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It's blocking an attack, not resisting a power.how come ki users dont have resistance to bio and power absorption with ki barriers? Vegito was able to resist it through that right?
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It's blocking an attack, not resisting a power.how come ki users dont have resistance to bio and power absorption with ki barriers? Vegito was able to resist it through that right?
and what stops that specific barrier technique aplication, that only Vegetto ever did, from being unique? like, if you want to affirm that it is a general abbility, you would need to prove thatWell, logically (as much this applies in this situation) by putting a Ki Barrier the Vegetto as able to not be complety affected by Buu powers of absorption by protecting his body.
is it an ability everyone can use? also the barrier Vegetto made is very different looking from Cell's or 17's, why WOULD it be the same if it looks different?Ki barrier Is a ability that everyone can use, what's make Vegetto Ki barrier special, but others doesn't exactly?
In the same vain, why would be a specific ability that no one can replicate? Like, the only difference between Vegetto Ki barrier and others Ki barriers is that he coated himself with It, instead of putting a big energy ball of energy. That's It.and what stops that specific barrier technique aplication, that only Vegetto ever did, from being unique?
I am sure most Ki abilities can be learn by others if they so desire, the point isn't "could they teoretically learn that technique?" it is "do they know how to do that technique?"In the same vain, why would be a specific ability that no one can replicate? Like, the only difference between Vegetto Ki barrier and others Ki barriers is that he coated himself with It, instead of putting a big energy ball of energy. That's It.
In the same vain, we can't say that it would work like Vegetto since 17 isn't VegettoWe can't say that If Android 17 try use a barrier to defend himself against Buu absorption It would't work, just because he is not Vegetto.
Nothing specialKi barrier technique was t a common technical back in Z iirc, it's in super that several people could also use it
Was there anything special stated bout Vegito's use of the barrier?
Well, the technique itself is just Vegetto putting a Ki Barrier to protect themself for being affected by a ability.I am sure most Ki abilities can be learn by others if they so desire, the point isn't "could they teoretically learn that technique?" it is "do they know how to do that technique?"
But we don't have proof to assume that's the case trought.In the same vain, we can't say that it would work like Vegetto since 17 isn't Vegetto
Well, both techniques involves the person using they energy to form a barrier to protect themselfs. They looking different is just visual, like a Ki blast having a different color or something.But like........what would make a different looking barrier be the same as the other barrier even tho they don't look alike?
Was it? Don't remember it coming up very often if at all, where is thr notion that it is a standard ability comes from again?Ki barrier technique was t a common technical back in Z iirc, it's in super that several people could also use it
From memory, those who shown using it are: kid goku, adult goku, vegeta, frieza, Adult gohan, broly, cell, android 17, android 13(?)Was it? Don't remember it coming up very often if at all, where is thr notion that it is a standard ability comes from again?
Do we know that it is just him using a normal barrier? I would also say that we can't assume that it is standard with no reason, Vegetto himself shows several unique techniques, with Buu also knowing about normal barriers via his absorptions of experienced Ki users(supposedly as it is supposedly a basic Ki ability everyone knows) ans yet he ia surprised as to how Vegetto survived? Also, if they could save themselves from being absorbed with something so "basic" why didn't Gotenks, Piccolo and Gohan didn't out up one as it envelopted them to try and save themselves if it would have this ability to protect them?Well, the technique itself is just Vegetto putting a Ki Barrier to protect themself for being affected by a ability.
If Vegetto Ki barrier had a special ability that makes him resistance to being absorbed, i would say no, but since the argument is that they could replicate the same thing Vegetto did, unless he actually have a special way to form a Ki Barrier, we can't assume is unique for no reason. The Ki Barriers looking different is a very small difference.
It looking completely different? Why would a technique suddently look completely different if it is supposed to be the exact same?But we don't have proof to assume that's the case trought.
Color is not the same as one ability being:Well, both techniques involves the person using they energy to form a barrier to protect themselfs. They looking different is just visual, like a Ki blast having a different color or something.
