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Diavolo vs Ghiaccio
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No not really. Regardless of time skips and Gently Weeps, Diavolo will still likely get one of his limbs frozen with each strike, and as mentioned before projectiles can't really pass through the ice, and WA's Durability and KC's AP are roughly the same (both saying **** you to Gold Experience).
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Pretty sure Ghiaccio has to consciously freeze something, so Time Erasure will allow Diavolo to get the drop on him. Diavolo doesn't have projectiles, so that's irrelevent. KC's AP is much higher than WA's durability, due to Golden Experience being able to crack WA, while KC is able to one-shot Golden Experience.CrackerVolley said:
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Even if Ghiaccio had to consciously use ability, the ice armor will still be dangerously cold.
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Didn't Narancia literally get killed in skipped time? Didn't Diavolo blind polnareff on-panel/screen with his own blood in skipped time? Tbh I'm beginning to doubt the idea that Diavolo can't affect his surroundings in skipped time
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>Ghaccio gets his shell cracked and got outsmarted by two members of Passione
>King Crimson, who is far, far, far stronger, and also capable of taking out and beating basically the entire party until GERlul
>King Crimson can't break the shell and dies?
I don't see it happening.
>King Crimson, who is far, far, far stronger, and also capable of taking out and beating basically the entire party until GERlul
>King Crimson can't break the shell and dies?
I don't see it happening.
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He can move objects in erased time, not attack.LukaSolosYourVerse said:
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>Giorno is literally the Mary Sue JoJo and Mista had the luck of having the Sex Pistols too.
>He will get his limbs frozen off. 1 Punch is simply not enough to break through AND kill Ghiaccio. Ghiaccio didn't even bleed after the Muda Rush, so Gently Weeps will kill Diavolo before he even gets in contact.
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1. That's entirely an opinion, and an argument assuming PIS and PIS only. Which is a rough argument when someone's only had one fight in the entire plot...Unforgiven0815 said:
2. Giorno and Mista managed to survive more than long enough. You're acting as if Diavolo would die within two seconds, when that's blatantly not the case. Not to mention, Diavolo's singular punch is massively superior to Giorno's Muda rush. If he punches 2-3 times, Ghaccio will die.
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Didn't say that, fact of the matter is that neither of them were near Ghiaccio when Gently Weeps was activated. Gently Weeps can only be seen by Ghiaccio, so Diavolo will look into the future, see nothing, erase time to get near him, try to attack him and die because if -100┬░C were enough to freeze limbs off, then - 210┬░C will only immediately result to death.ThePixelKirby said:
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Not when GW was activated, y know, which freezes everything around him including the air itself. Mista was only shooting his bullets from a distance and Giorno came in at the end.ThePixelKirby said:
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No, Giorno was just commenting on the noise of Mista's bullet bouncing back. It's literally stated in his profile that Ghiaccio is the only who can see it and it does matter cuz it means Diavolo won't be able to do shit since he has no range attacks.
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Wouldn't KC's single punch actually be more damaging to his arms than GE's stand rush? By virtue of moving faster, GE's arms should have produced some heat, which would have been a slight defense against the cold. Add to that that before throwing a punch, KC seems to have to reel up for a bit, and I can't see Diavolo ever really being able to touch Ghiaccio without taking damage, and since Epitaph lets him see that, he won't do it.
No matter who ends up winning, I'm really surprised by how close this is.
No matter who ends up winning, I'm really surprised by how close this is.
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I honestly have no idea how this is brought as an argument but not the fact that barrage punches concentrate less in AP and more on speed, when that's repeatedly shown since Part 3.Armorchompy said:
As for KC needing to "reel up for a bit", take a look at the 3 feats shown in his AP.
Also, to everyone, why can't Diavolo just punch Ghiaccio and erase time right before getting frozen?
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I honestly have no idea how this is brought as an argument but not the fact that barrage punches concentrate less in AP and more on speed, when that's repeatedly shown since Part 3.
As for KC needing to "reel up for a bit", take a look at the 3 feats shown in his AP.
Also, to everyone, why can't Diavolo just punch Ghiaccio and erase time right before getting frozen?
