Death Battle Season Seven Discussion Thread (19) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Mariogoods]

Bardock's opponents are nearly all fathers of main protagonists.
Jor-El? Now Goku's father can beat Superman's father.
Minato Namikaze? Dragon Ball mid-tier>Naruto high-tier
Darth Vader? I think Bardock wins due to their stats (Legend Vader is used)

 

[Jasonsith]

Bardock's opponents are nearly all fathers of main protagonists.
Jor-El? Now Goku's father can beat Superman's father.
Minato Namikaze? Dragon Ball mid-tier>Naruto high-tier
Darth Vader? I think Bardock wins due to their stats (Legend Vader is used)

Jor-El should be comparable to General Zod (Post-Crisis) who is somehow comparable to Superman (Post-Crisis).
Naruto's father gets screwed hard.
That Dark Knight... It may be a good chance to examine DBZ speed versus Star Wars speed.

 

[Stefano4444]

Not sure if i already post this, but i still want to do it just in case.

 

[Tipper17]

In regards to Shadow vs Ryuko someone should tell them to stick to Shadow character from SA2-06 than the modern era mess

 

[Cropfist]

I bet they'd use Kill la Kill:IF feats to make Ryuko win.

 

[Tipper17]

I bet they'd use Kill la Kill:IF feats to make Ryuko win.

Nah DB rules be if the feat doesn't back up the canon it's not counted
Not to mention folks been saying it's a dream regarding IF feats so it wouldn't be allowed regardless

 

[The_Smashor]

If DB did use Bardock, they probably would include his Anime-Only stuff just due to how iconic it is to his character.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

In regards to Shadow vs Ryuko someone should tell them to to stick to Shadow character from SA2-06 than the modern era mess

Honestly with the modern era sonic games being a sonic fan must suck, like holy shit I'm pretty sure all the character traits got dumb down and the last universal loved sonic game was Mania(which was made by the fans).

What is SEGA gonna do with sonic now?

 

[Tipper17]

This fight better take place in space for the climax

 

[Tipper17]

Honestly with the modern era sonic games being a sonic fan must suck, like holy shit I'm pretty sure all the character traits got dumb down and the last universal loved sonic game was Mania(which was made by the fans).

What is SEGA gonna do with sonic now?

Who the **** knows we have no info since the mess that was Forces got them to be quiet in regards to any new games

 

[Cropfist]

Forces is a little overhated, I get why people were disappointed, but I don't think it was outright terrible.

 

[Tipper17]

If DB did use Bardock, they probably would include his Anime-Only stuff just due to how iconic it is to his character.

Pretty much canon Bardock is kinda fearless but given the events for his demise DB would probably do the same thing for him like they did with broly

 

[Tipper17]

Forces is a little overhated, I get why people were disappointed, but I don't think it was outright terrible.

I think most of the hate stems from the characterization for the cast

 

[Jasonsith]

Nah DB rules be if the feat doesn't back up the canon it's not counted
Not to mention folks been saying it's a dream regarding IF feats so it wouldn't be allowed regardless

Ryuko is still some moon level with Kisaragi.

While Shadow can still get her with Super Shadow, Ryuko gets Akame easily even with her scaling to the full of Esdeath. And likely defeats Masane Amaha.

Speaking of Witchblade, since it is from Image Comics in the USA, would they bring in Sara Pezzini first?

 

[Tipper17]

Ryuko is still some moon level with Kisaragi.

While Shadow can still get her with Super Shadow, Ryuko gets Akame easily even with her scaling to the full of Esdeath. And likely defeats Masane Amaha.

Speaking of Witchblade, since it is from Image Comics in the USA, would they bring in Sara Pezzini first?

i don't see why would the weeb version appear before the OG incarnation
also regarding Kirasagi its a non-standard form that wouldn't be used vs Akame unlike with Shadow

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

On the bright-side its thanks to Forces, I was able to appreciate the attention to detail that was put into classic Sonic's levels in Generations.

Either way the main issue with the Sonic franchise (barring speculation) is the clear creative divide between Sega US and Sega JP.

 

[Tipper17]

clear creative divide between Sega US and Sega JP.

tell me about it

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

tell me about it

Cartoon mascot (Sega US) Vs Shonen protag (Sega JP).

Anyway since it's pretty obvious DB are going to use BotW Link (or at least use his feats/equipment) against Cloud, do you think they'll give Cloud his new skills/feats from FF7R?

 

[Tipper17]

Cartoon mascot (Sega US) Vs Shonen protag (Sega JP).

Anyway since it's pretty obvious DB are going to use BotW Link (or at least use his feats/equipment) against Cloud, do you think they'll give Cloud his new skills/feats from FF7R?

as long it correlates it'll probably be used

 

[The_Smashor]

Forces also had several gameplay problems on top of the bastardized characters, namely the fact that some levels practically played themselves, espesially in Double Boost sections. Infinite's unironically probably the best part of the game, but everything he does has been done way better by others and, in some cases, even in the Sonic franchise itself.

 

[Tipper17]

Also don't understand why folks bring Masane as an option for Ryuko where majority don't even know who she is along the fact the Crew probably are unaware of her existence

 

[Loh67867]

 

[Tipper17]

Not bad

 

[Ari64-SP]

Great picture, all one pixel of it

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Makotofanboy]

Either way the main issue with the Sonic franchise (barring speculation) is the clear creative divide between Sega US and Sega JP.

Can you elaborate on that?

