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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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TMaakkonen said:
DB rigging results technically exists because of Guts situation, unless we count that as stupidity by Chad. I guess teeeeechnically there might be bias, but its closer to researcher believing in stats they give hence high tier DC will prolly not lose any time soon and that Hiei situation.

Can you call it bias if researchers just believe in certain stats? no matter how bad and stupid they can get

DBX did get bias tho and technically some of the minor things they do outside of verdicts can be considered bias in how they treat characters.
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In Guts vs Nightmare, I don’t think there were any actual calculations for the stat trinity, so my guess is that Chad probably didn’t realize Nightmare has actual feats because he’s a fighting game character. This is the same guy who admitted to hating Superman, I believe he would have changed the verdict if the proper research had been done.

I was speaking in terms of bias towards verdicts. In terms of bias towards research, I’d argue that goes under wrong research that can be criticized.

Bias towards characters is a bit iffy, and outside of early season shenanigans, cough Mikey, I don’t think it’s that present anymore. At the very least, no negative bias seems to exist.
 
greymerlion2 said:
In Guts vs Nightmare, I don’t think there were any actual calculations for the stat trinity, so my guess is that Chad probably didn’t realize Nightmare has actual feats because he’s a fighting game character. This is the same guy who admitted to hating Superman, I believe he would have changed the verdict if the proper research had been done.

I was speaking in terms of bias towards verdicts. In terms of bias towards research, I’d argue that goes under wrong research that can be criticized.

Bias towards characters is a bit iffy, and outside of early season shenanigans, cough Mikey, I don’t think it’s that present anymore. At the very least, no negative bias seems to exist.
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Both Ben and Chad (and the "research team") are responsible for the flaws and errors.

You know what? If we take what the G1 bloggers as real fact when analysing Hercules vs Sun Wukong, we may in fact be worrying that Death Battle has decided to "twitch feats and lore" to pretend that matches are not rigged. (A more sophisticated way to "manipulate results" is to pit a character with no chance winning against like the Excalibur vs Raiden case)

There is no DC rigging because the DC omniverse is just that big - remember, DC Comics and Vertigo are the verses which help realise the concept of Tier 0. True deity tier DC characters sure could reach that high.

Should we be glad that SMT characters can reach that high too? (Raidou Kuzunoha XIV, Stephen the closest man to the Great Axiom, we count on you.)

If we only count those high tier characters, we still have Yuuki Terumi defeating Thaal Sinestro.

But yeah - Not many verses have such privilege.
 
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greymerlion2 said:
In Guts vs Nightmare, I don’t think there were any actual calculations for the stat trinity, so my guess is that Chad probably didn’t realize Nightmare has actual feats because he’s a fighting game character. This is the same guy who admitted to hating Superman, I believe he would have changed the verdict if the proper research had been done.

I was speaking in terms of bias towards verdicts. In terms of bias towards research, I’d argue that goes under wrong research that can be criticized.

Bias towards characters is a bit iffy, and outside of early season shenanigans, cough Mikey, I don’t think it’s that present anymore. At the very least, no negative bias seems to exist.
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Yeah, most bias problems probably are in early DBs, you could argue they were biased for Goku in GvS2 lol

If you want bias from modern episodes, maybe the fact they denied Sonic's self statement but allowed All-Might's self statement, but that could be just updated research shenanigans.

The only notable "bias" I kinda agree is in Wally vs Sonic, now, I actually think saying Archie Sonic is not consistent is totally fair, but saying that while implying that a Flash is consistent? Yeah, no.
 
TMaakkonen said:
If you want bias from modern episodes, maybe the fact they denied Sonic's self statement but allowed All-Might's self statement, but that could be just updated research shenanigans.
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‘Updated research shenanigans’ likely explains 99% of the weirdness behind certain verdicts. Remember, they’ve changed their minds on two separate verdicts, and also admitted to Yang vs Tifa being straight up wrong.
Jasonsith said:
You know what? If we take what the G1 bloggers as real fact when analysing Hercules vs Sun Wukong, we may in fact be worrying that Death Battle has decided to "twitch feats and lore" to pretend that matches are not rigged. (A more sophisticated way to "manipulate results" is to pit a character with no chance winning against like the Excalibur vs Raiden case)
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Problem is G1 bloggers aren’t necessarily right about everything too. Versus debating is subjective after all, people are going to have different calculation methods, interpretations, and ideas of ‘canon’ in a debate.

Is Excalibur vs Raiden rigged if we go by your idea? Perhaps, but then you could also argue that every stomp match like Omnilander, ReverseBlack, and Magnetetsuo is also rigged. And to me, that’s a bit too many assumptions to make.
 
Honestly, I do wonder if Wukong's infinite cosmos lift truly valid, as the big Wukong blogger expressed some disagreements on that.

Even if Wukong would still win by hax, its a bit misleading if that lift feat is bunk.
 
