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Concurrently, POC has canonical elements, buts that is really it. Pluto's page mentions this in the notes at the bottom
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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread
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There are two manga versions, official and scanlated
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talking about manga, there are some panels where the scanlation is more accurate
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I remember that, only at the scene talking of a heaven that refers to demon world
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Last i read, even in the blog with the feats compilation, that official one is better then fan scanlation overall
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That pocket realm is called a universe in Precious Tears as confirmed in a recent CRT thread. An infinitely expanding universe at that. Kamiya's word is just another confirmation and support.
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And you would need proof that that scales to physicals
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How demonic energy works inverse already takes care of that pretty much.
Also, since the downgrade is doing 4-a anyway off that feat, doesn't that mean the supposed downgrade already agrees that the feat would scale to physicality?
Also, since the downgrade is doing 4-a anyway off that feat, doesn't that mean the supposed downgrade already agrees that the feat would scale to physicality?
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Again our new regulations basically invalidate that,you need explicit proof that the creation feats scale to their destruction feats
The 4-A feat would be a downgrade of their tier 2 feats, not their physicals.
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Mundus got his power from the Qliphoth's fruit. That would naturally make it scale unless you seriously believe Mundus had universe-creating powers before coming into contact with the Qliphoth or that the Qliphoth grants creation powers (which it doesn't). Not to mention Mundus using his demonic power for everything he creates.
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Weekly you do know that Bayonetta's 3-A and 2-C feats are in question of that if that's seriously the standard? Not to mention that specific standard applies to things smaller than moons. Universal pocket dimensions aren't required for that when it checks off the requirements for creation feats, which applies to mundus.
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Nope, they wer already discussed, they have actual physicalfeats of 3-A and 2-C destruction
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Again,having the same power source does not automatically translate into creation scaling to physical power, thats literally a written rule on the new standards page
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No they do not, literally all we ever got for them is creating a universe and merging two timelines, therefore by your twisted logic Bayo's not close to that level.
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You really werent paying attention to the crt if thats all you think they have but yes, if that were all they had then they would be downgradd as well
Also why are you bringing up Bayonetta here? This is the DMC thread
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That isn't the same power source thing. Mundus literally got his power from a fruit that only gives a butt load of demonic power on the level of a demon king to whoever eats it. Without the Qliphoth, Mundus would not have been able to perform his feat from DMC1.
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Okay so it should be easy to show a feat of destruction on that level if it exists, but if not then that point is moot and would be treated as a 'same energy source'
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Creation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
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how does this not fit demon power?
and where does it state "it needs destruction feats of equal worth for it to apply to AP"?
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@WeeklyBattles then prove me wrong and show me the proof, because last time I checked the main feats for 3-A and 2-C is making a universe and merging the timelines.
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Stabilization Feats
This is a type of feat where a character's existence, energy, presence, or any given factor from them sustains a structure on any given scale. And through their sustenance, their statistics are subsequently tiered to being at the level of power that is relative to the given scale of the...
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Requirement 1: Specify what exactly is being stabilized so that it is made clear what the character's sustainability is doing precisely.
Requirement 2: Prove that the stabilized structure is being directly sustained by the power of the character and not from the character's abilities, life force, existence, magical properties or any unknown connection that is independent of their statistics.
Requirement 3: Prove that the character's stabilization is comparable to the scale of the structure they are stabilizing. Preferably, it should be proven that the character's sustainability is comparable to the destruction of the structure to best show that their power rivals the destructive output of what would destroy the structure in the first place. Please keep in mind that this may vary depending on how the structure's destruction would occur. For example, if a character sustains the existence of a universe that would not be instantly or immediately destroyed when no longer supported, the power of their sustainability would not be comparable to destructive output that completely and immediately destroys a universe, and would not be sufficient enough to be given a 3-A or Low 2-C rating. However, their sustainability could be given either rating if the universe they sustain would be completely destroyed instantly or immediately without support.
Requirement 4: Prove that the power of the character's stabilization consistently scales to their regular statistics, similar to our standards for creation feats.
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Off the top of my head theres Bayo destroying the barrier around Hell that was designed to withstand the universe's destruction and Jubileus, Sheba, and Aesir tanking the event that split th universe into the Trinity of Realities
But again this is derailing the conversation, ive no idea why you decided to bring Bayonetta into this
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Weekly, that isn't only a stabilization feat. It's first and foremost a creation feat.
