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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread
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“I heard even Dabura couldn’t beat it!”
So they’re as strong as Cell. Damn.
So they’re as strong as Cell. Damn.
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Tbf, even in the Buu saga, SP Cell or just P Cell would be considered decent.
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Ya it's not the like trunks easily cutting up frieza then goku blocking that same sword with a finger,
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Haven't watched the episode yet, but was it stated they were even or so? I mean, Dabura could have been hopelessly outmatched or something.
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The statement is exactly as I quoted it. Panzy claims rumor has it even Dabura couldn’t beat them. How hard it was for him isn’t ever established. Given how “unbeatable” they’re supposed to be, though, it’s more than reasonable to presume they stomped him.
Also, Magic Collars have apparently been around since Dabura’s reign—Him having introduced them at the suggestion of Arinsu.
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Dunno why bro, I still remember the other day when you thought Goku and co had White Magic
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Shin finally does something other than walking with his hand behind his back
Katchin metal is stated to be indestructible
Katchin metal is stated to be indestructible
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W
Well by anything you could call mundane anyway
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Probably by anything on the level of the 3rd demon world at least, shin needed to use a spell to do it
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So Goku next episode is fighting the Tamagami in his base and they are confirmed to be stronger than Dabura
Base Goku> dabura????
Base Goku> dabura????
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Given Shin's and Narrator statements pre-depowered Goku is > Ultimate Gohan LOL. So Daima Mini Goku might still be stronger than Buu Saga Goku.So Goku next episode is fighting the Tamagami in his base and they are confirmed to be stronger than Dabura
Base Goku> dabura????
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This assumes he'll be able to handle it in base, which is unlikely, then again, it's ToeiSo Goku next episode is fighting the Tamagami in his base and they are confirmed to be stronger than Dabura
Base Goku> dabura????
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So Goku next episode is fighting the Tamagami in his base and they are confirmed to be stronger than Dabura
Base Goku> dabura????
Looks either ssj or ssj2 to me but regardless, if it's really ssj, it'd be pretty cool knowing that a post Majin buu saga ssj goku is >= Super perfect cell?
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SSJ2 is a x2 multipler, so of course it would've been easy for Goku to overcome this gap in a relatively short time
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Honestly Goku not surpassing Super Perfect Cell in just SS1 would feel weird. Daima opens up with the narrator saying Goku is the strongest, including Ultimate Gohan. So Base Goku by the time of Daima should be at least as strong as Base Gotenks.
SS3 Goku (Daima) > Ultimate Gohan > SS3 Gotenks > Super Buu > (400x) > Base Goku (Daima) > Base Gotenks > Fat Buu = SS3 Goku (Buu) > (4x) > SS2 Goku (Buu) > SS2 Gohan (Teen) > Super Perfect Cell
Of course we don't know how much weaker Goku is as a first grader but if he really is stronger than Gohan then he should be capable of one shotting Super Perfect Cell in his base form as an adult.
Worth noting that by the time of the Super manga Goku is shown image training as an SS1 and he one shots Cell then nearly fights Kid Buu. So there is some basis there.
SS3 Goku (Daima) > Ultimate Gohan > SS3 Gotenks > Super Buu > (400x) > Base Goku (Daima) > Base Gotenks > Fat Buu = SS3 Goku (Buu) > (4x) > SS2 Goku (Buu) > SS2 Gohan (Teen) > Super Perfect Cell
Of course we don't know how much weaker Goku is as a first grader but if he really is stronger than Gohan then he should be capable of one shotting Super Perfect Cell in his base form as an adult.
Worth noting that by the time of the Super manga Goku is shown image training as an SS1 and he one shots Cell then nearly fights Kid Buu. So there is some basis there.
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Or what I find more likely, daima is taking kid buu being the strongest to heart and goku could have easily ended the buu saga whenever he was an active combatant but for some reason "vegeta's pride" didn't
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Sure, maybe. I could buy the idea that Saiyans grow stronger after using fusion or something but that's not mentioned anywhere to my knowledge, unfortunately.
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Ultimate Gohan got five pages of beating up Super Buu. Then Super Buu exploded, absorbed Gotenks and then made Gohan look like a complete joke. The power up was essentially just empty hype for Gohan to just job.
Thinking back on it I can't think of Gohan even getting any significant Ws with his Ultimate form. He tied with Kefla in the manga and had an edge over Gamma 1. The closest to an actual W would be Dyspo but he could only pull that off with Freeza.
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The only victory I can think of against than random Ki-Feinter guy in the DBS.
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Nop goku SS3 just always could have killed buu. At any point at all.
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He would've lost to gamma 1 eventually even, as he couldn't damage it enough to end the fight and his stamina was not going to allow him keep going for too long iirc
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No necessarily. That was Pre - Majin-Amp -Dabura.
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True but the Majin amp isn't demonstrated as being particularly massive, just a significant increase in power. Spopovich went from vaguely inferior to Hercule to being somewhat stronger than Videl and capable of using basic Ki techniques. Vegeta went from being a good bit weaker than Goku base-to-base to being slightly stronger than him as SSJ2's. It's a decent buff but not like, a Super Saiyan level amp or anything.
Depending on interpretation (as-in if you think Goku was comparing Dabura to Super Perfect Cell or just Perfect Cell), pre-amp Dabura was probably at least around Perfect Cell tier characters. And remember he was strong enough that merely seeing him was very concerning to Shin and Kibito who have decent scaling in their own right.
No doubt the Tamagami's are at absolute bare minimum high-tier Cell Saga level. Daima Goku also scales to this statement without Tamagami scaling just because even after hearing that they were superior to Dabura back in the day he is only eager to fight them, meaning Daima Goku is confident he could beat Dabura.
This was already the basic assumption of course but it's nice to have confirmation.
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Btw guys is the Kachinite stuff used for collars supposed to be Katchin or is it something different. Translation stuff can get messy so I want to confirm.
If it is, then the fact that it's considered indestructible for Buu Saga tier characters is even more good scaling, for people that feel like Kachin>base Z Sword Gohan wasn't good enough.
If it is, then the fact that it's considered indestructible for Buu Saga tier characters is even more good scaling, for people that feel like Kachin>base Z Sword Gohan wasn't good enough.
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I think (?) it’s supposed to be, (given DBZKai uses that name for it also) but I won’t lie and say it is FOR SURE because I literally have no understanding of JP and the DBWiki could be lying to me.
This does make me wonder what exactly the Kachi Katchin’s limit is supposed to be or where it comes from, because Katchin is from the Second Demon World.
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Not surprising everyone and their mother in the ToP was able to break it
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5D Goku and 6D Zeno when?
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Any month now someone will try it, I'm sure of it
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12D or were sending it back to the store
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So,
NishizumiShiho
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So, did Majin Buu origins was retcon once again or im missing something from Z?
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Bibidi created Buu in Z as said by the Supreme Kai, but it's now revealed he went to Marba to get her to create Majin Buu. Buu was not considered a successs as he went on a rampage in the Demon Realm.
So kinda? But it's more like a reveal then anything else.
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Well in DBZ it was said that Babidi created Majin Buu, but then Toriyama said that he had always existed, but now in Daima we return to the fact that Buu was created, but it was not Babidi...
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