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I take that with a grain a salt since when we irl try to flatten our own globe into a rectangular map, we end up stretching a distorting what it actually looks like. And also the land is pretty much a blob, hard to find the land area, let alone the percentage of land coverage, from it
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I take that with a grain a salt since when we irl try to flatten our own globe into a rectangular map, we end up stretching a distorting what it actually looks like. And also the land is pretty much a blob, hard to find the land area, let alone the percentage of land coverage, from it
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Well, yeah, but this is a manga
That issue doesnt exist here, when Toriyama drew that he obviously wasnt thinking like that. Some water would obviously be cropped out but if you looking for landmass, what ya see is what you get.
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
Surprised by how fast it took this time for the Infinite Universe thread to become a disaster, it normally takes a bit longer.

Lol, and here we were thinking 2024 would be the year of Dragon Ball dubs on vsbw. 2023 was a one of a kind year for us.
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It's really strange that people come so quickly to disagree, when there are topics that have been sitting idle for months and need a team member and there isn't one...
 
TiltedFN said:
vsbattles.com

Infinite universe DB Redux

Yep, we're bringing infinite universe back, I don't think the old counterarguments really hold up, so I made a blog explaining why infinite universe is actually correct and should be added back to the cosmology. Please do not discuss other things, such as what characters scale, ratings, etc...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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Lol this already got 3 mods disagree
 
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