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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Stefano4444 said:
How exactly that make Popeye Universe level? That sound more like resistance to Existence Erasure.
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Can't see why it can't be both
And regardless the crew views it as such so unless until we get to Saitama fighting God nothing changes for now

greymerlion2 said:
I just know a Chainsaw Man episode for DB would go crazy if he wrote it.
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We'll see he has a nice start so far but if he continues to prove himself then we're not gonna have any problems

But Gojo vs Makima gonna be a shit storm when they finally do it
 
greymerlion2 said:
I just know a Chainsaw Man episode for DB would go crazy if he wrote it.

Come to think of it, a Chainsaw Man episode dropping in the second half of Season 9 would be perfect timing, especially if it's alongside the anime release. And since Gojo vs Makima was covered, that pretty much leaves Denji as the potential representative for CSM. That would leave us with Yuji, Kafka, or Kaiman as his opponent, of all whom are new series rep which would line up with the promise of a bunch of new franchises.

I might need to stop theorizing before I get my hopes inevitably shattered.
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All are possible opponents.

Just do not expect all of them to be in the coming Part 2.

greymerlion2 said:
This is actually funny, because if Makima loses, CSM fans are either gonna be wildly cheering, or furious.

I'm the former btw, I've been praying on Makima's downfall from the beginning.
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Either loses, the losing camp will have their own sub camps divided and debating.

While the winners will act like discussing in a sophisticated manner eating afternoon tea snacks.

Either wins, it will be one Beerlaxia moment I can already picture.
 
Episode 10: Deku vs Gon
Episode 11: Kenpachi, Rukia, or Yoruchi vs ???
Episode 12: Black Adam vs Apocalypse
Episode 13: Jason vs Michael
Episode 14: Free Space
Episode 15: Gru vs Megamind
Episode 16: Galactus vs Unicorn

My prediction for the 2nd half. Let's see how many I get right this time.
 
Peter_Quicksilver_Maximoff said:
Episode 10: Free Space
Episode 11: Kenpachi, Rukia, or Yoruchi vs ???
Episode 12: Black Adam vs Apocalypse
Episode 13: Jason vs Michael
Episode 14: Free Space
Episode 15: Gru vs Megamind
Episode 16: Galactus vs Unicorn

My prediction for the 2nd half. Let's see how many I get right this time.
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You really holding out for Bleach rep, lmao. I respect it tbh.

Black Adam vs Apocalypse announcement would genuinely put me to sleep, I could not give less of a **** about either character. Episode would probably be good though.

MAN, if it’s Galactus vs Unicron instead of Simon vs Kyle, I’m gonna be sad.
 
TheGreatMaster12 said:
Good, Simon vs Kyle is an overrated as hell matchup (I still like the matchup but it's overrated), and it would only make the weeb community cry if the DC character ended up winning (which is great to me because weebs are cringe)
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Aint no way you said this with a Dio vs Jotaro pfp lmao. Also damn, where’s this coming from? I respect the preference, but you didn’t have come at me like that.
 
Hmmm... DB will likely have at least 3 more new franchises reps this season (not include 007 Vs Wick) imo.

I do agree with some fans off-site that similar verses that deal with galactic threats should take notes from OPM when it comes to showing off destructive feats. Even with the AoE fallacy and/or in verse explanations, it kinda gets ridiculous seeing planet to universe busters barely damaging the local environment in their fights despite going "all out".

Also imagine if current Saitama fought parallel Saitama?
 
Peter_Quicksilver_Maximoff said:
Episode 10: Deku vs Gon
Episode 11: Kenpachi, Rukia, or Yoruchi vs ???
Episode 12: Black Adam vs Apocalypse
Episode 13: Jason vs Michael
Episode 14: Free Space
Episode 15: Gru vs Megamind
Episode 16: Galactus vs Unicorn

My prediction for the 2nd half. Let's see how many I get right this time.
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1.i could see it happening new season of BNHA,New franchise,Would net big views
2.Can't say I see a Bleach Rep this season when they don't have a particular MU that's hot RN
3.Possible only thing that's holds it back that it was a DBX last season
4.feels guaranteed but frankly need to wait n see
5.unknown for the 14th
6.we're due for a Cartoon MU this season
7.i could see them do it next season I don't believe the blender team can do it justice
 
A season finale is usually a 3D, a hand drawn, or a mix.

