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It's blocking an attack, not resisting a power.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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and what stops that specific barrier technique aplication, that only Vegetto ever did, from being unique? like, if you want to affirm that it is a general abbility, you would need to prove that
is it an ability everyone can use? also the barrier Vegetto made is very different looking from Cell's or 17's, why WOULD it be the same if it looks different?
Fezzih_007
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In the same vain, why would be a specific ability that no one can replicate? Like, the only difference between Vegetto Ki barrier and others Ki barriers is that he coated himself with It, instead of putting a big energy ball of energy. That's It.
We can't say that If Android 17 try use a barrier to defend himself against Buu absorption It would't work, just because he is not Vegetto.
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I am sure most Ki abilities can be learn by others if they so desire, the point isn't "could they teoretically learn that technique?" it is "do they know how to do that technique?"
In the same vain, we can't say that it would work like Vegetto since 17 isn't Vegetto
But like........what would make a different looking barrier be the same as the other barrier even tho they don't look alike? i dom't understand where this assumption is coming from
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Ki barrier technique wasn't a common technical back in Z iirc, it's in super that several people could also use it
Was there anything special stated bout Vegito's use of the barrier?
Was there anything special stated bout Vegito's use of the barrier?
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Nothing special
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Well, the technique itself is just Vegetto putting a Ki Barrier to protect themself for being affected by a ability.
If Vegetto Ki barrier had a special ability that makes him resistance to being absorbed, i would say no, but since the argument is that they could replicate the same thing Vegetto did, unless he actually have a special way to form a Ki Barrier, we can't assume is unique for no reason. The Ki Barriers looking different is a very small difference.
But we don't have proof to assume that's the case trought.
Well, both techniques involves the person using they energy to form a barrier to protect themselfs. They looking different is just visual, like a Ki blast having a different color or something.
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Was it? Don't remember it coming up very often if at all, where is thr notion that it is a standard ability comes from again?
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From memory, those who shown using it are: kid goku, adult goku, vegeta, frieza, Adult gohan, broly, cell, android 17, android 13(?)
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Even if it is an ability that anyone can theoretically used, it'd still be skill-based. We wouldn't assume that every single character can use the Destructo Disk and assume it's a part of their arsenal just because they have the capacity to learn it.
Likewise just because Vegetto used a Ki Barrier to block Buu's absorption doesn't mean we would assume everyone else can do that too.
Likewise just because Vegetto used a Ki Barrier to block Buu's absorption doesn't mean we would assume everyone else can do that too.
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of course gohan gets a zenkai in the anime and not the manga
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Do we know that it is just him using a normal barrier? I would also say that we can't assume that it is standard with no reason, Vegetto himself shows several unique techniques, with Buu also knowing about normal barriers via his absorptions of experienced Ki users(supposedly as it is supposedly a basic Ki ability everyone knows) ans yet he ia surprised as to how Vegetto survived? Also, if they could save themselves from being absorbed with something so "basic" why didn't Gotenks, Piccolo and Gohan didn't out up one as it envelopted them to try and save themselves if it would have this ability to protect them?
It looking completely different? Why would a technique suddently look completely different if it is supposed to be the exact same?
Color is not the same as one ability being:
1 used in a way we never saw it being used before
2 looking completely different from any other moments it was ever used
Color is a detail, looking completely different is not, again, if you want to argue it is a basic barrier no different from the rest, when it looks completely different, please show proof of why would that be the case
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Outside of freeza and the androids and adult goku, don't remember any of them using any barrier at all
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Then the arguments against it against anyone in super make no sense and requires a much larger burden of proof
Pretty sure only people who actually used it will be given the benefit and only if their skill level is on par, so basically only people in supe, just because limited resurrection is on the ki page doesn't mean everyone on that tier is assumed capable
Pretty sure anyone who scales above him and has shown the ability to use that technique would scale to it, as earlier said, there nothing special about the ki barrier he uses.
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Any character superior to Vegetto should have this ability
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Correction: any character superior to Vegetto should be capable of this. Not necessarily that they can do it.
There's an important distinction. A character still needs knowledge/skill, not just capability.
There's an important distinction. A character still needs knowledge/skill, not just capability.
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They used I filler and movies. Vegeta against hirdugan, adult gohan vs the androids. Broly against videl.
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Well, filler is good and all, but we are talking about cannon here
Fezzih_007
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Well, this would apply to the anime too pretty sure.
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Goku and Vegeta
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The Toei anime maybe, but it wouldn't count for the manga continuity
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Yeah, like what else It would be?
He really din't trought. Like, besides the energy blade, most of what he shown is not that unique. And even then, that's would't mean his Ki Barriers are special too.
Using Buu absorbed knowleged don't really work. Like, MF try to use Smoke to try to blind Vegetto, even trought he have knowlegement Vegetto can sense his Ki.
Other reason your argument don't work is because Buu has no reason to know would Vegetto put a Ki Barrier, and that he ability would't work. Like, he absorption worked every time, and suddenly It din't work this time, he is obvious he would be surprised.
And also, none of the guys he absorbed would know they can use a Ki Barrier to protect themself of the absorption, since they never tried.
They get caught off guard when Buu absorbed them and din't know about that the barrier could protect them, since they never tried.
So? Is the same concept of using your energy to defend yourself for being affected, the way It looks is whatever.
Maybe It could be because Vegetto need to get absorbed, so he coated himself with Energy, instead of using a energy ball, since It would alert Buu.
I don't know.
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It's more of a limitation of Buu's power I'd say
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I actually change my stance, nevermind.
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Occums Razor only seems to apply when it means not giving someone an ability lol.
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When has it not applied, exactly?
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lol don't worry about it
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Nullflowerblush
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Pan did what?
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I have a question, since the R>F transcendance standards got changed, is it possible that DBSH could get upgraded?
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probably not unless somebody is cooking behind the scenes
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You mean if someone takes advantage and works on doing just that?
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It should be Goku telling her to fly around earth to talk to Goten about entering the tournament and she said how she flew around the earth like 8 times and the timeframe takes around like less then a minute and she wasn’t even tired
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BumpppppppppppppCould someone please implement the changes made in this thread?
Apologies but I might not have time to update the profiles. And use the updated blog to know what tiers are which and what reasoning has changed
Updated Dragon Ball AP Ratings
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Can anyone edit your blog?
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No one can edit a blog, only the person who made it. The blog is already editted tho
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Question. Wouldn’t removing the hypothetical multiplier scaling from Kaioken and Oozaru also axe hypothetical stats from downscaling/upscaling SSJ? I see no reason to assume different between the three when they’re all treated identically.
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