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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Vizer04 said:
Why is that the only possible option. What are the odds of a completely different Trunks jumping to the exact same timeline as Cell? Surely they have to be infinitesimal... actually, they would be 0% because if Trunks is a copy of OG Trunks then he would've set the coordinates for the Unseen Timeline, just like OG Trunks did.
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Which he DID, if you go by the actual Daizenshuu. Which states he appearaed there and events went off without Trunks. And, again, it's not a "random new Trunks." It's simply him appearing earlier in the same Timeline Trunks went to. (Meaning it is THAT Trunks, whose personal history is then altered because he meets Cell). You can see this pretty clearly.

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The fat bracket is a timeline break, and the arrows are Time Travel. The BREAK happens when Trunks first appears (purple) in the past from his Original Timeline. He then returns to his Timeline (History 3), and returns to his previous Time. There he is killed, and has his Time Machine Stolen. Then Cell travels earlier in the Timeline Trunks travels to (in this case, History 4). Meanwhile, Trunks appears and kills Frieza when he wasn't supposed to, like he does in History 4. This causes a Timeline split (History 2), which allows Trunks to return there and back (creating the new Timeline in which Cell follows Trunks back to) instead of History 4, which then allows Cell and Trunks to meet (in History 1, Our History), changing Trunks' fate, allowing him to return home and kill Cell before Cell can kill and steal his Time Machine, like what happened originally.

EDIT: Actually, I'm pretty sure the History 2 Timeline Split occurred because of Trunks finding Cell's Time Machine. Regardless, an additional one is made which allows them to co-exist.
 
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Vizer04 said:
The point of that analogy is that no significant change has to be made in order to create a new timeline. Merely "stepping on the wrong bug" can cause changes in history thanks to the butterfly effect.

Someone coming from the future into the past would create absolutely massive changes in history, even if they came, did nothing and left. New atoms are added in the universe by their mere presence which wasn't supposed to happen. Like it or not, that is going to create butterfly effect down the line. It might take years to become something significant, but it will happen eventually. Look up the infinite monkey theorem.
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Yes, except we now know based on the events of the Future Trunks Saga Time is more pliable, and that BTTF rules only work for deities (in the Anime). So instead of stepping on bugs, the actual effect is caused by events more like killing a really important Time Traveller whose personal Timeline spans three Timelines and is in itself disconnected from all Timelines due to being Acausal.
 
RedReaper616 said:
This is correct. Once Trunks went into the past, Cell was already there due to going to a time period earlier within that same Branch. Yes, there are two Trunks, because the initial one we see dies due to Cell, and the events play out as we see on screen. The only confusion would be how they both return to the exact same timeline and create the Unseen Timeline.
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(I think you deleted your message, but replying anyway.) I point this out myself. The only confusion should be how they do both, but also, again, the answer we're given is that the events that happen create an additional Timeline Split, allowing Trunks to change his fate instead of going home and getting killed by Cell. Outside of that, we have no other information about the Unseen Timeline.
 
That Goku vs Saitama thread is a perfect showcase of G.D.S (Goku Derangement Syndrome)

People want the clout of beating Goku so bad they create an oddly specific matchup, either restrict abilities, or equalize speed, or argue some bullshit about in character.

Like Goku wouldn't go SSJ and one shot, but he would just use to Spirit Bomb off the bat for some reason.
 
They're more arguing that the Spirit Bomb as like a last resort move could net Goku the win, from what I gathered.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Cell travels earlier in the Timeline Trunks travels to
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Cell can't go earlier into that timeline because he intended to change things and we know that he can't change what would unfold there naturally since it's already done (Trunks obtaining the blueprints)

RedReaper616 said:
This causes a Timeline split (History 2), which allows Trunks to return there and back (creating the new Timeline in which Cell follows Trunks back to) instead of History 4, which then allows Cell and Trunks to meet (in History 1, Our History), changing Trunks' fate, allowing him to return home and kill Cell before Cell can kill and steal his Time Machine, like what happened originally.
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Then Trunks would be traveling to the Original Timeline with new knowledge after having met Cell, at which point another timeline splits off, one where he dies by Cell and another where the opposite happens. The only problem with this is that another Trunks would be living there already, the OG Trunks. The OG Trunks would also be returning home after his trip and both Trunks would meet. By that logic, Trunks would've come back to the future after the Cell Games only to find another Trunks living there. Is that what happened? No.
 
Also, Beerus creating a timeline only happened in the anime, and we know Toei likes to add things they think are cool but only create inconsistencies like Black going to the past and creating a bootstrap paradox just because Toei wanted Goku and Black to have a cool fight and so they could being back Cell's time machine even if it didn't make sense.

In the manga, Zamasu only finds out about Goku because of GodTube, not because Beerus and Whis go to investigaste him.
 
Vizer04 said:
Cell can't go earlier into that timeline because he intended to change things and we know that he can't change what would unfold there naturally since it's already done (Trunks obtaining the blueprints)


Then Trunks would be traveling to the Original Timeline with new knowledge after having met Cell, at which point another timeline splits off, one where he dies by Cell and another where the opposite happens.
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YES. EXACTLY. THIS IS LITERALLY NOTED ON THE GRAPH. LOOK AT THE TIMELINE BREAK FOR HISTORY 2 AND 3.
Vizer04 said:
The only problem with this is that another Trunks would be living there already, the OG Trunks. The OG Trunks would also be returning home after his trip and both Trunks would meet. By that logic, Trunks would've come back to the future after the Cell Games only to find another Trunks living there. Is that what happened? No.
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???
The break happens after that moment, so…no? Again, refer to the actual Diagram.
 
