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Hey, I think people forgot to add my vote for Diavolo...
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That would be true is new information is being brought to the table. It's just the same DIO arguments vs the same Diavolo arguments. If someone dropped an information bomb like "Acktually Dio could move in erased time" (he can't, but example), then this should be kept up.JohnConquest1 said:People are still debating it though personally don't feel okay with this being added regardless.
You are once again ignoring what I said. I know DIO's timestop can be thought-based, and that it will be thought-based in that moment, this still doesn't mean that Diavolo's suddenly not erasing that timestop which he will see coming due to his precog, as you're not communicating how that doesn't happen you are not saying anything useful. Just stuff everyone already knows.Inverted Tempest said:You are actively acting like there is absolutely no timeframe DIO is going to be able to do anything when that simply isn't the case. You realize Time Stop for DIO is thought-based, right? Literally shown when he's toying with Polnareff and when Polnareff tried jumping him. I do not know why you keep insisting DIO has no frame of reaction whatsoever.
That's no "benefit of the doubt" as it doesn't matter, as I said before. Diavolo erases that timestop which he sees coming via precog, then DIO has a cooldown and Diavolo can attack and erase time before it ends.Inverted Tempest said:We give Diavolo the benefit of the doubt by getting off the first Time Erase and when it ends, DIO's Time Stop naturally goes off afterward. Knowing what even happens won't help from the activation in response to what Diavolo did in the Time Erasure.
This was aiming to you saying "this happens" and not elaborating, that's why it "communicates nothing". Here's what you said; "The second time erasure doesn't happen, that's already been over. DIO in character prevents Diavolo from remotely doing anything past the first time erasure and this has already been told to you over and over, I have no idea why that is so difficult to understand."Inverted Tempest said:"This communicates nothing."
No, it communicates the very simple fact that Diavolo isn't going to accomplish remotely anything past the very first Time Erasure. Several people have explained this to you and your response was "Bad argument" or "Lol" in a mocking tone. Now, either address what's actually being said or flat out do not reply to it all, it's that simple.
That quote proves my point of me just asking for the matter to be handled. "they just do not agree with your view" is not at all what was going on there, the thing that "I said 4 times already" was something that never got an argument at the time, what's more, some guy after that proved my point by saying that TP's argument was answering mine when it didn't (again. after saying it 4 times), and DIO was still getting FRAs. Later someone called me on my wall and said that the argument was finally recognized, with now TP and that user voting Diavolo. You are misunderstanding various things here, so know that, again, I politely don't care about your subjective opinions, if you want to think that bad of me then that's fine.Inverted Tempest said:Ummmm, quote from you, "If no one's going to argue the real problem here I will just ask the match up to be remove if it's added by commenting the surprising thing I said 4 times already. In fact, f*ck it, I can't convince this much users who doesn't read the arguments, I will unfollow this and see what was going on here later." You were insinuating you were going to have this thread removed by the proposition of asking, the difference doesn't matter. And just because the users "do not read arguments," is simply not true, they just do not agree with your view. You're still losing your cool over a fictional topic of discussion, remember this is all for fun at the end of the day, not something for you to aggressively mock people on.
Chariot Requiem was crucial in defeating Diavolo. If it wasn't for the soul swapping ability then Diavolo would've received King Crimson Requiem. It was only thanks to Bruno exploiting Chariot Requiem's powers that Giorno was able to get the arrow. And Part 6 Jotaro was him at his strongest. He got his 5 second time stop again and Star Platinum's developmental potential went down to E.Paul Frank said:1. Jotaro literally plot armored through that fight there is no way around that
2. Jotaro's time stop around that time was like 3 seconds
3. It really only took ger to be fair silver chariot kinda hurt the group a bit but that's besides the point also requiem stands were exclusive to that part because that's the only place the requiem arrow could be found
4. Jotaro's time stop was even worse I'm pretty sure and also Emiya alter is broken
Would of been a much more one-sided fight.UltimateFlare said:...Is there a reason why Awakened DIO wasn't used? Does he turn this match into a stomp
This was basically the remake of that thread.LordUrien935 said:Really makes you wonder how Diavolo has a victory against Awakened DIO on his profile.
I said many, many times by now that the first attack would not kill DIO. I already know that Diavolo uses Time Erase as a defense, which is why he will put himself after DIO's timestop, in it's cooldown.Inverted Tempest said:Hope we are because this is getting redundant with you being willfully ignorant. First Time Erasure will not work at successfully putting down DIO, his method has already been explained and why that hardly matters when he can still actively use his Time Stop when traumatically suffering from far worse. Diavolo, in character, mostly uses Time Erasure as a defense. Examples here and here.
For the Regenerationn, again, I said many, many times that Diavolo's first attack would not kill DIO. For the Enhanced Senses, I said a couple of times that they aren't enough, time erase leaves unawareness on others, DIO can't timestop in its cooldown, and Diavolo has the positioning advantage.Inverted Tempest said:That's what I've been trying to communicate with you. The surprise attack won't work, Enhanced Senses + Regenerationn which is not something I objectively claim I argued originally first, but you have failed to actually substantiate ways around it. Using it as a defense is mostly what it's used for because DIO will already know he's there.
I gave examples of him using time erases quickly, he's not going to see himself dead and just not erase that.Inverted Tempest said:If he uses it defensively, that literally means Diavolo is far more likely to see what he will do in order to accomplish what is done through Epitaph. Nobody is denying what happens with Epitaph seeing the future either, just that Diavolo doesn't spam it in conjunction with Time Erasure offensively to the extent you're suggesting.
One more time, it doesn't matter, him seeing himself suddenly damaged is something he will erase. If DIO uses time stop from a distance Diavolo will erase that as he will see himself being suddenly damaged.Inverted Tempest said:Epitaph gives him an idea of what will happen as well, not the full picture. He will be going off of interpretation in which he actively tries to see what happens. Do you know why that goes incredibly poorly for Diavolo? Because DIO doesn't approach you like that, he uses Time Stop from a distance which means Diavolo has no reason to Time Erase and then Dio can MUDA him to oblivion and so on for other options.
The part before that ignores context all together, I'm not even going the answer it anyone can just read the whole thread. But in this part in particular you say that I "seem to be pissed people aren't voting Diavolo which is still blatant character bias" when the text legit says that an argument being ignored was the problem, the parts of text around that that you're not showing make that far more clear. This is why I don't care what you say on this, you keep ignoring all the context.Inverted Tempest said:That lost part raises even bigger red flags, "Later someone called me on my wall and said that the argument was finally recognized, with now TP and that user voting Diavolo. You are misunderstanding various things here, so know that, again, I politely don't care about your subjective opinions, if you want to think that bad of me then that's fine." I'm not trying to be accusive or anything but you seem to be pissed people aren't voting Diavolo which is still blatant character bias. I won't say objectively are biased towards Diavolo, but the way you are wording your responses puts a lot of things you are saying dually in question as well.