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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Nullflowerblush
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How can I convince audiences that drinking the Ultra Divine Water increased Goku's power by ten-times?
Killerdrone123
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Did you find a statement that says his power was increased by ten folds or something
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Although she does need a warning for being condescending too. Nobody should be name calling but some posts of hers she should've been told to be more respectful.
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There was one time she put Dragon Ball out of nowhere in a crt Saint Seiya, i really don't understand what's going on here.
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Saint Seiya Verse-Wide Revision pt. 1
Okay Classic Gold Saints are done. im going to take a break now
"But i don't know if its accurate"
Veronica is a meme at this point istg
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Saint Seiya Verse-Wide Revision pt. 1
Okay Classic Gold Saints are done. im going to take a break nowvsbattles.com
"But i don't know if its accurate"
Veronica is a meme at this point istg
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What are we yapping about today my fellas 
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Is Bulma being able to create a time machine that has 5D range enough for her to be a super genius?What are we yapping about today my fellas
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Probably, but wiki standards kinda force it to be AP-related, not range so... Yesnt.
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It's just that in one part of the page it talks about preference in range.
And I don't think AP is mandatory, since the page mentions that one of the ways to get super genius is the thing below, which has nothing to do with AP;
Do you know any staff who are more experienced in this statistic? For me to ask. I remember Ant, but he's busy these days.
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Would grand priest being able to selectively remove their resistance to the gravity he created around the ToP stage count to his resistance negation?
Also would the automatic teleportation of the DQd fighters back to the seats men his spacetime manipulation isnt 'possibly'?
Also would the automatic teleportation of the DQd fighters back to the seats men his spacetime manipulation isnt 'possibly'?
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What are we yapping about today my fellas
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i might have found Veronica's youtube and reddit 
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Bakana NEVER!? its almost like their combat wasn't distinguished here
And here with piccolo saying they can get faster with energy Amplification
Its almost like flying at their top speeds doesn't drain them instantly and its clearly slower than their many other feats of combat speed feats as seen here
Damage3245/DBZ Speed
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Bakana NEVER!? its almost like their combat wasn't distinguished here
And here with piccolo saying they can get faster with energy Amplification
Its almost like flying at their top speeds doesn't drain them instantly and its clearly slower than their many other feats of combat speed feats as seen here
Damage3245/DBZ Speed
The first scan proves my point. Read how it is only called "speed" and no distinction made by calling it "combat" speed.
Piccolo' scan isn't about speed but power that's why he is able to cut his hand off with a single blow.
That shows that them fighting requires less stamina than flying not that they are faster or slower.
Btw you ignored the numerous examples where character A flies to spot B and its all called speed.
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I've never in my life wanted someone thread banned so badly before....
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Man, you realize DBZ has literally, thousands and thousands of combat speed feats that eclipse whatever dog travel speed they have right?
It ain't just Piccolo's beam attack, it's like every other chapter, DBZ, while not talked about often, has hundreds of feats from MHS, Sub-Rel and even rel. If you legitimately want to argue "combat = travel", we'd be disregarding the few mach travel feats as opposed to literal magnitude more not basic bitch subsonic to low mach movement feats they whip out constantly.
My dude, think for a second, for example, you realize this would make DB dudes sub bullet in speed till saiyan saga yes? Despite having numerous bullet feats, as just one of the hundreds of examples of why you're pretty demonstrably not cooking.
Killerdrone123
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Ok I have this in mind shouldn't goku have extraordinary genius intelligence in combat for predicting hits timeskip
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I feel like that feat is unquantifiable in terms of how high it can be rated if we take it that way
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BlastX
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Argue about the Great Ape imagery when he drinks it?
Killerdrone123
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I mean it is in the standards that correctly predicting future via calculation can qualify and goku was practically doing that only
Also shouldn't he have it via ui to a technique which not even gods could master he did it in 45 mins
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That, and the Ultra Divine Water draws out its drinker's hidden power, which is how transformations work.
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Killerdrone123
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Killerdrone123
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Killerdrone123
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Underlining stuff is fun
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Isn’t it also said in one scan to bring out the potential/power of an Oozaru in a scan?
Nullflowerblush
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Draws out "any and all" hidden strength + "stimulates the memory of the super-powered Great Ape that lies dormant inside Goku".
I only hope that'll be enough.
I only hope that'll be enough.
- Had they continued fighting, Tien Shinhan would have defeated Master Roshi. >29.6 Exatons (5-C)
- (180) Surpasses the likes of Raditz Saga Yamcha (177), who, himself, surpassed Roshi by the time of the Piccolo Jr. Saga.
- Using the Four Witches Technique, Tien doubles his "attack power" (攻撃力, Kōgekiryoku). >59.2 Exatons
- Old King Piccolo floored Goku and no-sold a Kamehameha without exerting even half strength. >118.4 Exatons
- By drinking the Ultra Divine Water, Goku's hidden power, including that of the Great Ape, is drawn out to its limits. >1.184 Zettatons (Low 5-B)
- After training under Kami and Mr. Popo, Goku's strength nearly doubled. >~2.368 Zettatons
I've never heard of this, actually. I'll have to look into it.
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he should for other reasons........but not this one alone, it wouldn't be enough
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Doesn't this just refer to him having double the number of arms rather than say his Ki or his Attack Potency being multiplied?
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i wouldn't say "predicting 0.5 seconds into the future" would count as doing several mental calculations to accurately predict the future, that sounds more like normal Analitical Prediction than anything, specially when the feat is not even hit going to the future, but him time stopping
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Yeah that's the nonsensical part (along with Hit only doing 1 punch)
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The problem here, in my opinion, is that Hit’s power improves and he can vary his use. For example, while predicting .1 seconds can be “easy,” predicting .2, .3, a whole second, and then several seconds are just demonstrably harder to do. We also know Hit doesn’t “just punch.” He takes several actions within Skipped Time, meaning Goku has to predict each one, and as Time Skip grows, so too does the complexity of the prediction because Hit simply has more actions to take. This is especially tricky when Hit can simply elect not to use the full power of Time Skip and vary how much time he Skips. Sure, his limit can be 5 seconds, but we know he can use as low as .01 anyway despite his 5 second window.
That means Goku has to accurately predict not just the standard limit, but if Hit will go under. And as Time Skip increases passively, over. (So for example: Limit is 5 Seconds.
5 Second Skip -> 2 Second Skip -> 1 Second Skip -> 6 Second Skip -> 3 Second Skip -> 5 Second Skip -> 7 Second Skip.
(This is very clearly seen when Hit goes from minor increases into a massive time jump that allows him to utterly wreck Goku.)
Annnnd this is also ignoring Hit’s movements are purposely hidden via Baki Hand Pocket logic, making him impossible to be read, so this prediction Set is made progressively harder. Hit in the Anime also changes stances to best utilize his new stats and powers, which means Goku also had to analyze whatever differences there are that bolster Hit and compensate to account for that in his prediction/calculation. On top of that, Goku has to literally account for the unaccounted, such as if Hit had secretly been withholding projectiles to use, or any stance changes Mid-Skip, etc. Countless variables.
It’s still definitely Analytical Prediction, but it’s a high level of predictive skill that has to keep getting better in order to compensate for Hit’s passive developmental abilities.
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its either stupid high analytical prediction or just passive RE or something else entirely
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Nullflowerblush
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Given he "concentrates power" (力を込め, chikara o kome), like a super move, and how its sister Multi-Form Technique functions,—splitting Tien's body and strength by fourths,—odds are the technique increases his Attack Potency. That, and he attacks with twice the number of arms simultaneously.
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