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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Veronica said:
No, in DB they never make a distinction between "combat" vs "flight" speed. You literally see character A go to a location, speedblitz character B while flying pass them and B is like "What an incredible speed!"
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So, how is Piccolo's blast Rel, but flight speed aint?
 
There are a lot of problems how DB is treated here:

SBG is known to be retconned by the vast majority of people outside Vsbattle

More people slowly know that there are no distinction between Combat vs Travel speed in DB. While being far from majority
 
Veronica said:
No, in DB they never make a distinction between "combat" vs "flight" speed. You literally see character A go to a location, speedblitz character B while flying pass them and B is like "What an incredible speed!"
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BoZ Piccolo's blast: Seconds to go to the moon

Freeza in masssive anger: Several minutes to cross a planet


Also as showed in @Damage3245 thread on the matter, it is said that flying great distances very fast consumes too much stamina to be worth, therefore they don't
 
Veronica said:
SBG is known to be retconned-
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Sparkive said:
In which case maybe Dispo's mentions of light speed aren't so silly, it might just be his flight speed and movement.
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Holy shit that was debunked years ago, what the **** are these comicvine arguments coming up all of a sudden? Y'all are not making a lick of sense and being disingenuous for no reason, every day I see veronica on some bullshit and it just keeps going on and on.
 
omegabronic said:
BoZ Piccolo's blast: Seconds to go to the moon

Freeza in masssive anger: Several minutes to cross a planet


Also as showed in @Damage3245 thread on the matter, it is said that flying great distances very fast consumes too much stamina to be worth, therefore they don't
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Piccolo blast later on is shown to be far slower. Frieza speed feat has no timeframe like Krillin and Gohan. Yes, that's because they can't go LS and instantly cover a tiny distance in 1/10000 of a second, because they aint.
 
omegabronic said:
How many times must you say this? How many times must you be all talk without action? How many times must tiresly continue this non productive yapping? What is your end goal with this? No one takes this seriously anymore.........do you think people will start to believe in you @Veronica ?
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It's not "yapping". It's factual information shown in RoF by Whis and Goku. Look at reddit more and more people are realizing it.
 
Cabba doesn't even know what god-ki and SSB is and wants to obtain SSG power, but somehow he is already above SSG power in base even though he wants to reach that level in the first place😂
 
Wait, can someone please kindly explain to me what RoF has to do with all this discussion? Because I can understand if this is in regards to the manga continuity, that one doesn't have Goku absorbing the strength of his first usage of SSG into his normal base power like the anime and the movie version is implied to be the canon version of the manga, but it makes no sense to use movie information for the anime when the anime did its own adaptation in the first place.

"But the events are similar between both versions!" I hear you say. Okay...I didn't see Gotenks appear in the movie, Tagoma not getting killed by Frieza and being possessed by Ginyu, or Piccolo dying to protect Gohan so how the events similar when they're so radically different? They might have similar story beats, but the examples I listed alone should be more than sufficient to say that using movie RoF for the anime continuity is pretty damn stupid.
 
TiltedFN said:
Its called power cliffing bozo, cabba is only above the ssg forms from the earlier fights, like bog ssg goku or something of the sorts.
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Vegeta to Cabba "if you keep on training, you have the potential of becoming this too".

This dude >Actually Cabba already has SSG power in base and wants to stack SSG power again with SSG. That's makes so much sense 🤓
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Wait, can someone please kindly explain to me what RoF has to do with all this discussion? Because I can understand if this is in regards to the manga continuity, that one doesn't have Goku absorbing the strength of his first usage of SSG into his normal base power like the anime and the movie version is implied to be the canon version of the manga, but it makes no sense to use movie information for the anime when the anime did its own adaptation in the first place.

"But the events are similar between both versions!" I hear you say. Okay...I didn't see Gotenks appear in the movie, Tagoma not getting killed by Frieza and being possessed by Ginyu, or Piccolo dying to protect Gohan so how the events similar when they're so radically different? They might have similar story beats, but the examples I listed alone should be more than sufficient to say that using movie RoF for the anime continuity is pretty damn stupid.
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Because in RoF Goku has SSG power in base and SSB as the SSJ form. Manga also had SSG in base as it says to watch the RoF movie. These things aren't radical different. You are talking like RoF movie is about Omega Shenron. Calm down.
 
Veronica said:
Because in RoF Goku has SSG power in base and SSB as the SSJ form. Manga also had SSG in base as it says to watch the RoF movie. These things aren't radical different. You are talking like RoF movie is about Omega Shenron. Calm down.
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Okay but that doesn't necessarily mean that what's shown and stated in the movie should be applied to the anime continuity, especially with the examples I listed. Plus isn't Goku's explanation of SSB different in the anime compared to the movie? In the movie he just says that he got a taste of Super Saiyan God and learned to tap into it on his own, where as in the anime he says the same thing on top of him stating that Blue's the Super Saiyan level of that.

Also I'm not talking about RoF like it's about Omega Shenron, but thanks for strawmaning me anyways. That definitely helps your argument out by making assumptions.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Okay but that doesn't necessarily mean that what's shown and stated in the movie should be applied to the anime continuity, especially with the examples I listed. Plus isn't Goku's explanation of SSB different in the anime compared to the movie? In the movie he just says that he got a taste of Super Saiyan God and learned to tap into it on his own, where as in the anime he says the same thing on top of him stating that Blue's the Super Saiyan level of that.

Also I'm not talking about RoF like it's about Omega Shenron, but thanks for strawmaning me anyways. That definitely helps your argument out by making assumptions.
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Nope, SSB description in the anime and movie are exactly the same and in both its called just "SSJ". It's having SSG power in base and going SSJ always creating SSJ (SSB), but in U6 arc he goes yellow SSJ again...
 
omegabronic said:
Give me a single thread changing that
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As expected there is none, because yellow SSJ has nothing to do with SSG power as explained in RoF by Whis and Goku. Keep believing that U6 SSJ3 Goku is 400x BoG SSG fan-fiction. While flat out ignoring that going SSJ on SSG power is always SSB never yellow SSJ stated and shown several times 😂 (why else do you think when Goku goes SSG than transforms he always become SSB never yellow SSJ, because only than is he multiplying SSG power 🤣)
 
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Again I feel like this is easily solvable by just scaling Dragon Ball Super to Dragon Ball Heroes due to them being a part of the same multiverse, hell ToP Goku and Vegeta fought against Xeno Goku and Vegeta in World Mission which is canon to SDBH so let's just go nuts and make everyone Low 1-C and with Immeasurable speed for canon Dragon Ball.

Also I'm just going to share this
 
Why Super Perfect Cell? If you don't subscribe to SSG scaling angle, the manga has Goku believing that he can take on Kid Buu as a mere Super Saiyan during image training. And Cabba fought against a Super Saiyan Vegeta that had one year of training on Beerus' planet and three years of training with Goku in the HTC under his belt, meaning that Goku and Vegeta's Super Saiyan forms should be significantly stronger then Goku's at the start of Battle of Gods.

So at bare minimum, I think Cabba was Buu level at that point in the U6 arc.
 
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