Also, why did Trunks wait years for Cell to ambush him? He already knew the location of Gero's lab, why didn't he just go there and blow shit up?
 
Vizer04 said:
Then Trunks would be traveling to the Original Timeline with new knowledge after having met Cell, at which point another timeline splits off, one where he dies by Cell and another where the opposite happens.
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That break would happen when he reappears…in his timeline…like you mentioned…and the Diagram shows…so Age 785. (788 is when Cell steals the Time Machine, beneath 785).
 
RedReaper616 said:
That break would happen when he reappears…in his timeline…like you mentioned…and the Diagram shows…so Age 785. (788 is when Cell steals the Time Machine, beneath 785).
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Why? What significant change would he be making by doing that?

Trunks acquires knowledge while he's in the past and then he returns to the future... sounds about the same of what happened in the OG Timeline.
 
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Vizer04 said:
Also, why did Trunks wait years for Cell to ambush him? He already knew the location of Gero's lab, why didn't he just go there and blow shit up?
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Cell appeared and was confused/angry at not having the Androids. Given it takes 4 years for Cell to actually develop from his egg and it took decades to finish Cell, presumably, he just wouldn’t be in the lab. He’d be gestating underground. Also, Trunks knew Cell would come to him, and that Cell could cloak his energy and be a general pests, so it tracking him would be incredibly difficult and tip Cell off that they knew of him. (Toriyama probably didn’t think of it.)
 
RedReaper616 said:
NOT dying. Like he was…y’know…he was supposed to.
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That happened years after returning to the future, something both Trunks did.

Both Trunks returned succesfully to the future, only to meet Cell years later. The outcome of that meeting is the point where they split.
 
Reading the graph, the indication of break is when Trunks kills the Androids. In one timeline his just remote, the other his own ability.
 
is the Nameless Namekian's backstory canon to the manga (does it even exist in the manga), or is that an anime only backstory
 
Nierre said:
is the Nameless Namekian's backstory canon to the manga (does it even exist in the manga), or is that an anime only backstory
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All we know about him is that his father Katas sent him to Earth and he landed on the Yunzabit Heights, where he waited several years for his father's return. He would then go on to meet the previous Kami and Garlic's father (anime only)
 
Whis doesn't actually rewind time, he just has an extreme variant of Ultra Instinct that allows him to anticipate events even further than Goku, events that haven't even happened yet.
 
Vizer04 said:
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BlastX said:
LO SABÍA! VEGETA ME METIO EN UN ICEBERG PARA HACERME VER COMO UN MEME Y ASÍ NADIE SE TOMARA EN SERIO SU TRAICIÓN. NO TE LO PERMITIRE VEGETA.
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It's so weird how the Dub changes stuff in the Sub. Like, even unnecesarily. For example, in the Sub, when King Kai comments on Goku V Cell, he says:

"It's insane! Despite how long the battle has been going on for some time, their Kis and Stamina haven't decreased at all. If Cell is a monster, so too is Goku a monster."

Compared to the Dub:

"This fight on Earth can go one for some time. Both possess incredible strength and neither would ever be willing to give up. Strange, their power levels aren't decreasing--They're growing."

There's no reason to make this change but they did and now I'm staring at my screen like "Why? Why do you DO this?"
 
RedReaper616 said:
It's so weird how the Dub changes stuff in the Sub. Like, even unnecesarily. For example, in the Sub, when King Kai comments on Goku V Cell, he says:

"It's insane! Despite how long the battle has been going on for some time, their Kis and Stamina haven't decreased at all. If Cell is a monster, so too is Goku a monster."

Compared to the Dub:

"This fight on Earth can go one for some time. Both possess incredible strength and neither would ever be willing to give up. Strange, their power levels aren't decreasing--They're growing."

There's no reason to make this change but they did and now I'm staring at my screen like "Why? Why do you DO this?"
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Didn't they also amp Cell's regen in the dub?
 
I'm currently looking for the source of the scan of Goku Vs Metal Cooler from the alleged "Goku Idoku Kukan."

It (allegedly) states: "Goku and Cooler's movement space battle. Metal Cooler can move instantanously with the power of a moving machine. (Strength and Strength.)"

Does anyone know where to find it/have it?
 
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SlendVeny said:
I mean, I would've liked if they just told us that he could move the nucleus. It doesn't make sense for Buu's regeneration to impress them if Cell can do the same thing.
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Buu can regenerate from dust, I don't think English dub Cell can do that.
 
SlendVeny said:
A single cell is like, not that far off from a dust particle in size.
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I mean Buu specifically regenerated from the smoke of his essentially vaporized carcass. On wiki, this is accepted to be atomic level.

So pretty big size difference, I’d think.
 
RedReaper616 said:
I mean Buu specifically regenerated from the smoke of his essentially vaporized carcass. On wiki, this is accepted to be atomic level.

So pretty big size difference, I’d think.
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That's not atomic (Buu has Mid-High)

"Mid-High: The ability to regenerate from having all biology completely incinerated. This includes being reduced to ash, dust, smoke, vapor, or plasma."

"High: The ability to regenerate from a few scattered or lone molecules, atoms, sub-atomic particles, or pure physical energy units."
 
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