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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Here's what Frieza to Buu Saga scaling looks like with the new Frieza multiplier, and without the Solar System feat
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Cell's solar system calc gets surpassed by SSJ Gotenks and anyone who's SSJ2 level and above is solar system level
 
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There's also a statement in ELM that says Semi-Perfect Cell is 10x Imperfect Cell. Seeing how currently we only have him at 2x, that means the ratings get up to 5x from here
 
Mfers wait until after I leave to try an infinite uni 7 crt. Like I already know how it's gonna go, but c'mon.

Okay, before I even take a look at it, I'm placing a bet now, Damage disagrees, probably Omega too, there will be someone trying to talk about a downgrade, someone will for some reason bring up the composition cosmology and some mod will say we should uncomposite it, the bulk of the thread is OP arguing with one mod while everyone else squabbles in semantics, and it will be at least 5 pages

I'll be back after I read it to see how close I am
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Mfers wait until after I leave to try an infinite uni 7 crt. Like I already know how it's gonna go, but c'mon.

Okay, before I even take a look at it, I'm placing a bet now, Damage disagrees, probably Omega too, there will be someone trying to talk about a downgrade, someone will for some reason bring up the composition cosmology and some mod will say we should uncomposite it, the bulk of the thread is OP arguing with one mod while everyone else squabbles in semantics, and it will be at least 5 pages

I'll be back after I read it to see how close I am
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Lmao
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Shouldn't Perfect Cell be 3x Imperfect Cell, bare minimum, by adding Android 18's power onto its own?
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Perfect Cell currently is >4x Imperfect Cell since he's stronger than Goku who's far stronger than Semi-Perfect with just half his power. Perfect would be >20x Imperfect if we take into account the EML statement
Nullflowerblush said:
American version of Shonen Jump 2003, issue #1.
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I might be really blind but the canon statement isn't here but every other Q&A is here, it's actually fake lmao
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Perfect Cell currently is >4x Imperfect Cell since he's stronger than Goku who's far stronger than Semi-Perfect with just half his power. Perfect would be >20x Imperfect if we take into account the EML statement

I might be really blind but the canon statement isn't here but every other Q&A is here, it's actually fake lmao
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Allegedly it comes from here? Also, other questions are missing too. Such as Puar’s Gender and what the Z stands for, which I know for a fact are real because they’re in other Kanzenshuu Interview archives. So I think maybe they just cobbled together every single Q&A they could find?
 
RedReaper said:
Allegedly it comes from here? Also, other questions are missing too. Such as Puar’s Gender and what the Z stands for, which I know for a fact are real because they’re in other Kanzenshuu Interview archives. So I think maybe they just cobbled together every single Q&A they could find?
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This is almost completely different in comparison to other one, I think the other one was just fake straight up and this is the real scan

The real one is just "Dragon Ball is the anime and manga" the fake one is just "well I see it as the same canon"
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Perfect Cell currently is >4x Imperfect Cell since he's stronger than Goku who's far stronger than Semi-Perfect with just half his power.
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Perfect Cell being 8894.69465 Quettatons at the lowest affects the Cell Juniors, Post-RoSaT Vegeta & Trunks, and Post-RoSaT Piccolo. Then, Goku jumps up to 17789.3893 Quettatons, and Gohan jumps up to 18.7651786 Foe.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Perfect Cell being 8894.69465 Quettatons at the lowest affects the Cell Juniors, Post-RoSaT Vegeta & Trunks, and Post-RoSaT Piccolo. Then, Goku jumps up to 17789.3893 Quettatons, and Gohan jumps up to 18.7651786 Foe.
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But we know for a fact Cell is above Goku? Also I just remembered Perfect Cell scales comparably to SS1 Gohan so yeah he should be >50x Semi-Perfect (Semi < Trunks ~ Piccolo < Shin < Base Gohan 50x< SS1 Gohan)
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I'm not too sure, I remember seeing the full thing once. I'll try to find it in sometime (Should be in one of Lonk's videos)
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Nullflowerblush said:
Do we know where this even came from?
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Apparently an Oct.1989 Shonen Jump Special Issue.

EDIT: I’ve also found the raws for the page. EDIT-2: Also the initial page.

