Death Battle Season Seven Discussion Thread (19) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Jasonsith]

True on that, I guess I really want Alucard to pull the victory.

JJBA fans and FOTNS haters say otherwise.

Does that mean they got it wrong? Or higballed it?

Actually... both IMO so yeah One Piece is slower than Naruto and danmaku gives area of effect that counters stealth or even invisibility, and then while Rock Lee is still AP stomped(?) (over 12 gigatons of TNT Sanji vs about 230 megatons of TNT Rock Lee) pre eighth gate he one-shots (was four hundred eighty petatons of TNT) post eighth gate.

 

[Mariogoods]

I have seen Kyle Rayner VS Simon the Digger. Another DC character victory or not?

(Son Goku, Sweet Tooth, Twilight Sparkle, Ben Tennyson, Sindel, She-Ra and Archie Sonic:
We'll give you our abilities, Simon the Digger)

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I guess it depends on if they scale Simon to 11th dimensional

 

[Mariogoods]

Spoiler: Possible DB verdict about Kyle Rayner VS Simon the Digger

Wiz: Except, Kyle has broken fate a few times himself, the best example being when he ran to the end of reality and forced the concept of death itself to die.

Boomstick: Ugh, because Green Lantern.

Wiz: Simply put, Simon's hypothesized nature as an anomaly in reality just wasn't enough protection against someone who could also break the rules of reality.

Boomstick: Both these characters understandably seem overpowered to an extreme fault, but it's important to remember that in their respective worlds, the story comes first. Simon was impressive, improbable, inexplainable, but Kyle had the power, the counters, and the speed he needed to pull ahead in this absolutely mind-bending battle.

 

[Thestrikingzebra]

It used to be considered a Simon win but nowadays it’s more evenly matched with Guy most likely winning.

 

[Mariogoods]

Then, who can stop the DC manslaughter?

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Spoiler: Possible DB verdict about Kyle Rayner VS Simon the Digger

Wiz: Except, Kyle has broken fate a few times himself, the best example being when he ran to the end of reality and forced the concept of death itself to die.

Boomstick: Ugh, because Green Lantern.

Wiz: Simply put, Simon's hypothesized nature as an anomaly in reality just wasn't enough protection against someone who could also break the rules of reality.

Boomstick: Both these characters understandably seem overpowered to an extreme fault, but it's important to remember that in their respective worlds, the story comes first. Simon was impressive, improbable, inexplainable, but Kyle had the power, the counters, and the speed he needed to pull ahead in this absolutely mind-bending battle.
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Where'd you get this?

 

[Hunterzillas]

Wait, I know everyone wants Disney Princess royale for the memes apparently, but why?
It makes no sense even as a gag.
Also why not the villains since they have actual abilities?

Because I have spent an embarrassing amount of time researching that fight. I mean talking movies, comics, video games, children's books..... so many children's books!

And I demand that all that research (which isn't even complete) is justified in some manner.

 

[00potato]

He literally copied the Archie vs Flash ending and replaced the names, I doubt he got it from anywhere besides that.

 

[Jasonsith]

00potato has well said.

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Marvel has tried it... Having some heavy hitters winning their DC counterpart... but being slaughtered more times than not.

Maybe. Just maybe. Alfred Pennysworth vs any fictional battle butler. Throw Cyborg against some character you never heard of or pit him against in the first place.

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The biggest hurdle to Simon the Digger vs Kyle Rayner is that the animation looks weird with a human sized Jesus figure character against a galaxy sized super robot. There are "David vs Goliath" death battles with big size differences but this is way too far to the level of ruining the visual effect like a bigger difference than Zero-Two vs Zero-Two for example.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Scarlet Witch stomps Zantana, so there's that. And Jean Grey smacks Kyle Rayner also.

 

[Mariogoods]

Where'd you get this?

It is not from DB team. It is simply the Flash VS Sonic result with some words changed by me in order to be funny. But given the nature of DB, I think they will use similar statement.

 

[Mariogoods]

The biggest hurdle to Simon the Digger vs Kyle Rayner is that the animation looks weird with a human sized Jesus figure character against a galaxy sized super robot. There are "David vs Goliath" death battles with big size differences but this is way too far to the level of ruining the visual effect like a bigger difference than Zero-Two vs Zero-Two for example.

I think it is not a big problem. I think Green Lantern Ring is broken enough to imagine a similar super robot too.

 

[EJthe24th]

Actually... both IMO so yeah One Piece is slower than Naruto and danmaku gives area of effect that counters stealth or even invisibility, and then while Rock Lee is still AP stomped(?) (over 12 gigatons of TNT Sanji vs about 230 megatons of TNT Rock Lee) pre eighth gate he one-shots (was four hundred eighty petatons of TNT) post eighth gate.

You think someone is going to explain this? Or Ben and the crew going to explain how they got calculation?