Weekly, it's a creation feat that falls directly in line with the creation feat standards. The stability side is secondary.Stabilization Feats
This is a type of feat where a character's existence, energy, presence, or any given factor from them sustains a structure on any given scale. And through their sustenance, their statistics are subsequently tiered to being at the level of power that is relative to the given scale of the...
Requirement 1: Specify what exactly is being stabilized so that it is made clear what the character's sustainability is doing precisely.
Requirement 2: Prove that the stabilized structure is being directly sustained by the power of the character and not from the character's abilities, life force, existence, magical properties or any unknown connection that is independent of their statistics.
Requirement 3: Prove that the character's stabilization is comparable to the scale of the structure they are stabilizing. Preferably, it should be proven that the character's sustainability is comparable to the destruction of the structure to best show that their power rivals the destructive output of what would destroy the structure in the first place. Please keep in mind that this may vary depending on how the structure's destruction would occur. For example, if a character sustains the existence of a universe that would not be instantly or immediately destroyed when no longer supported, the power of their sustainability would not be comparable to destructive output that completely and immediately destroys a universe, and would not be sufficient enough to be given a 3-A or Low 2-C rating. However, their sustainability could be given either rating if the universe they sustain would be completely destroyed instantly or immediately without support.
Requirement 4: Prove that the power of the character's stabilization consistently scales to their regular statistics, similar to our standards for creation feats.
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What does mundus' feat have to with stabilization?
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"In order to apply to a character's capacity to harm other characters, that is their usual Attack Potency, their Creation has to be connected to their other abilities. For example, it can be reasoned that a mage who can conjure a city with little mana can destroy one with the same amount of mana, however a character who can create objects without other ways of harming their opponents wouldn't be able to harness that power to hurt another character, and would fall under a light form of Environmental Destruction."
Mundus' feat would still be viableas a creation feat but without any other feats on that level theres nothing to argue that it scales to general AP
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Weekly that "feat" got throughly debunked a while ago. You were in the thread. There is a reason why that is nowhere in the scaling or on any blogs. Why are you being disingenuous?
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That feat's not even part of the reasons they're 3-A to 2-C, the gates at best have statements of being protected from humans.
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Creation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
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"Even though there is concrete evidence for pocket reality creations to qualify as an Attack Potency feat; it should not be assumed to scale to physical statistics without some notable scaling reasons. Examples include on screen demonstrations, examples of destruction, or information that the same pool of energy used to create said dimension can translate to the same amount of energy being used for other abilities including but not limited to physical strikes."
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Dude i dont even know why Glass decided to bring up Bayonetta here im justtrying to gt him to go away and stop derailing
Plus this is the first time ive ever brought up that feat so i have no idea where you think it was debunked
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Creation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
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"Even though there is concrete evidence for pocket reality creations to qualify as an Attack Potency feat; it should not be assumed to scale to physical statistics without some notable scaling reasons. Examples include on screen demonstrations, examples of destruction, or information that the same pool of energy used to create said dimension can translate to the same amount of energy being used for other abilities including but not limited to physical strikes."
You would need proof that his physical AP is equal to the energy of the creation feat
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I'm bringing up bayonetta cause I'm pointing out the flawed logic you're pulling. Also no I'm not going away as I have the right to debate for or against a point in a verse I know about.
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He doesn't need any other feats. He performed the feat by using energy that he got from a fruit that gives the person who eats it nothing but energy.
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The very existence of a discord server meant to downgrade one verse in favor of another is already the embodiment of disingenuousness, and everything King of Negativity said is wrong with this site. I don’t think you can get worse than that.
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Then she'd be downgraded too. Cool, now go away, we were having a nice calm conversation before you butted in and derailed everything
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He needs feats of destruction on par with the feats of creation, thats literally why these standards were made
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Your issue here is literally solved by pluto. His feat is physical
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No I'm not gonna go away, you're constantly making random claims with no rhyme or reason when Mundus and the other god tiers have more evidence to suggest it scales to their actual power as opposed to just creation.
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Except the standards say "In order to apply to a character's capacity to harm other characters, that is their usual Attack Potency, their Creation has to be connected to their other abilities. For example, it can be reasoned that a mage who can conjure a city with little mana can destroy one with the same amount of mana, however a character who can create objects without other ways of harming their opponents wouldn't be able to harness that power to hurt another character, and would fall under a light form of Environmental Destruction."
Mundus is the mage and demonic power is the mana. The only way to debunk this is by saying Mundus could create universes without the Qliphoth Fruit's energy which is complete and utter nonsense.
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Oh? What feat is that?
