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Diavolo vs The Nameless One

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Telepathy would still tell him whatever Diavolo was about to do. And Caleb has alot more options like Plot Manip, Mind/Fear/Memory Manip, and his Instinctive Reaction would mean he could do these things much faster than Diavolo could.
 
Ooh this is tough one.

What about caleb's other abilities that no one has been mentioning. He has plot manip, time travel, transmutation and etc
 
How is telepathy better than outright seeing and understanding what is exactly about to happen? Diavolo, again, understands it better and time erases which hard counters the time manip wincons. Instinctive Reaction is useless when time does not exist and Diavolo gets his things off first as explained earlier.
 
Whatever he thinks would work best. He'd be able to see what Diavolo was about to do with his Telepathy, so he would probably try to Plot Manip him to get around his Time Powers.
 
HyperNepsy said:
Ooh this is tough one.
What about caleb's other abilities that no one has been mentioning. He has plot manip, time travel, transmutation and etc
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Does Caleb start with any of those moves in character? In-character, Diavolo always tries to kill as quickly as possible.
 
Because he'd be able to see what Diavolo was about to do and counter it. Time Erase won't help when he's stuck in due to Plot Manip.
 
Sixo Bullets said:
How is telepathy better than outright seeing and understanding what is exactly about to happen? Diavolo, again, understands it better and time erases which hard counters the time manip wincons. Instinctive Reaction is useless when time does not exist and Diavolo gets his things off first as explained earlier.
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Actually, instinctive reaction would be useful, since Diavolo cant attack during the Time Erase, so Caleb might sense his attack and dodge
 
Also btw, looking at his profile it looks like diavlo doesn't have a resistance to mind manipulation and memory manipulation. Would caleb's work?
 
Wait, he can't even attack during Time erase? So even if he got it off first Caleb could just do any of his moves once it ended.
 
In this situation, he'd likely go for Plot Manip or his Mind/Memory manip to counter his Time Erase since he'd know what it is.
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
Sixo Bullets said:
I already explained why Epitaph > Caleb's telepathy and why Diavolo gets his time erase off first.
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They're both thought based, you can't say one would get which off first.
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I can though. Being able to kind of tell what he's going to do is different than outright seeing and interpreting the future to it's full extent. Diavolo does it first via understanding it first.

And also I understand Instinctive Reaction is useful, but they were describing it as how he uses abilities and fights back. If he attempts to block KC he's outright one-shot. Dodging is a different story, but Diavolo can typically still hit people trying to dodge with a barrage of punches and instinctive reaction can be overwhelmed in some cases. Also memory erase + blinding with blood.
 
He wouldn't try to block KC, he'd go to dodge it and then could use any of his abilities after the Time Erase was over, none of which Diavolo can counter.
 
Ah yes, memory erase is in fact a good point. Caleb won't remember what he attempted to understand of Diavolo's actions AND he won't remember what he was trying to do in the portion of erased time.
 
Actually, Caleb resists Memry Erasure because he's survived his own Forgetful Song before, which was so potent it made a person completly forget who they are and made them think they had responsibilities they didn't have like having a son, it even made a person forget how to see, so Caleb has resisted much more potent Memory manip before so that won't work.
 
If Caleb easily dodges nothing suggests that Diavolo would just erase again. We are forgetting that Diavolo does sometimes in fact look into the future while time is erased, hence him seeing Caleb dodging and using abilities prompting him to erase time again. Also, why does Caleb have a resistance to his own hax because he wasn't affected by it? People generally are unaffected by their abilities so I don't think that should be counted. And, again, Diavolo can still attack people who attempt to dodge. Instinctive Reaction can be overwhelmed when a character, like KC, spams attacks.

For stuff above here's quotes from the profile:

By the end of Part V, during a Time Erasure, Epitaph directly shows what will happen after it, in that location being King Crimson successfully perforating his opponent with his arm, after events that reverted him back to before his Time Erasure, his forecasts still showed him what was meant to happen after his Time Erasure.

During this period, Diavolo can see all actions (human or otherwise) that would have taken place from its activation to the end superimposed onto the world around him. Whilst everyone is unable to change their fate, Diavolo can freely move around as he pleases, often putting himself in a better position based on the aforementioned actions (though, it's important to note that Diavolo not only never interacts with others, but is also exempt from attacks as well).
 
I feel lik taht doesn't change anything. The second Caleb would get out of teh Time Erase, he could use any of his abilities just as fast as Diavolo, and Diavolo resists almost none of what Caleb can do.
 
Also, KC doesn't attack with a barrage, as you have said.

King Crimson: Diavolo's Stand, a perpetually scowling humanoid Stand that operates at close ranges. It possesses incredible strength, befitting of a close-range Stand, and rather than deliver barrages of punches, it typically finishes off opponents with only a single, overwhelmingly powerful blow.

So, he's not getting overwhelmed anytime soon.
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
I feel lik taht doesn't change anything. The second Caleb would get out of teh Time Erase, he could use any of his abilities just as fast as Diavolo, and Diavolo resists almost none of what Caleb can do.
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It does change something though, those abilities and actions Caleb tried to make never happened and he's generally confused by that.

And uh, I said he would erase again after he dodged the first time. He wouldn't attempt his usual blow when he sees someone can easily dodge it after a time erase.
 
Caleb doesn't get confused by much. Where he lives he's seen some really crazy stuff happen.

And, Caleb could also do any of his abilities after the Erasure was over. Plus, he's a Master Detective, he was able to figure out every piece of information on a criminal he was chasing, just from a stack of books being slightly moved. He picks up on small clues easily and it wouldn't take him long to figure out what was going on. Technically, he'd already know and wouldn't be taking any chances here. Also, if he just Time Erasures indefinetly, how does he win exactly? He can't hurt Caleb in this instance and the second he slips up it's game over for him.
 
If it's not obvious I'm not voting for Caleb. Cinnabar is taking far too many assumptions and is assuming that Diavolo won't time erase again the second he dodges. He'll see that he dodges during the first one with precog, as explained earlier, and do it again. Instinctive Reaction will get overwhelmed after the second one as I explained earlier and Diavolo wouldn't even neccesarily slip up. He can see exactly what he needs to do and has never messed up prior iirc.
 
Actually, his Precog only seems to reveal what the actual future is, so wouldn't that mean it's possible he sees a future where Caleb wins and thus he can't do anything about it?
 
Also, you're still assuming that he can get off his Time Erase in the First place when Caleb could just as easily Time Stop before he does. IR can't really get overwhelmed if he just tries to keep doing his 1 hit thing again.
 
Oh for the love of...

Yes, if he could somehow stop time before he erased time then he might be able to. But it doesn't matter. Know why? Because Epitaph guarantees he will always erase time first, and negate any actions taken in stop time
 
What? Epitaph only shows him what is going to happen, that doesn't guarantee that it will show him that he'll erase before he stops.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Oh for the love of...
Yes, if he could somehow stop time before he erased time then he might be able to. But it doesn't matter. Know why? Because Epitaph guarantees he will always erase time first, and negate any actions taken in stop time
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Uh, pretty sure thats not how it works. He needs to see what Epitath is showing, and interpret, then he erases time
 
Wait, would he be able to detect Caleb stopping Time through that? Caleb doesn't really make any moves to Stop Time he just thinks it and he does.
 
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