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The current calc is the best one, though. The whole Solar System nets less, ironically.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Want to get it downgraded?
Nullflowerblush
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The current calculation also relies upon the visual depiction of the attack from Dragon Ball Kai: Ultimate Butōden, the Nintendo DS game.
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Damage. Damage. Add my Bardock paaage. (I can’t right now.)
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Also, a little weird—the calculation assumes that the Solar Kamehameha would have exploded on Earth and then just consumed the entire solar system (like the game suggests), but, like, the Father-Son Kamehameha bulldozes right through Cell and detonates without taking out the solar system. Hell, neither did Vegeta's Final Explosion.
The calculation relies on a measurement of destruction capacity that isn't at all consistent with the manga.
The calculation relies on a measurement of destruction capacity that isn't at all consistent with the manga.
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I mean, that lies in the same realm of Vegeta’s “planetary” Final Flash flying off and bopping off the map (what ONLY LOOKS LIKE a star) and not affecting anyone nearby, doesn’t it?
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Actually, no... I had quickly calced the AP to destroy the Solar System from the Sun to Pluto (which would be what Toriyama was thinking of by Solar System, and likely what he was thinking that the blast would do) and it’s either 394.7860 Kilofoe using the Perihelion to 1062.7838 KiloFoe using the Aphihelion
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ngl the blast might have just flown off into planet without actually hitting anything if it just went straight forward
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How so? The ability is explained fine, but the contradictions show how it is clearly inconsistent based on what is explained.
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Actually, how did this calc end up being lost the shuffle
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Because there isn't any contradictions, at no point does King Crimson actually break its rules
Hell half that video ignores sup material too, as if it doesn't explain how it works in detail because nobody seems to comprehend it
It's just mfs not paying attention, as usual, wouldn't be the first time, or 10th, or hell even 50th time
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Case and point, that's like 8x lower.
also planes take time to accelerate to max speed, it's a good calc but it's kinda generous.
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Isn’t Diavolo’s blood splattering on Pol literally a prime example, since nothing Diavolo does is allowed to affect others as it’s about Fate? As the ad hoc explanation for how he affects others despite being intangible is “Fate still playing out,” (which then runs into questionable scenes based on lack of reactions, or then makes the noticing of Time Skip weird because logically it wouldn’t feel out of place), and thus still create a contradiction? Or am I missing something?Because there isn't any contradictions, at no point does King Crimson actually break its rules
Hell half that video ignores sup material too, as if it doesn't explain how it works in detail because nobody seems to comprehend it
It's just mfs not paying attention, as usual, wouldn't be the first time, or 10th, or hell even 50th time
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It's still in the same ballpark of Class M though, and Ozaru Goku did that pretty casually all things considered
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Um, shouldn't this discussion happen here?
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I mean, not really. Despite being the Dragon Ball thread you can still talk about other things. It’s just primarily Dragon Ball focused.
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Apparently, JOJOVELLER says Diavolo can interact with his blood, as it's an extension of his body, hence why the blood never actually touched Polneraff until time resumed, like how DIO can still throw knives or blind Jotaro with his own blood during stopped time; effectively, he's just readjusting himself like usual.
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No? That was never a rule? He just can not physically touch them himself.
Veller even makes note that he can't actually attack in time skip, BUT, he can still use blood.
It was never at any point stated he can't **** with them due to fate, he can't **** with them because they technically don't exist, so he can't exactly punch them. which is the only reason blood is even used, as it affects them after time resumes and disorients them), enabling him to land said attack post skip (because he can't in it) with less difficulty.
That is quite literally why yes.
What reactions? They state no less than a dozen times that nothing is aware of what transpired when time was gone. What would they be reacting to? once time resumes they'd have no recollection of it, and even when time is gone they wouldn't because it's explicitly noted nothing is cognizant but Diavolo and is just fate playing out. Hell they state no less than 4 times the world and everything in it momentarily ceases to exist (which is why he's "intangible", it isn't that he's intangible, it's that he's the only thing that ISN'T. He directly states that the world being deleted is why shit phases through him in the manga itself).
Ie, not only isn't an issue, but literally explained on all accounts.
It makes perfect sense? Their consciousness isn't aware of what happened? not only because, little known fact everyone seems to ignore, the "characters" you see in time skip, aren't actually them, it's images created by Epitaph, as explained in the guide, and directly alluded to in his debut, which loops back around in why he can't interact with them directly till time resumes, but is the case explicitly because time is gone so events can't actually happen, and it's just his ability superimposing shit so he'd know what would happen and act accordingly
To them, it seems like they just teleported so they're disoriented once stuff goes back to normal, a fact that Diavolo literally exploits a bunch.
A lot apparently
Really need to get that blog out apparently
More or less yeah. I can literally post it too, I own that shit
This is correct, we shouldn't derail any further.
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Did he though? Kinda hard to tell if what he did was casual or not given beeg angry monkey.
And after factoring in plane accel to get true speed, and the like 50 antifeats at that point in the manga, idk, seems excessively beyond what the manga portrays them at.
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I would like to mention that this is not a discussion topic about JoJo, take this to the JoJo discussion and focus on DB
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Look right above ya, buddy.
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Upgrades?! In my Dragon Ball?!
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Your dragon ball?
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Yes, I own the verse now
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Who else here is named Dragon?
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@Damage3245 How much of Dragon Ball's Earth is covered by land? Any images of the globe are rather inconsistent from one another:
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Given that they're incosnistent there's no real true answer. Looks like it could be 50% in some shots. Others make it look closer to 30% like IRL Earth.
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Just use the final one given it's an official map that's been rehashed multiple times since (aka the intended layout).
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I take that with a grain a salt since when we irl try to flatten our own globe into a rectangular map, we end up stretching a distorting what it actually looks like. And also the land is pretty much a blob, hard to find the land area, let alone the percentage of land coverage, from it
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Well, yeah, but this is a manga
That issue doesnt exist here, when Toriyama drew that he obviously wasnt thinking like that. Some water would obviously be cropped out but if you looking for landmass, what ya see is what you get.
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How so?
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