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Wait tell they hear goku only lives to 100
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Wait tell they hear goku only lives to 100
Four days eh
There could be a quote saying it is infinite, but it only says it is big.
I was about to mention that too. Super Saiyan Power might have just been made canon.The most significant thing to me here is that in this episode Super Saiyan Power makes a reappearance. It briefly seemed to appear in DBS: Broly when Vegeta was first transforming, but that could be argued to simply be Vegeta drawing out how long it takes to power up as the energy rises in his body. This is pretty inarguable, though. Goku turns SSJ, goes back down, and maintains his SSJ Aura in Base to strengthen himself and defeat fodder. Now, what does Super Saiyan Power add to Powerscaling? Absolutely nothing. I just think it's amazing how a concept made up by the old Z Anime to write off a last second change and effectively a "correct animation error" (as strange as that sounds) has become a completely and totally accepted part of Dragon Ball. It's great and I love it.
Map of cosmology, i see infinite points.
muh cosmology
This is a good guess that I think has value in it. My only detractor is we don’t know how much the Wish nerfed Goku yet, exactly, so for all intents and purposes it’ll probably only be nebulously stronger than Dabura. Especially because—You have to remember—So far the final boss (outside of any leak info) is gearing up to be Gomah with the 3rd Eye, which he was confident would make him unbeatable to everyone, including SSJ3 Goku and Buu. So unless the Tamagamis end up superior to 3rd Eye Gomah, they have to sit between “Above Dabura” and “Beneath SSJ3/3rd Eye Gomah.”So just a general question, but how strong do you think the Tamagami warriors will be? If I had to take a guess, they are probably around the SSJ2 Gohan, Vegeta and Goku level given that no one's ever beaten them, which presumably includes Dabura. I think it's a stretch to assume they're at the SSJ3 level, but then again, we still have no idea how the story's gonna go. What do you guys think?
Yeah, it's a slippery slope to make these guesses since we don't have enough info like you said. Thinking it over, it's possible that the Tamagami could rival Buu. Glorio was confident that Goku could defeat Gomah since he'd already defeated Buu, but when Goku expressed the desire to fight the Tamagami, Glorio believed it wouldn't be possible at first. This is another large stretch, but I just wanna mull over everything we know so far. I'm sure that 3rd Eye Gomah is going to end up being the strongest in this arc since there's already been a set-up, and I imagine he's going to rival or potentially surpass Buu when he gets that power. But overall, I think the SSJ2 level would still be the safe bet for the Tamagami's level.This is a good guess that I think has value in it. My only detractor is we don’t know how much the Wish nerfed Goku yet, exactly, so for all intents and purposes it’ll probably only be nebulously stronger than Dabura. Especially because—You have to remember—So far the final boss (outside of any leak info) is gearing up to be Gomah with the 3rd Eye, which he was confident would make him unbeatable to everyone, including SSJ3 Goku and Buu. So unless the Tamagamis end up superior to 3rd Eye Gomah, they have to sit between “Above Dabura” and “Beneath SSJ3/3rd Eye Gomah.”
They could play around it by having Dabura simply have never tried, though.
Okay, I find this bit interesting but I am kind of lost. What do you mean with Super Saiyan Power and "animation error"?The most significant thing to me here is that in this episode Super Saiyan Power makes a reappearance. It briefly seemed to appear in DBS: Broly when Vegeta was first transforming, but that could be argued to simply be Vegeta drawing out how long it takes to power up as the energy rises in his body. This is pretty inarguable, though. Goku turns SSJ, goes back down, and maintains his SSJ Aura in Base to strengthen himself and defeat fodder. Now, what does Super Saiyan Power add to Powerscaling? Absolutely nothing. I just think it's amazing how a concept made up by the old Z Anime to write off a last second change and effectively a "correct animation error" (as strange as that sounds) has become a completely and totally accepted part of Dragon Ball. It's great and I love it.
Depends on how you interpret the statements. At the very least it can be assumed they are superior to Dabura, so top-tier Cell Saga level at the bare minimum, but I think this is lowballing.So just a general question, but how strong do you think the Tamagami warriors will be? If I had to take a guess, they are probably around the SSJ2 Gohan, Vegeta and Goku level given that no one's ever beaten them, which presumably includes Dabura. I think it's a stretch to assume they're at the SSJ3 level, but then again, we still have no idea how the story's gonna go. What do you guys think?
Super Saiyan Power is the nickname for the anime filler scene in the Otherworld Tournament arc where Pikkon and Goku leave from the Grand Kai's planet to deal with some old villains in Hell (the infamous anime speed feat calced to quadrillions of times FTL that base Goku casually performed, fyi).Okay, I find this bit interesting but I am kind of lost. What do you mean with Super Saiyan Power and "animation error"?
Ah, yeah, I remember that. It drew my attention as well when I first saw it. I can see the Studio's reasoning, IIRC when Goku goes SSJ against Paikuhan during their fight it's treated as an important moment. But yeah, kinda neat they built a bit of lore from what was essentially an animation patch.Super Saiyan Power is the nickname for the anime filler scene in the Otherworld Tournament arc where Pikkon and Goku leave from the Grand Kai's planet to deal with some old villains in Hell (the infamous anime speed feat calced to quadrillions of times FTL that base Goku casually performed, fyi).
There, Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan to beat up the Ginyu Force for some reason. But the studio looked back on this and decided they didn't like it, not because of the weird thing of Goku using SSJ to beat fodder but because they wanted him to "save" it so it would be more eventful when he used it in the tournament portion of the filler arc. But instead of redoing the whole sequence, they kinda lazily just turned his hair black but left it spiky with the golden aura. And thus, Super Saiyan "Power" was born. Since then there's been subtle occurrences where base Saiyan's have a SSJ aura, and people think this is a reference.