JoshDoshMosh said:
Hey guys, what do you think about Fate Nobunaga or Gorr vs Nanashi SMT?
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Not sure if popular enough to bring them to Death Battle. Or knowledged enough by staff and familiar enough among the audience.
JoshDoshMosh said:
You think we’d get another Mecha fight anytime soon?
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Hard to get one soon in Death Battle practically but options are available:

EVA-01 vs Wing Gundam (Zero Custom)
Or EVA-01 vs 00 Gundam Quanta
Or EVA-01 vs Gipsy Danger
Or (less popular) Asuka (EVA) vs Zero-Two (DITF)
Or (less popular) Megas XLR vs Symbionic Titan
Or (one oriental favorite) Mazinger Z vs Getter Robot
Or (another oriental favorite) Burning Gundam vs Red Baron

Galactus vs Unicron and Kyle Rayner vs Simon the Digger can be argued as fights with giant robots.
 
fandom_0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
What are the chances of fanfiction/derivative works getting on DB?
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Very, very low. Ignoring the RoosterTeeth rep of Red vs Blue, I don't think we'd ever get anything else.

MAYBE a Creepypasta MU at best. Sonic.EXE vs RED is kind of a sleeper creepypasta MU that might be doable, considering they're both fan-made characters for spooky game fan stories, and Sonic.EXE is especially relevant in the algorithm rn due to FNF. Otherwise I can't really think of much else.
 
fandom_0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
What are the chances of fanfiction/derivative works getting on DB?
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Unlikely.
More likely if you count indie/doujin company works like Shovel Knight or Hollow Knight or Touhou Project or "When They Cry" series.
Far more likely if you count those franchises whose owners already expanded into multinational companies (Like the Fate series owned by Type Moon > Notes).

And I consider Rooster Teeth as a content creating company by itself and therefore a definitive copyright or franchise owner.
 
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Foxthefox1000 said:
Does SCP count in that? Then again as much as people want a certain match I don't think SCPs will get an episode. But I could be wrong
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SCP Foundation falls into "collective writing". This is further from fan fiction but still a distance from indie or doujin works.

Given there are a lot of matchups and a lot of franchises untouched by Death Battle, I do not see them touching SCP Foundation soon.

Repetitive I may sound, but there are just a LOT of franchises and verses not touched by Rooster Teeth. Just looking into the USA and Japan. Then we have Korea and France works. Then they are looking into PR China - there are some USA and Canada works whose companies are acquired by PR China but those totally "originated" by PR China or ROC Taiwan are still be seen (Pili puppet series, Genshin Impact, Honkai Impact, oh that fantasy xuanxia Xue Ying and the classic Jin Yong series and Gu Long series...).
 
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AND NOW, FOR THE MOMENT YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

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JOYCAP POST-XC3 XENO JRPG VS MU SPREADS - V1​

(tbh I was going to add a gif of Moebius D breakdancing to a spongebob meme, but ezgif doesn't want to work atm, so I won't)

So, how are we going to handle this?

I think to start, I'll focus on some of the main six, and see how accurate my guesses for their MUs have been (in a 'Kangaskid shiny speculation' kind of way). So, let's get started!

1) Noah.

What were his MUs? One of either Balder (Bayonetta) or a PLA rep. Leaning towards Balder on this one. And all things considered... I was bang on the money with this one. Noah being another version of N isn't too dissimlar to how Balder is a vessel of Aesir (creating FB from Bayo 1), and while the Keves/Agnus war being a result of Moebius being similar to the Umbran Witches / Lumen Sages fight for the eyes of the world (order/chaos and all that) doesn't quite play as big of a role, it's still a welcome addition. Oh, and Rosa dying is similar to what happens to Mio, so there's that.

