Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

Alright so apparently Trunks can fly through time on his own https://imgur.io/a/iNQ3VfV
So Silver can't Reverse Flash his eggplant hair ass.

There is also another scan of I need to find of Trunks crossing dimensional barriers to intercept attacks, meaning it's combat applicable

Is this at all consistent or is this just a single instance of Trunks doing something he normally can't do without his time travel device.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Is this at all consistent or is this just a single instance of Trunks doing something he normally can't do without his time travel device.

It's pretty consistent. Several other characters do it, most of which Trunks scales to.

 

[TMaakkonen]

If Silver wins this, will it be the start of a Sonic win-streak? They haven't had one of those in awhile.

Do you count 2 as a streak? Its technically a streak.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I think 3 is more safe to call a streak, although it depends on the person

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Here are two more separate examples https://imgur.io/pwXkyHu

https://imgur.io/a/1o1bXBx

You also have characters being able to intercept the dark dragon balls, which fly beyond space time

https://imgur.io/a/YZAS2j0

You then take this feat, put it at the beginning of a massive scaling chain and add some insane multipliers.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Hey, what do you guys think of Susanoo vs Onslaught?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

speaking of which Street fighter fans had to witness their series have the longest losing streak (S2-S4)
there last win before S5 was S1

And even the S5 is nothing more but wankfest which didnt save them later

 

[Loh67867]

Hey, what do you guys think of Susanoo vs Onslaught?

No

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Not when E Honda meteor smashing scaling comes up.
(Does that also affect a lot of prior SF matchups? Like Cammy White vs Sonya Blade, Balrog/M. Bison vs TJ Combo, ...)

Non canon, outlier and inconsistent too, dunno why they use that shit at all, but to them consistency aint a thing

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Ken winning the vote by a landslide, but doesn't Rock Howard stomp?

Depends on Rock scaling

 

[TMaakkonen]

Which one is more useful statistic, wins compared to losses or overall number of wins?

 

[Jasonsith]

Which one is more useful statistic, wins compared to losses or overall number of wins?

They are two separate issues.

One can have a lot of wins but a very ugly win:loss ratio, while a lot of verses only get in once so they have "100%" win:loss rate.

Neither means anything better or worse, a powerful yet popular verse usually have both.

... or not. Like TMaakkonen says. Verses filled with a few powerful guys (or guys lucky to find weaker opponents) but many other popular jobbers (or unlucky guys meeting stronger opponents) will lead to still observable wins but a WL ratio uglier than expected.

 

[TMaakkonen]

They are two separate issues.

One can have a lot of wins but a very ugly win:loss ratio, while a lot of verses only get in once so they have "100%" win:loss rate.

Neither means anything better or worse, a powerful yet popular verse usually have both.

You'd think that, but looking at raw wins count with win/loss ratio:

Raw Wins - WL Ratio
DC 22 +8
Marvel 21 -1
Dragon Ball 6 +1
Mortal Kombat 5 -1
Sonic 4-5 -1/-2
Street Fighter 4 -4
Mario 4 +0
Star Wars 3 +0/-1
Killer Instinct 3 +1
Pokemon 3 +1
Naruto 3 -2

Verses with 3 wins or more are split on being negative or positive. Hell, bar DC it feels like if a verse is used a lot, there is a chance its WL ratio is negative.

 

[Mariogoods]

You'd think that, but looking at raw wins count with win/loss ratio:

Raw Wins - WL Ratio
DC 22 +8
Marvel 21 -1
Dragon Ball 6 +1
Mortal Kombat 5 -1
Sonic 4-5 -1/-2
Street Fighter 4 -4
Mario 4 +0
Star Wars 3 +0/-1
Killer Instinct 3 +1
Pokemon 3 +1
Naruto 3 -2

Verses with 3 wins or more are split on being negative or positive. Hell, bar DC it feels like if a verse is used a lot, there is a chance its WL ratio is negative.

Bring DC street tier characters to be murdered by non-Marvel characters is a good idea.

I heard that Xeno Trunks wins, though I feel that Archie Silver is stronger and could get the W.

 

[TMaakkonen]

It is interesting how Sonic is in Top 7 wins for verse in DB, yet its WL ratio is not good.

How does Xeno Trunks probability manipulation actually work? XTrunks profile didnt explain it well and Keysword profile implied it looked like generic video game mechanic buff.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

So we all know that the final episode of Death Battle if it ever ended would be Wiz vs Boomstick. Is there a consensus on which of them wins rn? I only ask cause honestly the thought to me of Death Battle doing that fight and then getting it wrong would be hilarious.