Super Saiyan/partial manifestation
It is possible for a Saiyan to partially manifest Super Saiyan power in their base form without actually turning into a Super Saiyan. Originally, in "Warriors of the Dead", Goku turned into a Super Saiyan when fighting the Ginyu Force, as indicated by the trailer for the episode. However, this...dragonball.fandom.com
Goku's base is weakened so his SSJ should be in the same boatDoes Ssj1 Daima have the same power as adult Ssj1 level?
Now Goku has been dowgrade to the mainland versionGoku's base is weakened so his SSJ should be in the same boat
We have no idea how strong Mini Goku is lol.Does Ssj1 Daima have the same power as adult Ssj1 level?
To be fair, in-universe the reason why Goku WANTS to go is because he was told they were strong. He just ended up also simultaneously pointing out a good reason why they should fight them. But also, Goku has no actual reference to their strength outside of "Stronger than Glorio, who is stronger than a Nerfed Shin." At best he could think "Stronger than Dabura" since he knows he's the King and never got a wish either. So it's totally possible for the Tamagamis to under or over perform in general because our reference point for them (and Goku's reference point) is very nebulous and vague. It's also possible, given how JRPG this has been, they're gonna do some level grinding. Goku goes, gets his ass kicked, leaves, and then returns after some leveling up to fight the Tamagamis. Seems very Dragon Quest, which is clearly what Toriyama took inspiration from.We have no idea how strong Mini Goku is lol.
SSJ is a fixed multiplier so if his base is 10x weaker then his SSJ form is also 10x weaker. But realistically it seems like he's not even comparable to his adult self, based on what's been happening in the show. On the other hand him, Supreme Kai, Glorio, and others after seeing his strength think he can match potentially high-tier Buu Saga characters anyways so that could be wrong. If so his Ki isn't really different, just his physical form, which has so far only impacted his balance and melee range. This could definitely be the case but it remains to be seen. It just doesn't make sense to me that they would want Goku to immediately go fight the Tamagami's and then beat up Gomah and Degesu if he's not still very powerful. Unless they're just overhyped fodder. But I mean Goku needed to go Super Saiyan for actual nameless fodder last episode so eh.
Just doesn't seem consistent right now.
Or that Dabura himself wouldn't have done it. The Tamagami's are described as being ridiculously strong for the Demon Realm and going completely uncontested, so I think it's fair to say they surpass Dabura.I would say my first impression is that the Tamagamis must be stronger than Cell at least. I have a hard time believing Babidi wouldn't have been interested in using Dabura to use the Dragon Balls if Dabura were strong enough to win. And we know from the trailer that Goku will use Super Saiyan 2 so we can say that Daima Goku is probably stronger than Teen Gohan.
It's so cool to show that the guides are right about the Kaioshins being born from a tree
I don't remember much because I haven't read the DB guides for a long time, but all I know is that it was a tree that gave life to the Kaioshins and I don't know if it specified where it was, so maybe it's a flashback.I mean that information was given by Toriyama himself in interview and given further depth (by him presumably) in the updated Daizenshuu (Chouzenshuu) which is validated by him as an accurate and reliable guide. So it stood to reason it was accurate. Though, if I recall correctly the World Core Tree is supposed to be in Otherworld/The Afterlife, not the Demon Realm. So it is changed a bit. Unless that’s a flashback…?
Toriyama when he needs to make a race that has different needs than humans:-Goku remarks thats why Supreme Kai doesn't eat and only drinks liquids.
If there are two suns so the size of the third demonic realm would be planetary or star-shaped to fit two suns?-Third Demon World has two suns.
Glad a main character is actively a magic user. Always thought that it was a pretty unexplored power in the original series.-Glorio vs Goku was actually good. Glorio uses magic. Makes lightning and can make a lightning whip.
Also Goku was hurt by toilet paper. RIP powerscaling.
Z goku hurt by a rockAlso Goku was hurt by toilet paper. RIP powerscaling.
You understood wrong. They meant that the Earth dragon Balls can use "White Magic", nor that goku and co posses some type of "White Magic", this and that Shenlong can't grant evil wishes such as killing someone. Basically this type is linked by laws of "good" and "bad". So they have limitations. However, the DBs that Tamagamis are protecting apparently do not have this handicap.Well, they say “Due to their vast white magic (Ki), I doubt a Black Wish could be used.” Implying that it’s due to their significant battle powers relative to the Eternal Dragon that prevents “Wishing for death.” Meaning that the Wishes take into account strength like they did in Z, but there’s a line you can walk with it to avoid that limit.
Didn't earlier episodes already suggest at this?So does the new episode just confirm that Daima (pre-depowering) Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan?
Might also tie to Manga DBS Goku thinking he can beat Kid Buu with just SS1Didn't earlier episodes already suggest at this?
But yeah, it should. Nice confirmation for BoG Goku before the ritual.
This also means Golrio could one-shot Piccolo lolanother thing to note is Goku was handling Glorio(someone stated to be stronger than Supreme kai) in his base for some time and really only turned SSJ for fun since Goku was just taking him with only 1 arm at one point
According to Chikashi Kubota, chief animator of Dragon Ball Super: SUPER HERO and DAIMA, he worked very hard on the remake of the Z scenes in those productions because, today, fans have the habit of pausing every frame to check the quality and he didn't want to be criticized by the otaku