Grade: A+

2) Mio.

(initial) MU of choice: Sheik

Yeah, I'm not going to beat around the bush, I had no idea what I was doing with this one. I just saw 'flute' and thought 'eh, it's a placeholder'. Grade: F.

So, what are we doing instead? Well...

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3) Lanz

I had a choice of two MUs for this one: Junpei Iori (Persona 3), or... Balthus (FE3H)... for some reason, so we're focusing on Junpei Iori for this one. And not to toot my own horn, but this one checks out. Both are the 'fun-loving knuckleheads' of stories about a short life (Lanz having 10 terms, and Junpei being a character in Persona 3 (you should know what I'm implying here)), and go through arcs that have them fundamentally questioning themselves (Lanz with his faux-lack of confidence, and Junpei using his personality as a sort of coping mechanism for his abuses and inferiority complex). Both also have former friends that were (and technically still are/became) members of the main villain groups (Lanz having survivors guilt over the supposed death of Joran, only to find out he became an aspiring member of Moebius, who THEN sacrificed himself to murder-suicide Dirk (Moebius D), and Junpei coming across Chidori and trying to chat her up, only to find out she's a member of Strega, who then sacrifices herself to revive a 'dead' Junpei (resulting in the awakening of Trismegistus), and either ends up dead or an amnesiac (not too dissimilarly to how the Cradles in XC3 scrub memories of those who return to them, not unlike the blades from XC2 they reference)). There's probably more, and it's not immediately obvious knowing we're putting a baseball bat up against a face tank, which trust me... kinda surprised me too.

Grade: A.

4) Taion.

The change away from Jin Shirato feels kinda humiliating, ngl. Although I was flip-flopping between him and the MU Taion did end up going up against. Grade: D-

So, who is he actually going up against? It should be obvious.

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5) Eunie

Grade: ???

I'm going to be honest, Eunie is rather lost on me. Lysethia sort of fits, and yet she also doesn't. And while Yukari (P3) works even better for her own reasons, I don't want to over-saturate the bottom sixth with XenoSona MUs (not to mention that Yukari probably ends up booked by the time I get to her. It's just sods law, really). I'm also tempted to let her take Syrenne (The Last Story), what with Nia and Melia's MU spreads needing to be fundamentally overhauled, lest XC3 gets it's own continuity article for these characters (think pre/post crisis supes), but the million dollar question is... what with?

If someone is willing to give a hand, let me know. I'd appreciate it.

6) Sena

Grade: A-

The only thing that's changed about Sena vs Meru is that because of the way that Origin works, Meru basically gets shitslapped to within an inch of her life (even considering the star-level statement in Feltz). Other than that, the relations are the same: Quirky girls with big hammers, that are a part of any number of persecuted faction(s) (XC3's main cast, and the Winglies), and also have super-forms related to the main gimmick of their respective games. I don't think she needs more than that.

SOME ALTERNATIVE IDEAS FOR POPULAR CONTENDERS:

- Ghondor vs Bakugo (MHA)

Initially, Bakugo was going to be a placeholder for Ghondor, for the simple reason of 'oh, they box with explosive punches, and are overly abrasive'... and then I took a look at the Sena side story, and how the contenders for Ouroboros are actually picked, and that's when the relations actually really started flowing in. Both Ghondor and Bakugo have very competitive work ethics in their... brattiness, to the point of condemning or shouting down those trying to help (Bakugo's Family issues being made clear duing one of S3's training arcs, and Ghondor referring to her mother Monica as 'the Bitchqueen' (although knowing she's Aussie, idk what else I expected)), as well as being quite naturally gifted (Quirks being genetic functions, and Ghondor being part of the Vandham maiden name, one of the founders of the Lost Numbers in Swordmarch). Both have also partaken in break-in, break-out style operations (Bakugo ending up in that one LoV scenario in S2, and Ghondor being part of the City's operations to try and break people out of the Agnian jail in Hopes Rest). Oh, and Slain and Shania exist. You go from there.