 

[greymerlion2]

So we all know that the final episode of Death Battle if it ever ended would be Wiz vs Boomstick. Is there a consensus on which of them wins rn? I only ask cause honestly the thought to me of Death Battle doing that fight and then getting it wrong would be hilarious.

Boomstick has Speedforce so I’m pretty sure that’s just an auto-win unless Wiz gets Touhou shit or something.

 

[Jasonsith]

Bring DC street tier characters to be murdered by non-Marvel characters is a good idea.

Poison Ivy, Penguin, Riddler, Mr Freeze, Alfred Pennysworth... a lot of "DC street tier" characters can be added to the list.

Also one excuse to bar Flash characters like Grodd, Godspeed and Hunter Zolomon from the fight since they murder most of their opponents and will widen the WL ratio gap

 

[TMaakkonen]

So we all know that the final episode of Death Battle if it ever ended would be Wiz vs Boomstick. Is there a consensus on which of them wins rn? I only ask cause honestly the thought to me of Death Battle doing that fight and then getting it wrong would be hilarious.

Surprisingly RT seems to favor Wiz:

Wiz vs Boomstick Death Battle Fan prediction blog

"The following is a fan-made blog, whose opinion is only those involved in its writing. It is not officially endorsed by Rooster Teeth Pro...

ulltraguy.blogspot.com

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Question about archie silver. How good is his resistance to stat manip? According to deathbattle that is.

 

[Jasonsith]

Surprisingly RT seems to favor Wiz:

Wiz vs Boomstick Death Battle Fan prediction blog

"The following is a fan-made blog, whose opinion is only those involved in its writing. It is not officially endorsed by Rooster Teeth Pro...

ulltraguy.blogspot.com

Surprise no surprise by 2021 they cross scale Wiz and Boomstick from each other in stats and Wiz wins only by being less subject to careless faults. Then they have made Wiz subject to faults more often and Boomstick being smarter and makes some mistakes to pure enjoyment.

Question about archie silver. How good is his resistance to stat manip? According to deathbattle that is.

Stat amp? You mean stat manipulation like "growl" to lower opponent's attack potency and "tail whip" to lower opponent's defense potency?

Well I have heard that both can counter each other in some way so it will cancel out. Don't count my word for it.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Surprise no surprise by 2021 they cross scale Wiz and Boomstick from each other in stats and Wiz wins only by being less subject to careless faults. Then they have made Wiz subject to faults more often and Boomstick being smarter and makes some mistakes to pure enjoyment.


Stat amp? You mean stat manipulation like "growl" to lower opponent's attack potency and "tail whip" to lower opponent's defense potency?

Well I have heard that both can counter each other in some way so it will cancel out. Don't count my word for it.

I heard that too but i kinda doubt it. Trunks and keysword have insane stat manip such as lowering your dura and AP to 1, passively reduce his opponents AP to 10% of its original power.

 

[TMaakkonen]

I heard that too but i kinda doubt it. Trunks and keysword have insane stat manip such as lowering your dura and AP to 1, passively reduce his opponents AP to 10% of its original power.

What is 10% of infinite? :^)

 

[TheGreatBanana]

What is 10% of infinite? :^)

10% of silvers power is obv lower than his 100%.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

10% of 5-D potency, which we know is where DB scales the Archie characters. So then the question would be if DB thinks Heroes is 5-D as well

 

[Mariogoods]

Also one excuse to bar Flash characters like Grodd, Godspeed and Hunter Zolomon from the fight since they murder most of their opponents and will widen the WL ratio gap

It's time to summon broken novel verses.

 

[Jasonsith]

10% of 5-D potency, which we know is where DB scales the Archie characters. So then the question would be if DB thinks Heroes is 5-D as well

If that sword can render some high dimension beings vulnerable against 3-D attacks that's another story.

Also one excuse to bar Flash characters like Grodd, Godspeed and Hunter Zolomon from the fight since they murder most of their opponents and will widen the WL ratio gap

It's time to summon broken novel verses.