 

[Makotofanboy]

Hello, I wanted to redo some match ups so I started on Azrael. Anyway, I wanted to redo this since I thought why not. Anyway, Azrael, the Mad Dog of Sector Seven. His whole stick is that he is the strong and can **** you up. Many characters give caution to avoid him such as Hakumen and Kokonoe, so you know he isn't a threat to be taken lightly. Anyway, my personal is Kenpachi because they're really almost the same character with same personalities. I can imagine a destructive as hell fight when each one keeps releasing their limiter on themselves as they gloat each other to great stronger and stronger. My alternative is Saitama due an certain fanon fight between them. I moved Juggernaut and Broly up due to well Blazblue speed buff as it's more fair(For Juggernaut mostly, Broly dies straight up). Waldstein is another decent choice but that I see as a DBX. "Not too Great to Yeah, No thanks", well I would say the lesser out of evils is Yujiro but that's what I'll say.

Azrael pretty much kills all of his opponents except maybe Juggernaut(it depends if you by Herald Juggy or hell Skyfather Juggernaut). I say that because due to Blazblue's insane speed buff which makes Juggernaut vs Azrael an one shot contest(more context is that Azrael's punches ignore durability on a 2-A to 1-C level), so it's a very close fight.

What are your thoughts?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Can you elaborate on that?

Oof... there are several vids on YT explaining the creative "split" and it's a subject that I'm not a fan of going into detail since it's been done to death.

Tl;dr: Sega US want Sonic to be a mascot first and a character a second while Sega JP prefer Sonic to be akin to a shonen (self-explanatory) and it's been like that since the beginning aka Sonic 1 where Sonic's design was altered from JP to the west (they gave him a mohawk, made him chubby, made sure he always smiles in most promo material, etc) even tho Sonic was already designed to appeal to western audiences before the design changes.

 

[Makotofanboy]

Oof... there are several vids on YT explaining the creative "split" and it's a subject that I'm not a fan of going into detail since it's been done to death.

Tl;dr: Sega US want Sonic to be a mascot first and a character a second while Sega JP prefer Sonic to be akin to a shonen (self-explanatory) and it's been like that since the beginning aka Sonic 1 where Sonic's design was altered from JP to the west (they gave him a mohawk, made him chubby, made sure he always smiles in most promo material, etc) even tho Sonic was already designed to appeal to western audiences before the design changes.

Oof indeed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Makotofanboy >Not including Jax

For shame

 

[Makotofanboy]

@Makotofanboy >Not including Jax

For shame

That's an match up?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That's an match up?

Jax is basically kenpachi with better hax resistances and way more skill

 

[Makotofanboy]

Jax is basically kenpachi with better hax resistances and way more skill

For a moment I thought you mean MK Jax, but you mean League of Legends. Hold up

 

[Makotofanboy]

Here we go

 

[The_Smashor]

Since we're doing all this matchup rating again, I thought I'd make one of these for a non-Gunvolt character for once.

Byleth has a pretty unique archetype, even among fictional characters, so finding matchups for them isn't the easiest thing in the world (Also from here on out I'll be referring to Byleth as "he" because I refuse to believe his god-awful rule 63-on-a-****-site-looking female design was made and approved by Nintendo and isn't instead a collective horny hallucination between the entire human race). Oh, and also major unmarked spoilers for Three Houses and other games.

Honestly, The One and Good Alts could more or less be changed out with one another. Chiron and All Might are both teachers, like Byleth. However, I think the latter's kind of unlikely since All Might's already appeared in DB against by far his best matchup, even if both have a similarity in just how inspiring they are. Chiron and Byleth both taught legendary heroes in their times, but still were as strong if not stronger than their students (Unlike a lot of Combat Teachers in fiction). They were less training the next generation and more so doing their job. I don't know much about Fate/Grand Order, but Mash seems like a perfect matchup (Though my lack of knowledge stopped me from putting her at number one). Both were going to be used as vessels for another, more powerful being (Sothis for Byleth and Galahand for Mash). Mash is an artificial human made for this purpose, while Byleth's mother Sitri was a homunculus. However, even when inhabited by the beings intended for them, said beings stayed in the background, letting them remain individual. Both even get abilities manipulating time from this.

The people in Fine? are honestly better matchups than the title implies. Honestly, I only put them in Fine? because there were too many characters in Good Alts. Blade has similarities in that she also gets her power from a long dead being, as well as having a similar weapon to the Sword of the Creator. Franken Stein is another teacher and honestly probably fits better than All Might not including charisma, since he fits the theme of not just raising the next generation, but still being superior to their students despite this. The Fire Emblem symbol from Smash represents a Fire Emblem Battle Royale between all the main characters that are in Smash Brothers.

Eh is where we start getting matchups I don't actually want. Ivy just has a similar weapon, while Kakashi probably could be higher but I honestly don't care about Naruto at all.

No Thanks includes Diavolo, who's only connection is time manipulation. It also has Ike on his own. While it's a great matchup with lots of connections, we don't need a same series DB with only two fighters.

 

[Tipper17]

One of the best TN

 

[Tipper17]

thoughts on this

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Honestly I'd like to see that happen at some point assuming that Disney doesn't get all up in arms about seeing Mickey potentially dying in a horrible way.
But isn't Bugs Bunny appreantly a character banned from appearing in DB? If it means I don't have to see people keep claiming that Bugs is beyond fiction tier then I'm okay with it

 

[Tipper17]

Honestly I'd like to see that happen at some point assuming that Disney doesn't get all up in arms about seeing Mickey potentially dying in a horrible way.
But isn't Bugs Bunny appreantly a character banned from appearing in DB? If it means I don't have to see people keep claiming that Bugs is beyond fiction tier then I'm okay with it

There was a rumor that Mickey vs. Bugs would never happen because Disney wouldn't allow Mickey to show up, but that debunked in one of the DB Cast.

 

[Hunterzillas]

thoughts on this

I want this, so bad. I think it might need to be saved for the second to last episode of Death Battle ever, considering the monumental history behind the match.

I mean after this comes out, what else is there to even do?