This MU also isn't nearly as stat-stompy as it might seem (lest you include Origin scaling), because of the way I, @JoshSSJGod and others are planning to build the hero pages. So... look forward to that, I suppose.

- Ethel vs Blade (Gunvolt iX Chronicles)

I have to concede, this was rather last-minute for Ethel, and it's not like she was lacking for contenders in the run-up to XC3 (3H Catherine, LoD Rose, even an alt to Winter Schnee, if you could believe it), but looking at the way Blade was handled, she's basically perfect: ex-manipulated veterans with humble backstories (Ethel having the 'saviour of Colony 4' thing going on, a Silver-rank commander in her 3rd term, and Blade being Kohahu's sister). The manipulators in this instance being aliases of the series major villains, Moebius K being... well, a Moebius, and Demerzel being an alias of Asimov. Both come out of their manipulations ultimately damaged in some way (Ethel 'dying' and returning to her cradle after getting her runback with Cammuravi, and Blade, with the help of Kokahu, saving Copen from a close shave with Asimov).

I did tap @The_Smashor on the shoulder regarding this one, but he hasn't played XC2/XC3 yet, so Imma wait on that.

- Juniper vs Decidueye (Pokemon SM)

NOTE: I'm referring to Juniper with she/her pronouns, because that's what's been confirmed in the Japanese version through Google translate doing that whole 'refer to biological females as 'he'' thing, and also... the French version of the game... for some reason.

Not much has changed since the last time I bought this MU up. Both are natural-borne hunters, who abstain (mostly) from the world around them, and also partake in archery ingrained into their psychology. Juniper herself sets an example in self-sustenance by growing her own food for Colony Tau, and Decidueye is... well, a Grass Type.

I'm... actually not sure what else I'm supposed to put here, other than 'Claude has better MUs than Decidueye', and this is why.

- Grey vs Soldier: 76 (Overwatch)

This one banks far more on the lowball Hero scaling for these characters, but the relations kinda check out: Both are considered outlaws of a domestic body of officers (The Lost Numbers, and Overwatch itself), and roam the streets with their weapons in not-so-inconspicuous disguises (Grey with the mask and eyepatch, and Jack with the visor). Both are also married men (albeit on opposite ends of sexual preference, one being straight and one gay), and both having 'lost friends they owe a debt to'. That's the long and short of it, and you'll know the relations when you see them.

ANTAGONIST MUs:

- Z vs (either) Infinite Zamasu (DBZ) or Master Xehanort (KH)

Either one works here, I just heard the whole 'infinite timelines' thing that Zamasu had going on and thought 'hey, that sounds kinda similar to the Endless Now that Moebius goes banging on about'. But again, I'm DBZ blind, so feel free to verify that.

Master Xehanort, on the other hand, I'm at the very least more familiar with, and I think Moebius forms/Consuls vs Organisation XIII has just as much MU (and animation) potential as any other, as well as having timeline shenanigans as a relation. I bring this up because of the whole 'Palpatine's too similar MUs' thing that became a concern for PalNort recently (although nothing was beating the absolute whopper that was 'This Heartless Empire' as a commission). Idk, just food for thought.

- N vs (either) Nanashi (SMTIVa) or Lif (Fire Emblem: Heroes)

Nanashi was an idea that sprung to mind lately, and one that I got in touch with @JoshDoshMosh about, actually. Consider it my alternative to all of the 'Noah's pose looks like Flynn lol' comments that were going around (and depending on if you consider bonds/massacre as canon, Nanashi could go up against N or Noah tbh'. As you can probably infer, the main relation is how N is a version of Noah (and vice versa), in the same way that Nanashi is a reincarnation of Akira, and may or may not have pillaged great cities at one point.

