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Looking at the pages all demon characters need resistance to mind/madness manipulation

Remove the massively hypersonic+ from the god tiers the should just be relativistic

Dante should have power absorption he absorbed geryon's soul and gain the quicksilver style

Nero should also have resistance to soul manipulation he should scale to the rest of his family
 
Baul thought he could obtain Sparda's power and abilities if he consumed Dante's soul.
 
Shouldn't Argosax also have BFR via Reality Warping and possiblyTime Manipulation for "bending passages that once led to real destinations into circles of infinite confusion" and warping the entire town into a "viscous infinite circle"?
 
Why would he have BFR?

Time Manipulation has already been suggested several times, and applied.
 
When everything was warped in the game, Dante and Lucia had to break out of the "circles of infinite confusion" and "viscous infinite circle" by figthing and finding globes to open a portal into Arius's tower to escape it.If it wasn't some form of Reality warping/time manipulation BFR Dante and Lucia wouldn't have need to use a portal to get inside a building that was a few blocks away.

I mentioned Time manipulation because the BFR seems to be linked to it.
 
Sparda 20000000 said:
Looking at the pages all demon characters need resistance to mind/madness manipulation

Remove the massively hypersonic+ from the god tiers the should just be relativistic

Dante should have power absorption he absorbed geryon's soul and gain the quicksilver style

Nero should also have resistance to soul manipulation he should scale to the rest of his family
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Is this okay to add
 
I don't agree with "just Relativistic", the feat is clearly Combat and Reactions only

Power Absorption was retconned actually, it's just the case when a demon becomes submissive
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
I don't agree with "just Relativistic", the feat is clearly Combat and Reactions only
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This isn't just Combat and Reactions. Dante seeming to disappear when fighting Argosax in an open spacious room with no obstructions is a showcase of speed that would logically put him at relativistic in movement speed.
 
F***, I forgot that scene

Well, seems okay then, but I believe it should scale only to DMC2 Dante, his stronger incarnations, and people who scales to (Prime Sparda, Urizen, Vergil and DT Nero)

The other ones stay on "Massively Hypersonic+, likely Higher, with Relativistic Combat Speed and Reactions" since they scale to Argosax
 
Of course, but should this be "at least relativistic" movement speed for the higher god tiers? I'm not familiar with speed feats so I don't know the difference in speed needed to look invisible to someone with relativistic combat speed and reaction but it I believe it should be "at least relativistic" though I could be wrong
 
It depends on how far Dante is from Relativistic+, and if we multiply Relativistic X The difference in speed to look invisible to a Rel Character, the result would be FTL and it would be Calc stacking which is against our rules

So, the Ultra God Tiers (Dante, Vergil and Nero) should be "At least Relativistic"

DMC2 Dante and Higher Tier should be just Relativistic

People who scales to Despair Embodied should be "At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely Higher, with Relativistic Combat Speed and Reactions"

I guess this model is fine
 
Should Dante naturally have AZ manipulation with Cerberus and King Cerberus for those 2 being superior to Frost?Or does something like that require a statement?
 
Since Dante has resisted Argosax's Mind Powers, I guess we can add to his DMC2 resistances, right ?

It is a Mind Resistance feat that far surpasses the other ones, it's important to be in his profile
 
Yeah, I did that, just added the "enhanced" since he already have the resistance on his DMC3, but weaker

Also Glass, is okay to change their speed to this model ?

It depends on how far Dante is from Relativistic+, and if we multiply Relativistic X The difference in speed to look invisible to a Rel Character, the result would be FTL and it would be Calc stacking which is against our rules

So, the Ultra God Tiers (Dante, Vergil and Nero) should be "At least Relativistic"

DMC2 Dante and Higher Tier should be just Relativistic

People who scales to Despair Embodied should be "At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely Higher, with Relativistic Combat Speed and Reactions"

Based on his fight against Argosax
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
I don't agree with "just Relativistic", the feat is clearly Combat and Reactions only

Power Absorption was retconned actually, it's just the case when a demon becomes submissive
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When Dante absorbed geryon's soul he didn't get a devil he got geryon's powers

Argosax couldn't react to Dante at the end of their fight
 
I agree with the absorption of powers since that isn't devil arms and we don't know if it's tied to the method of obtaining devil arms.

Argosax thing seems to be agree upon and undeniable.
 
Nico's description of some fodder demons named Hell Caina from DMC5;

"These shambling meatsticks are residents o' the underworld, foot soldiers straight from the legions of Hell. Thing was, these things only appeared on the mortal plane by possessing a wooden doll, lump of clay, or something similar. Now? Those creeps walkin' around Red Grave are the genuine article. It's a sign that the barriers between the demon world and the human world are breaking down."

Based off of this, possession sounds justified.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Nico's description of some fodder demons named Hell Caina from DMC5;
"These shambling meatsticks are residents o' the underworld, foot soldiers straight from the legions of Hell. Thing was, these things only appeared on the mortal plane by possessing a wooden doll, lump of clay, or something similar. Now? Those creeps walkin' around Red Grave are the genuine article. It's a sign that the barriers between the demon world and the human world are breaking down."

Based off of this, possession sounds justified.
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This description is a throwback to the Marionette, demons from 1 who too were said to be demons possessing wooden dolls. So yeah, a description and their powers shown in-game too
 
The description for resistance to Biological Manipulation should probably be changed to the Beastheads or, removed if that's not the case. Because the sca says that "His form was not born of Sparda's inherited power, but rather from the darkness that lies deep in his heart.".
 
Vergil also stated its because he's not capable of wielding the power of Sparda, which is why he turned into a blob monste rather than normal sparda
 
Sounds like a good idea. Especially, and I said this before a while back, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people that wouldn't know what a Beasthead is nor what they can do. Might help explain why the demons have resistances against them too.
 
And also explain the precognition, space-time, and BFR part cause I forgot what it is they did that grants them these abilities. Not saying I doubt it, just a refresher (or in this case an actual profile) would help.
 
I saw some scans for space-time and BFR (Where they basically snapped Dante outside of time and space)

I'll look for them.
 
We'll need those for sure, cuz the part of Dante and other demons resisting the BH's reality warp looks really...not saying that it is so but imo it looks weak and short if they have resistances against their BFR, precog, space time, transmutation(?), whatever else the BH's can do.

That way we can actually expand it upon their pages cuz even rn it sounds like they only resist RW when it adds other powers they resist from the BH's.
 
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