Item's picture
 
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Ednaxel2 said:
Here's what Frieza to Buu Saga scaling looks like with the new Frieza multiplier, and without the Solar System feat
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Ednaxel2/Sandbox1

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Cell's solar system calc gets surpassed by SSJ Gotenks and anyone who's SSJ2 level and above is solar system level
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Unless my brain isn't braining, isn't 59 Quettatons, Small Star level?
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Two threads were made separating the Super Perfect Cell feat from regular physicals, we don't know how Damage is gonna handle it so for now we'll just scale the characters without the feat
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Ahhh. Though I thought that the Buu Saga SSJ2+ characters would scale to/above it directly? Given how firmly established how they’re above SSJ2 Teen Gohan and SP. Cell they are?
 
RedReaper said:
Ahhh. Though I thought that the Buu Saga SSJ2+ characters would scale to/above it directly? Given how firmly established how they’re above SSJ2 Teen Gohan and SP. Cell they are?
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It's vague, they're only established to be "stronger than Gohan" nothing more, it can just infer that they're overall stronger, as in both on a physical basis and with charged attacks

Would be dumb to assume Vegeta or other characters thought Gohan's kamehameha is equal to his physicals, or that he can't differentiate either
 
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Ahhh. Though I thought that the Buu Saga SSJ2+ characters would scale to/above it directly? Given how firmly established how they’re above SSJ2 Teen Gohan and SP. Cell they are?
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Last thing I remember is the proposal from others was that SSJ3 Goku would scale directly to/above it due to him having unprecedented levels of Ki.

But I'm waiting until the prior sagas are settled from the current ongoing revisions before I re-open that topic.
 
Damage3245 said:
But I'm waiting until the prior sagas are settled from the current ongoing revisions before I re-open that topic.
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Well debunk thread I made has been done, check out Goku's raditz/saiyan/namek saga keys
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Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...
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I think next is to just propose that new Planet Vegeta calc, but I'll wait until that Namek calc gets proposed and see how that goes
 
Damage3245 said:
Last thing I remember is the proposal from others was that SSJ3 Goku would scale directly to/above it due to him having unprecedented levels of Ki.

But I'm waiting until the prior sagas are settled from the current ongoing revisions before I re-open that topic.
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Speaking of, Damage, since I now have the time to add DBS Bardock’s profile, how do I do whilst also connecting him to the “Articles About” tab?
 
RedReaper said:
Speaking of, Damage, since I now have the time to add DBS Bardock’s profile, how do I do whilst also connecting him to the “Articles About” tab?
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Anyone can post a new page you can do that; I'll update the template for Bardock.

If you click the red link on here, you can paste the contents of the new page ehre.
 
Done. Though I anticipated him to just be named “Super” instead of Manga due to the fact he’s got information from Dragon Ball Minus, Dragon Ball Super: Broly, and the Dragon Ball Super Manga.
 
RedReaper said:
Done. Though I anticipated him to just be named “Super” instead of Manga due to the fact he’s got information from Dragon Ball Minus, Dragon Ball Super: Broly, and the Dragon Ball Super Manga.
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Alright. Renamed the page to be: Bardock (DBS Manga) to be consistent with othetr DBS manga pages.
 
RedReaper said:
Done. Though I anticipated him to just be named “Super” instead of Manga due to the fact he’s got information from Dragon Ball Minus, Dragon Ball Super: Broly, and the Dragon Ball Super Manga.
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I mean Minus was way before super, I think Manga makes enough sense

Also I think other profiles like Goku Black, Grand Priest & Jiren should just be "Manga"/"Anime" not "DBS Manga"/"DBS Anime" since they don't appear in anything outside of DBS anime except for Super Hero which is a non-issue
 
Oh, it wasn’t a complaint—I had just anticipated it following with the other naming conventions of DBS Characters (especially since DBS Bardock is a retcon, as Toriyama stated in interview he had canonized Father of Goku into his Manga {meaning the Toei Bardock reference wasn’t just an Easter Egg, and legitimately his origin in the Original Series/Z} many years before he altered his origin in 2013 in Jaco the Patrolman.)
 
TiltedFN said:
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Infinite universe DB Redux

Yep, we're bringing infinite universe back, I don't think the old counterarguments really hold up, so I made a blog explaining why infinite universe is actually correct and should be added back to the cosmology. Please do not discuss other things, such as what characters scale, ratings, etc...
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wait so what exactly were the disagreements about?
 
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