Outside of freeza and the androids and adult goku, don't remember any of them using any barrier at allFrom memory, those who shown using it are: kid goku, adult goku, vegeta, frieza, Adult gohan, broly, cell, android 17, android 13(?)
Then the arguments against it against anyone in super make no sense and requires a much larger burden of proofNothing special
Pretty sure only people who actually used it will be given the benefit and only if their skill level is on par, so basically only people in supe, just because limited resurrection is on the ki page doesn't mean everyone on that tier is assumed capableEven if it is an ability that anyone can theoretically used, it'd still be skill-based. We wouldn't assume that every single character can use the Destructo Disk and assume it's a part of their arsenal just because they have the capacity to learn it.
Pretty sure anyone who scales above him and has shown the ability to use that technique would scale to it, as earlier said, there nothing special about the ki barrier he uses.Likewise just because Vegetto used a Ki Barrier to block Buu's absorption doesn't mean we would assume everyone else can do that too.
They used I filler and movies. Vegeta against hirdugan, adult gohan vs the androids. Broly against videl.Outside of freeza and the androids and adult goku, don't remember any of them using any barrier at all
Well, filler is good and all, but we are talking about cannon hereThey used I filler and movies. Vegeta against hirdugan, adult gohan vs the androids. Broly against videl.
Well, this would apply to the anime too pretty sure.Well, filler is good and all, but we are talking about cannon here
Goku and VegetaCorrection: any character superior to Vegetto should be capable of this. Not necessarily that they can do it.
There's an important distinction. A character still needs knowledge/skill, not just capability.
The Toei anime maybe, but it wouldn't count for the manga continuityWell, this would apply to the anime too pretty sure.
Yeah, like what else It would be?Do we know that it is just him using a normal barrier?
He really din't trought. Like, besides the energy blade, most of what he shown is not that unique. And even then, that's would't mean his Ki Barriers are special too.I would also say that we can't assume that it is standard with no reason, Vegetto himself shows several unique techniques,
Using Buu absorbed knowleged don't really work. Like, MF try to use Smoke to try to blind Vegetto, even trought he have knowlegement Vegetto can sense his Ki.with Buu also knowing about normal barriers via his absorptions of experienced Ki users(supposedly as it is supposedly a basic Ki ability everyone knows) ans yet he ia surprised as to how Vegetto survived?
They get caught off guard when Buu absorbed them and din't know about that the barrier could protect them, since they never tried.Also, if they could save themselves from being absorbed with something so "basic" why didn't Gotenks, Piccolo and Gohan didn't out up one as it envelopted them to try and save themselves if it would have this ability to protect them?
So? Is the same concept of using your energy to defend yourself for being affected, the way It looks is whatever.It looking completely different?
Maybe It could be because Vegetto need to get absorbed, so he coated himself with Energy, instead of using a energy ball, since It would alert Buu.Why would a technique suddently look completely different if it is supposed to be the exact same?
I actually change my stance, nevermind.Snip
I don't know.
probably not unless somebody is cooking behind the scenesI have a question, since the R>F transcendance standards got changed, is it possible that DBSH could get upgraded?
You mean if someone takes advantage and works on doing just that?probably not unless somebody is cooking behind the scenes
It should be Goku telling her to fly around earth to talk to Goten about entering the tournament and she said how she flew around the earth like 8 times and the timeframe takes around like less then a minute and she wasn’t even tiredPan did what?
BumpppppppppppppCould someone please implement the changes made in this thread?
Apologies but I might not have time to update the profiles. And use the updated blog to know what tiers are which and what reasoning has changed
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Can anyone edit your blog?Bumppppppppppppp
No one can edit a blog, only the person who made it. The blog is already editted thoCan anyone edit your blog?
Question. Wouldn’t removing the hypothetical multiplier scaling from Kaioken and Oozaru also axe hypothetical stats from downscaling/upscaling SSJ? I see no reason to assume different between the three when they’re all treated identically.No one can edit a blog, only the person who made it. The blog is already editted tho