Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[RedReaper616]

Atomic manip on the Quantum level, Absolute Zero temperatures, space time bending, etc............i think Zamasu could survive it, due to regen........altho, that depends on what "survive" mean, as i don't think he would be able to escape the Black Hole......or be conscious as his body is torned apart........huh, Infintie Zamasu would as he is too big.......but now i can't think of the "weakest" that can survive a black hole

I was presuming survive meant "tank" (show off one's durability) in this instance. Because technically, anyone could survive a black hole if you just cut off your arm and threw just that in from reaaaally far away.

If we meant like just...be alive after, I think the best choices would be Garlic Jr. (he's immortal), Zamasu (is immortal), Infinite Zamasu (would be a pimple compared to him), Metal Cooler (his bodies are merely extensions of his true form, the Big Gete Star), Baby (he can return from just a single cell in another person, hence why it was necessary to cure everyone on Earth), Buu (for the same reasons as Baby and Cooler), people who are ToP Goku level and up (survived a gravitational singularity in the form of the PBH), and like, that's really all I can think of at the moment. (The Revenge Death Ball has the space time bending properties, so it's sort of similar, but it doesn't have the other properties of a black hole, so I don't think GT Goku could survive it). Also like, Zeno, because nothing in Dragon Ball canon can kill him.

 

[Omegabronic]

I was presuming survive meant "tank" (show off one's durability) in this instance. Because technically, anyone could survive a black hole if you just cut off your arm and threw just that in from reaaaally far away.

If we meant like just...be alive after, I think the best choices would be Garlic Jr. (he's immortal), Zamasu (is immortal), Infinite Zamasu (would be a pimple compared to him), Metal Cooler (his bodies are merely extensions of his true form, the Big Gete Star), Baby (he can return from just a single cell in another person, hence why it was necessary to cure everyone on Earth), Buu (for the same reasons as Baby and Cooler), people who are ToP Goku level and up (survived a gravitational singularity in the form of the PBH), and like, that's really all I can think of at the moment. (The Revenge Death Ball has the space time bending properties, so it's sort of similar, but it doesn't have the other properties of a black hole, so I don't think GT Goku could survive it). Also like, Zeno, because nothing in Dragon Ball canon can kill him.

For Buu and ToP Goku level dudes......thing is.....durability doesn't really matter here as.....a black hole undoes your body on a quantum level, therefore you can be as durable as you want.....it won't help, Buu can regen from that, and the ToP PBH is not really accurate to a REAL black hole, it stopped sucking things and......it was shining light arround it for example, so....i am not sure those could survive, i am skeptical on Garlic Jr, but meh, i am.....75% sure he was in DBZ Kai, so one could argue he would scale to Zamasu in "immortality" level

 

[RedReaper616]

For Buu and ToP Goku level dudes......thing is.....durability doesn't really matter here as.....a black hole undoes your body on a quantum level, therefore you can be as durable as you want.....it won't help, Buu can regen from that, and the ToP PBH is not really accurate to a REAL black hole, it stopped sucking things and......it was shining light arround it for example, so....i am not sure those could survive, i am skeptical on Garlic Jr, but meh, i am.....75% sure he was in DBZ Kai, so one could argue he would scale to Zamasu in "immortality" level

Yeah, durability doesn't matter to the spatial fudging, but whilst the PBH isn't totally accurate, it still had that specific property. So I imagine Goku could take that specifically. The remaining issues would be the Absolute Zero and other features (which Vegeta showed that--At least once you reach the ToP--Is meaningless due to your Ki), so they should also resist that,, though they may still be killed by the Black Hole itself by other factors I'm unaware of/you didn't list (for example, I don't know if their resistance to radiation would matter compared to a Black Hole). Of course, the Black Hole would destroy everything else around them and they'd die anyway, but that's neither here or there.

For Buu, I listed him surviving because he can just regenerate and clone himself, so he could literally pull a Metal Cooler or Baby. Throw a version of him in, reappear far away with a preset Buu.

 

[Huesito88]

Would immeasurable speed help someone avoid the effect of the Black Hole while there literally in the middle of a Black Hole?

 

[RedReaper616]

Would immeasurable speed help someone avoid the effect of the Black Hole while there literally in the middle of a Black Hole?

Maybe? Since you could just...travel to a moment in time in which you aren't in a black hole. Unless we consider the black hole fudges with the fabric of space time, which could then mean the nearby time to travel to could be fudged by the Black Hole itself? Don't know for sure. I'm not a physics expert, and even physics experts are confused on the exact mechanics of a BH, so I can only guess based on what I remember from watching lots of Astronomy Documentaries and my very limited understanding of reality (with a dash of my nonexistent common sense).

 

[Omegabronic]

Yeah, durability doesn't matter to the spatial fudging, but whilst the PBH isn't totally accurate, it still had that specific property.

it didm't really showed that capability of Quantum level crushing.......so, i don't feel like it is accurate to give it that property either

. The remaining issues would be the Absolute Zero and other features (which Vegeta showed that--At least once you reach the ToP--Is meaningless due to your Ki), so they should also resist that

how do we know that is an ability of Ki and not just Vegeta?

, though they may still be killed by the Black Hole itself by other factors I'm unaware of/you didn't list (for example, I don't know if their resistance to radiation would matter compared to a Black Hole).

Oh yeah that is that.......it wouldn't cover really, plus BH have no air, so they would honestly suffucate, i don't think they even have the LS to get out either

For Buu, I listed him surviving because he can just regenerate and clone himself, so he could literally pull a Metal Cooler or Baby. Throw a version of him in, reappear far away with a preset Buu.

i mean.....i guess? Kind of situational tho, but i guess it is fair

 

[Omegabronic]

Would immeasurable speed help someone avoid the effect of the Black Hole while there literally in the middle of a Black Hole?

Yeah, they would see said Black Hole as completely frozen and could travel from before they were inside

 

[Huesito88]

Yeah, they would see said Black Hole as completely frozen and could travel from before they were inside

Well if that's the case then we just need immeasurable speed canon dbs to be able to "survive" in a black hole

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Well if that's the case then we just need immeasurable speed canon dbs to be able to "survive" in a black hole

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Well if that's the case then we just need immeasurable speed canon dbs to be able to "survive" in a black hole

Issue is it depends on how the black hole is depicted from a fictional standpoint. If it is literally 1 to 1 with the real thing maybe you can make the argument, otherwise it's up in the air and we have to focus on how they depict the black hole

 

[Huesito88]

Issue is it depends on how the black hole is depicted from a fictional standpoint. If it is literally 1 to 1 with the real thing maybe you can make the argument, otherwise it's up in the air and we have to focus on how they depict the black hole

That's not a issue the question is can DBZ character survive a Black Hole, not will DBZ ever show a Black Hole and have it be portrayed correctly in the story