Diavolo vs Batman (Post-Crisis)

[JohnConquest1]

I'm gonna have to go Diavolo here actually. I will say Batman using Toxins can be a problem but Unlike Jokers fight with Diavolo Time Skip is a thing here so that gets null and voided. The suit redistributing force also isn't gonna save Bats from getting the Bruno treatment should KC land a hit.


Diavolo takes it via much better precog, hax and AP

 

[Yobo_Blue]

KC predicts and erases.

Yeah. That's the big issue here.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

With such a large thread and so many arguments for Batman, it's not a stomp via Batman's skill.

All arguments for Batman don't work due to time erasure,

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'm gonna have to go Diavolo here actually. I will say Batman using Toxins can be a problem but Unlike Jokers fight with Diavolo Time Skip is a thing here so that gets null and voided. The suit redistributing force also isn't gonna save Bats from getting the Bruno treatment should KC land a hit.


Diavolo takes it via much better precog, hax and AP

He really stomps.

 

[Moritzva]

Considering your long and extensive argument for how Batman wins, I doubt it's a stomp. So, you vote Diavolo?

No. My argument hinged on the fact that there would have been a few openings, but it underestimated the sheer spam of time erasure.

If with very few openings you said Batman could win, then why is it suddenly a stomp when it turns out he has very few?

Regardless, are you retracting your vote or switching to Diavolo?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

And yeah, I know it's weird to see me make the argument, but every Batman win condition can be time erased.

 

[The_Impress]

Two people just vote for both Batman and Diavolo so this ends in some way.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Considering your long and extensive argument for how Batman wins, I doubt it's a stomp. So, you vote Diavolo?

No. My argument hinged on the fact that there would have been a few openings, but it underestimated the sheer spam of time erasure.

If with very few openings you said Batman could win, then why is it suddenly a stomp when it turns out he has very few?

Regardless, are you retracting your vote or switching to Diavolo?

Straw man. I never said he needed a few, just that he needed a good amount.

 

[Ogbunabali]

And yeah, I know it's weird to see me make the argument, but every Batman win condition can be time erased.

This is what everyone has been trying to tell you this whole thread.

 

[Moritzva]

@Daloka Is that a vote for Diavolo? If so, grace.

Grace because naturally Yobo's vote is retracted if he calls it a stomp, and John voted Diavolo.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Two people just vote for both Batman and Diavolo so this ends in some way.

Nah. Batman has no actual win condition. If anyone can find won, that would be great, but no one has brought forth one that works.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

This is what everyone has been trying to tell you this whole thread.

I mean, that's true, but I kind of underestimated how often he used it since no one thought to bring scans of it.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'll vote for Diavolo if anyone can give a legitimate win condition for Batman.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So, does Batman really have no win condition here?

 

[The_Impress]

Nah. Batman has no actual win condition. If anyone can find won, that would be great, but no one has brought forth one that works.

We actually brought up the possibility of this being a stomp 2 votes in but you kept insisting on it being otherwise.

If this is a stomp thread someone close it or the OP delete this

 

[DALOKA]

I'll vote Diavolo with Mid Difficulty, as Batman doesn't seem to have a solid enough win condition. Maybe he could pull it off but it's unlikely.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

We actually brought up the possibility of this being a stomp 2 votes in but you kept insisting on it being otherwise.

If this is a stomp thread someone close it.

Because no one actually brought scans so that people could analyze KC's stuff.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'll vote for Diavolo if anyone can give a legitimate win condition for Batman.

^^^

 

[Moritzva]

So, does Batman really have no win condition here?

If Batman gets away from Diavolo, his chances of winning rise dramatically. So if the fight plays like the Bruno fight, Batman has more of a chance. If it plays out like anything else, Batman loses rather badly.

So, it's unlikely, but if Diavolo does miss or lose track of Batman, things can go downhill.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

BTW, since Batman's votes were FRA's of mine they should be removed too.

 

[Moritzva]

I'll vote Diavolo with Mid Difficulty, as Batman doesn't seem to have a solid enough win condition. Maybe he could pull it off but it's unlikely.

Grace.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If Batman gets away from Diavolo, his chances of winning rise dramatically. So if the fight plays like the Bruno fight, Batman has more of a chance. If it plays out like anything else, Batman loses rather badly.

So, it's unlikely, but if Diavolo does miss or lose track of Batman, things can go downhill.

Wasn't it said any sneak attack Batman pulled could be precogged?

 

[Moritzva]

If Batman gets away from Diavolo, his chances of winning rise dramatically. So if the fight plays like the Bruno fight, Batman has more of a chance. If it plays out like anything else, Batman loses rather badly.

So, it's unlikely, but if Diavolo does miss or lose track of Batman, things can go downhill.

Wasn't it said any sneak attack Batman pulled could be precogged?

It could, but getting time to hide and simply prepare does give Batman a lot of options. Options that could possibly let him land the one hit he needs on Diavolo to win.

But it's still pretty decisive.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So, does that mean Diavolo at least can't see Batman hide. Because that's the only way that would work.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Well since Batman knows about KC he could lead with throwing enough paralyzing gas bombs that last for longer than 10 sec.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Already agreed that those could easily be erased.

 

[Ogbunabali]

If they last for more than 10 sec they won't, since that's the time of KC. Although, unless they literally work instantly, that still won't net him a win just an inconclusive.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If they last for more than 10 sec they won't, since that's the time of KC.

And KC can be used twice in a row, which by that point would be able to erase and avoid it.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If they last for more than 10 sec they won't, since that's the time of KC. Although, unless they literally work instantly, that still won't net him a win just an inconclusive.

Maybe? Most take more time then the activation of KC.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Also, just forcing a inconclusive doesn't count as a win condition.

 

[Moritzva]

So, does that mean Diavolo at least can't see Batman hide. Because that's the only way that would work.

Diavolo can see him run to hide, but once Batman actually gets away and Diavolo can't see him, Diavolo can't really track him.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I would just like to take a moment to appreciate the fact that Batman is getting beaten by the razor blade tool from Windows Movie Maker.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Diavolo can see him run to hide, but once Batman actually gets away and Diavolo can't see him, Diavolo can't really track him.

I don't actually think Diavolo can see him hide, since people with better senses can't do that. But yeah, Diavolo FRA then I guess. You win some, you lose some.

 

[Moritzva]

10-5 grace.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I do still think this is a stomp. Even if you bloodlust Batman it won't really change anything.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

But I still disagree on Diavolo's King Crimson allowing him to perceive Batman disappearing

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Also, just forcing a inconclusive doesn't count as a win condition.

So this guy shouldn't have any losses?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I do still think this is a stomp. Even if you bloodlust Batman it won't really change anything.

I'll go over it after it finishes, and I might put it up for analysis on the Removal Thread if I think it's a stomp. But nothing stopping you from doing that.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So this guy shouldn't have any losses?

Technically speaking he ca kill his foes, he just prefers to kill himself.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Technically speaking he ca kill his foes, he just prefers to kill himself.

His losses include characters he can't harm such as a 9-B, a 8-C, two 9-As and a 7-A.