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Okay, something that bothers me with this: how does Josuke have dura neg? I’ve read the manga twice and I’ve watch the anime 3 times and I have no clue where this comes from. Last time I checked Josuke was able to fuse people into objects by like basically breaking them apart no? Although I generally agree with thisIchiban vs Josuke Higashikata from Jojo is his big matchup rn I think. This matchup kind of varies wildly depending on a single feat, and has some interesting stuff going into it. So Ichiban in base is actually stronger and faster, with Josuke's speed being peak human with Relatavistic+ reactions, while Ichiban has hypersonic reactions and combat speed (and one lightning speed attack due to... attacking with actual lightning), he's definitely outpacing Josuke himself, but the big thing is his stand. His stand is Relatavistic+, with a Speed of Light reaction due to tagging another SoL stand. He can also potentially reach FTL speeds, but its situational and dependent on his distance from Josuke in the first place. Josuke himself would not be able to take a hit from Ichiban due to his higher AP, and even if his stand hit Ichiban, they're both comparable in AP and it wouldn't kill him, due to both being building level. The fight could generally come down to if Ichiban could speed blitz and take out Josuke before he materializes his stand, or if he'd be able to hang in against Josuke for long enough after summoning it to get in a definitive finishing blow, which is arguable due to Ichiban's myriad of different weapons and classes and styles, not to mention his summons, and the ways he has to keep in the battle with his healing items and effects like being able to survive a fatal blow. It's also arguable that Ichiban could see and directly combat Josuke's stand, due to him being able to see and interact with spirits in the real world, and downscaling from Kiryu, who was able to physically punch and put spirits to rest with his bare hands.
HOWEVER Josuke does have some wincons. For one, the Speed of Light tagging his stand pulled off definitely outclasses Ichiban's speed, and he could potentially beat down Ichiban in time before he could seal the deal on Josuke. It also seems that when Josuke is enraged he can bypass conventional durability by fusing people together with other objects, which would bypass Ichiban's durability. The argument could generally go either way..... but....
What throws a wrench in this MU is if you buy the Satellite laser or not. The satellite laser is.... interesting, as its pretty hard to deny that it exists and is real, Ichiban should realistically be able to summon the satellite laser and hit his opponent with it, which based on calculations, would likely be somewhere in Tier 6 based on it splitting clouds the way it did. This is obviously, far, far beyond Josuke's pedigree and would kill him instantly. I'd say he has a pretty solid wincon on this front, if he's in danger of death, pulling back and just dropping a satellite laser on Josuke would absolutely do the job and put him under. However, scaling Ichiban (or any Yakuza character for that matter) to the laser itself is ABSOLUTELY preposterous. It's the definition of an outlier and Tier 6 Yakuza, as incredibly based as that sounds, should not be scaled to every character. It belongs EXPLICITLY to this ONE summon that Ichiban has.
So yeah, I lean towards Ichi taking this matchup, he has greater variety, could debatably see Josuke's stand, some interesting gimmicks to keep him in the game longer, summons to help him out, obviously outclasses Josuke physically and can at least match his stands' regular output, though would struggle with its higher speeds, and if using the Satellite laser, has an easy instant kill method available at the press of a button. However he absolutely could be killed via being outpaced by Josuke's stand at its higher end speeds and killed with its dura negging abilities.