 

[Tipper17]

I think it is not a big problem. I think Green Lantern Ring is broken enough to imagine a similar super robot too.

a GL named Frodo was expanding to size of a Galaxy

you can argue Kyle as a WL being able to level the playing field

Scarlet Witch stomps Zantana, so there's that. And Jean Grey smacks Kyle Rayner also.

i see no connections with Jean and Kyle so no worries there

It used to be considered a Simon win but nowadays it’s more evenly matched with Guy most likely winning.

basiaclly like this
Simon>GL Kyle easily
Simon>Ion Kyle
Simon vs WL Kyle Full Power is Where things change

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

What form of Kyle do you think DB will use?

 

[Tipper17]

What form of Kyle do you think DB will use?

if he fights Simon there definitely gonna be using the WL form for him to have a shot at beating Simon

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Wouldn't Kyle be 2-C at best due to scaling from the Life Entity? Even bare minimum, I think Simon scales to Multiversal+ due to some multiverse labyrinth from Gurren Lagaan or something

 

[Tipper17]

Wouldn't Kyle be 2-C at best due to scaling from the Life Entity? Even bare minimum, I think Simon scales to Multiversal+ due to some multiverse labyrinth from Gurren Lagaan or something

you know Kyle with the WL was becoming one with the source and created his own source wall right?
DB would view this shit on the same level of multiversal+

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

@Tipper17 no I did not, though him merging with The Source and making his own Source Wall seems a little far beyond his normal power output

 

[Sorvoe551]

Wait, doesn't Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagen (the galaxy sized one) require multiple pilots? Wouldn't that be considered outside help by DB? Granted, it's been forever since I've seen the anime and never saw the movies (I don't know how canon they are)

 

[Tipper17]

@Tipper17 no I did not, though him merging with The Source and making his own Source Wall seems a little far beyond his normal power output

Well to clarify
Him becoming one with the source took place in the future
The latter involved solving the life equation

Wait, doesn't Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagen (the galaxy sized one) require multiple pilots? Wouldn't that be considered outside help by DB? Granted, it's been forever since I've seen the anime and never saw the movies (I don't know how canon they are)

I think they could be allowed

 

[Mariogoods]

you know Kyle with the WL was becoming one with the source and created his own source wall right?
DB would view this shit on the same level of multiversal+

Simon may have chance to be stronger than multiversal+ per vs battles profile, but IDK if DB will consider that.

 

[Tipper17]

Simon may have chance to be stronger than multiversal+ per vs battles profile, but IDK if DB will consider that.

depends how they view TTGL cosmology

 

[Tipper17]

also i know i said it before but i find it funny how Dark Schneider was once the hottest shit in the Vs community back in the day only to lose relevance as his old peers (Goku,Usagi,Seiya etc) left him in the dust thanks to there upgrades/Revaluations

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

@Tipper17 the power of continuing to make stories is quite strong

 

[Cropfist]

I have never once seen Bastard be acknowledged outside of versus debating.

 

[Hunterzillas]

also i know i said it before but i find it how Dark Schneider was once the hottest shit in the Vs community back in the day only to lose relevance as his old peers (Goku,Usagi,Seiya etc) left him in the dust thanks there upgrades/Revaluations

Ah yeah, the good ole days.

 

[Jasonsith]

I have never once seen Bastard be acknowledged outside of versus debating.

Should I also mention GetBackers and Code: Breaker? These verses are far more broken than they look.

Oh Medaka Box is one verse well received within the character vs community but much lesser known outside.

In contrast with Senki Season Symohogear which is well known in Asia but less known in America and even lesser known in the character vs community.

 

[Thestrikingzebra]

Don’t forget Umineko. That’s another very powerful series, even being able to go against Lovecraft Mythos.

 

[Mariogoods]

Who can end DC manslaughter?

 

[Makotofanboy]

Who can end DC manslaughter?

Morgana maybe if he fights Dex-Starr?

 

[Makotofanboy]

Question, I want to post an poll on Underestimated and Overestimated verses on here. Should I use General or Fun and Games?
Or I can post it here if I want to?

 

[Jasonsith]

Question, I want to post an poll on Underestimated and Overestimated verses on here. Should I use General or Fun and Games?
Or I can post it here if I want to?

Please send us a link to your said page at Fun and Games board. Thanks.

 

[Tipper17]

I have never once seen Bastard be acknowledged outside of versus debating.

not about being known outside of it just how its lost relevance within it
same with Tenchi Muyo LHW used to be the hottest shit back than as well

 

[Loh67867]

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Why Magnus as "The One"?

 

[Loh67867]

Why Magnus as "The One"?

It's super thematic, two of Square's most evil guys with similiar spells
Also has a fantastic animation potential

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Fair enough, though I thought Magnus became a good guy but I could be wrong because I've never played Chrono Trigger before

 

[00potato]

Sephiroth already had a perfect match in Vergil.
Bring in a real FF character. Wakka vs Soren.