There is no reason why not. He can simply punch, do massive damage to Ghiaccio's shell, then erase time to ignore a majority of the after-effects and come off with minimal wounds.
Jojo characters far weaker than Diavolo have resisted Ghiaccio's ice for more than enough time to take him out.
As for KC needing to "reel up for a bit", take a look at the 3 feats shown in his AP.
Also, to everyone, why can't Diavolo just punch Ghiaccio and erase time right before getting frozen?
There is no reason why not. He can simply punch, do massive damage to Ghiaccio's shell, then erase time to ignore a majority of the after-effects and come off with minimal wounds.
Jojo characters far weaker than Diavolo have resisted Ghiaccio's ice for more than enough time to take him out.
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The result of diavolo being frozen will be gone by the time he uses KC. Not only that epitaph sees absolute future on his whim, so this idea of ghiaccio beating diavolo is useless
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How would this even work if Gently Weeps is activated? -100┬░C resulted in Giorno's arm being frozen off, there is no way that he will take -210┬░C and survive, nor that he can punch Ghiaccio when GW is activated as "Anything or anyone who gets too close will also be frozen, and stopped dead in their tracks, as no matter can move in a cryogenic world".
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The difference is that we have proof for that while Jotaro&Dio shit on Kakyoin's statement.
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How am I ignoring anything? Mista's bullets were stopped right on their track and reflected back. Maybe y wanna tell me how Diavolo will throw a punch while GW is active? There will be that one second where he has to attack himself after all.
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>GW is activated
>Diavolo just walks away from him and wears away at his stamina
>GW goes down
>Diavolo punches him
And that's assuming Diavolo is completely unable to do shit during GW, which is very different than what the actual manga shows.
>Diavolo just walks away from him and wears away at his stamina
>GW goes down
>Diavolo punches him
And that's assuming Diavolo is completely unable to do shit during GW, which is very different than what the actual manga shows.
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>Ghiaccio used GW 3 times against Giorno&Mista after using several ice attacks and losing a lot of blood. >3 is likely not even near his limit because of that. >Diavolo doesn't know about Ghiaccio's stamina. >Diavolo can't see GW. >"What the actual manga shows" Neither Giorno nor Mista were near Ghiaccio when GW was activated, GW freezes the air and reflected Mista's bullets when they came near him.
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Let's go back to a few things.
1. Diavolo has decent prior knowledge on just about every member of La Squadra except for Risotto, who has been the mysterious assassin of the group for a reason.
2. Let's say he can't see GW freezing the air around him, or feel it, for some reason. With Precog, he'd see himself dying if he stood there for too long. "He can't see GW." That's bull, and a non-argument. He has precognition, the ability that literally allows him to see effects in advance, such as being frozen over time.
3. And it still probably wouldn't one-shot him, as Jojo is known for hyperbolic statements, and the protagonists were more than able to survive Ghiaccio before.
1. Diavolo has decent prior knowledge on just about every member of La Squadra except for Risotto, who has been the mysterious assassin of the group for a reason.
2. Let's say he can't see GW freezing the air around him, or feel it, for some reason. With Precog, he'd see himself dying if he stood there for too long. "He can't see GW." That's bull, and a non-argument. He has precognition, the ability that literally allows him to see effects in advance, such as being frozen over time.
3. And it still probably wouldn't one-shot him, as Jojo is known for hyperbolic statements, and the protagonists were more than able to survive Ghiaccio before.
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Diavolo FRA
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Grace for Diavolo has started
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1.Does he though? We were never told that he knew about their stands.ThePixelKirby said:
2.Fair enough, still doesn't answer how he avoids that.
3.We know that -100 ┬░C froze Giorno's arm off. It's safe to assume that -210 ┬░C is more than enough. There's literally no way for Diavolo to avoid GW if he wants to attack Ghiaccio, but okay.
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Isn't that more of a PIS moment than anything?
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Kars was overconfident. Not to mention that it's Joseph he fought against who always bullshited himself through fights in Part 2. I don't get why you always use the earlier parts here.
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It kinda is here.
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It is. Kars' 400 IQ wasn't backed up. White Album's -100 ┬░C was backed up cuz he froze Giorno's arm off and the -210 ┬░C caused the air to freeze.
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