Verse cannot be too obscure and some close connections should be present to attract clicks tho

 

[TheGreatBanana]

10% of 5-D potency, which we know is where DB scales the Archie characters. So then the question would be if DB thinks Heroes is 5-D as well

If DB thinks that heroes is 5D. Then trunks lol stat manips silver. If not. Then....silver might win

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Well that's certainly the big question.
IMO, the biggest factor to Trunks ultimately winning is if DBs' researchers scale Heroes to 5-D like Archie, and then it would be how they interpret the Keysword

 

[TMaakkonen]

Black vs RF blog mentioned some stuff

So the short answer is it might be closer, but Goku Black would proooooobably still lose. Even in Xenoverse/Heroes the most you can really argue for is multiversal+, with maybe 1 dimension on top of that with some levity(and it honestly takes waaaay more steps to get to that point than DC). DC’s multiverse is much larger in comparison and frankly Zoom would still be stronger if you decide to take dimensional tiering seriously, because of the bleed. Not to mention Zoom has far more “incalculable” speed feats than you can possibly argue for heroes(which has maybe one or two feats, which are contested).


This doesn’t get into the fact that technically Xenoverse, Online and Heroes are all separate continuities. As well as the fact many of the Heroes games/media like the victory mission, ultimate mission X, world mission, the various anime/manga ect are also essentially separate adaptations with similar concepts.There really isn’t some grand master plan that ties this stuff together. It's all fanservice and most of the attempts to connect it all into something cohesive is mainly just fan theory.


The only argument I’ve ever seen is people trying to say Heroes is “outerversal” because the player character in Heroes, “Beat”, Comes from the “real world''. Then that this “real world” looks down upon Dragonball as fiction. But that’s always been heavily extrapolating imo. Beat’s world in heroes is pretty consistently portrayed as just being a future timeline of Dragon Ball GT, and has cameos, references and so on pointing to that being the case as early as 2012.


Regardless if you have to go this far, it’s pretty clear Black can’t win without some heavy benefits of the doubt.

Goku Black vs Reverse Flash Q and A

"The following is the opinion of only those involved in its writing. It is not officially endorsed by Rooster Teeth Productions or neces...

ulltraguy.blogspot.com

Dunno how much things have changed.

 

[Chronicplane]

I'm pretty sure the Sonic super forms are immune or highly resistant to power siphoning/draining/altering shenanigans so I very highly doubt it will be anything to worry about, essentially both Trunks and Silver have very high levels of haxxes resistances which as @Kirbonic_Pikmin referred to makes it a tad too convoluted.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Power rings restore speed according to last DB, since they apparently allowed them also to bestow wishes then I think its not a leap that they'd allow restore other powers too? Silver's getting Power ring going by preview.

Cant remember examples of that happening tho, anyone else remember better?

 

[TartaChocholate]

Not gonna lie, I was actually pretty surprised at first when I found out Trunks actually had good chances against Archie Silver. Given how utterly crazy Archie Sonic is in general, but I also legitimately underestimated how haxy Heroes was. Given how straightforward Dragon Ball tends to be.

 

[RiloKileyFan]

Goku Black vs Reverse Flash is now one year old. Time flew by

What are the chances Trunksilver takes place after BlackFlash? Like Trunks checks out what the heck happened then Silver shows up?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Goku Black vs Reverse Flash is now one year old. Time flew by

What are the chances Trunksilver takes place after BlackFlash? Like Trunks checks out what the heck happened then Silver shows up?

That would be some really interesting continuity.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Goku Black vs Reverse Flash is now one year old. Time flew by

What are the chances Trunksilver takes place after BlackFlash? Like Trunks checks out what the heck happened then Silver shows up?

They should use time travel and warp ring to go through all shenanigan's episodes, GL, Booster Gold, Wally Sonic, Black RF etc.

 

[Joycap]

Surprisingly RT seems to favor Wiz:

Wiz vs Boomstick Death Battle Fan prediction blog

"The following is a fan-made blog, whose opinion is only those involved in its writing. It is not officially endorsed by Rooster Teeth Pro...

ulltraguy.blogspot.com

Wiz has all these gadgets, and 9 seasons is prep.

Boomstick is literally a drunktard with a handgun

 

[TMaakkonen]

Wiz has all these gadgets, and 9 seasons is prep.

Boomstick is literally a drunktard with a handgun

But BS is the funny one.

oh hey BS got technovirus, can't he now control all machines?

 

[TacticalNuke002]

DIO vs Alucard hit 4M views either today or yesterday.

 

[Kontororou]

But BS is the funny one.

oh hey BS got technovirus, can't he now control all machines?

Technovirus, Omnitrix, Popeyes Spinach, Speed Force (though technically Wiz should have this as well, since he's the one who made the Speed Force juice), probably some other things I'm forgetting.

Boomstick might be broken lol