Lif also has the whole 'I'm actually a dark version of you from an alternate timeline' thing going on, but I'm not someone who apes units in Heroes (and I don't plan to), so feel free to check relations on that one.

SOME SLIGHTLY MORE CURSED IDEAS:

- Monica vs Bismuth (Steven Universe)

(my only good exposure to SU is Lily Orchid's review on the matter, so... sue me)

This MU idea kinda came to me rather suddenly, knowing how Bismuth was described as 'a revolutionary looking to liberate homeworld after a falling out with the Diamonds', not unlike Monica being a revolutionary of sorts, the 'elder' of the Lost Numbers, and having an obvious bone to pick with Moebius knowing that the City is a conglomeration of Keves and Agnian folk (much like how Grey is obviously Kevesi, but the twist is that he's a member of the Lost Numbers). I want to verify this, but I also don't want to touch SU with a 10ft barge pole, so... eh?

- Moebius D (& J) vs General Grievous (Star Wars)

This one is kinda going to need amending in due time.

The only major relation I can think of, is how they were both ex-human 'commanders' of sorts of their respective dark side, who like to keep 'collections' of their opponents belongings (Dirk having a collection of corpses and heads, and Grievous having a collection of lightsabers (or was that just a meme?)). I was looking more for fusions (because I did mention D & J), so if anyone has better ideas, let me know.

- Ashera vs Hange Zoe (AoT)

Dual swords? Check
Chronically insane and jokey? Check
Probable trauma, with personalities as a coping mechanism? Check

I can't even pretend there's more to it than that.

A COUPLE OF DBX IDEAS

- Alexandria vs Manuela (FE3H)

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The central relation here is that both are sort of ambiguous in age (Alexandria being 6th term, despite what she does to herself, and Manuela being 'unknown' in age, but obviously somewhere around Hannerman's age because of their business rivalry). Also both of them are 'appreciated' for that role, and for being sort of teacher-figures for their groups.

- Moebius Y vs Carrera (AZG)

@The_Smashor will like this one...
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Penulimate bosses of sorts, that speak in old English or Shakespearean. Both are also 'revived' for that fight, or retreat for the sake of it.

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Welp, I think this post is MORE than long enough. That's all for now folks!
peace
 
Jasonsith said:
Community Death Battle:

Piccolo vs Magus

We have Piccolo vs Martian Manhunter (Post-Crisis), and we have this. Piccolo cannot be quite sure of escaping from an L.

Question: Does Piccolo actually defeat Game Knuckles or Game Shadow?
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Depending if you buy Imaginary scaling n shit and whether u buy Knuckles being exactly around compare to the hedgehog trio but frankly Piccolo does beat them thanks to his latest buffs where before Knuckles would've stomped him
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Very, very low. Ignoring the RoosterTeeth rep of Red vs Blue, I don't think we'd ever get anything else.

MAYBE a Creepypasta MU at best. Sonic.EXE vs RED is kind of a sleeper creepypasta MU that might be doable, considering they're both fan-made characters for spooky game fan stories, and Sonic.EXE is especially relevant in the algorithm rn due to FNF. Otherwise I can't really think of much else.
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Sonic.EXE is just another trash internet thing that only got relevant because of Reddit/4Chan posts and YT playthroughs similar to Sanic and Ugandan Knuckles moreover it negatively warps the core identity of the franchise it derives from while screwing up the search algorithm. Don't forget some people legitimately sell Sonic.EXE toys to kids and have patreon for fan games, I'm sure Sega are just "thrilled" about it.

Tl;dr: creepypasta, meme, fanfic, etc characters belong on Animation Rewind not Death Battle and that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

Also having a corpse of Sonic (that's possessed by a demon) on DB will definitely disprove the anti-Sonic preconception that many Sonic fans have for DB and it'll totally not cause toxicity from and towards the Sonic fandom at all.
 
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