Jasonsith said:
If we take what the G1 bloggers as real fact when analysing Hercules vs Sun Wukong, we may in fact be worrying that Death Battle has decided to "twitch feats and lore" to pretend that matches are not rigged.
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It is a controversial topic since Sun Wukong fans would have tons of evidences.
TMaakkonen said:
Honestly, I do wonder if Wukong's infinite cosmos lift truly valid, as the big Wukong blogger expressed some disagreements on that.

Even if Wukong would still win by hax, its a bit misleading if that lift feat is bunk.
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Son Goku: Dragon Ball multiplier
Sun Wukong: Infinite cosmos
Jasonsith said:
There is no DC rigging because the DC omniverse is just that big - remember, DC Comics and Vertigo are the verses which help realise the concept of Tier 0. True deity tier DC characters sure could reach that high.
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It seems that it is time to bring Xianxia characters to take down DC R-ed omniverse.
Jasonsith said:
Should we be glad that SMT characters can reach that high too? (Raidou Kuzunoha XIV, Stephen the closest man to the Great Axiom, we count on you.)

If we only count those high tier characters, we still have Yuuki Terumi defeating Thaal Sinestro.
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DC characters should lose to non-Marvel characters, seriously.
 
Most of DB notion of Bias is due to how the conduct themselves in the conclusion of why X wins back in The day and even few times now

When you look at something like per say Tifa vs Yang it came across as jerking off Yang and ignoring shit for Tifa that has her merking even by there logic
 
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Peter_Quicksilver_Maximoff said:
I'm still mad about that episode 😒
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Everybody is despite DB admitting they ****** up on that one lol 🥴
Rwby Bias as much The crew be annoyed at do hold some gripes in a way
  1. Yang vs Tifa being the primary example
  2. Ruby vs Ragna DBX being an outright Advertisement
  3. Weiss lame ass death in her episode and the lame excuse for it when 10 year old kid got reduced to a smear by a boot few weeks ago
 
Bringing this Back

Pros & Cons of a Mu
Starting with this one
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Pros:
  1. slightly less of a stomp thanks to Piccolo new forms primarily Fanta Mode
  2. Animation Potential is very strong given both characters powers and move sets
  3. Music Potential is good
  4. Banter could be decent

Cons:
  1. Still a ******* Stomp in Favor of MMH
  2. Just repeating GVS but green addition
  3. just another DC stomping DB Episode
 
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Tipper17 said:
Bringing this Back

Pros & Cons of a Mu
Starting with this one
3h71r196jto81.png

Pros:
  1. slightly less of a stomp thanks to Piccolo new forms primarily Fanta Mode
  2. Animation Potential is very strong given both characters powers and move sets
  3. Music Potential is good

Cons:
  1. Still a ******* Stomp in Favor of MMH
  2. Just repeating GVS but green addition
  3. just another DC stomping DB Episode
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I love how sometimes one cons can turn into disadvantages in three aspects

Emirp sumitpo said:
What are even the connections lmao
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Short version:
Overpowered time manipulation characters

  • Overpowered time manipulation users
  • Both involve confronting with their respective protagonists at earlier times (to the point of obsession) (Hunter became the new Zoom to cause the speedsters grief and suffering in his misguided attempts to better the world as he was convinced that Wally West's lack of personal tragedy in his life was preventing him from becoming an optimal hero. Homura wanted to stop Madoka from becoming a magical girl because this was considered by her to be a trap by Kyubey. Homura observed Madoka to the point of stalking her.)
  • Both have been engaged in time manipulation events (Hunter Zolomon survived a Flashpoint event and orchestrated the Flash Wars, and Homura faced at least 5 time lines as shown in Episode10)
  • Both sort of eventually took up the mantle of the main protagonists (Hunter dubbed himself as The True Flash. Homura used a magical bow like Madoka did before she became Ultimate Madoka.)
  • Both eventually obtained a power so great it can rival the main protagonists (Hunter obtained Forever Force and Homura became Devil Homura)
  • Both eventually took a powerful character with them and sealed them in a separate dimension (Hunter "sacrificed himself" to banish the Black Flash to the Forever Force. Homura "dragged" Madoka into a new world created by her.)

Contrasts
  • While Hunter Zolomon eventually turned from a supervillain into a superhero, Homura Akemi turned from an ally of Madoka to the archnemesis against her.
  • Hunter Zolomon eventually achieved what he tried to inspire the superheroes and lived up to the idea of heroism while shutting himself into the Forever Force and fixed the Force Barrier. Meanwhile, while Homura Akemi would eventually become Madoka's enemy if the latter should regain her memories and godly powers and oppose what Homura had done at Rebellion; and in the end (of the Rebellion movie) Homura was alone without Madoka or any human or puella magi friend nearby, leaned over a cliff and fell off, apparently committing a suicide.

In terms of battle lineup, escalation and resolution,
  • both started off as base form first (Zoom vs Magical girl form Homura)
  • then it would be Zoom with one or more of the other Forces vs Homulilly
  • and eventually they fought in their ultimate form (True Flash mastering all four Forces plus the Forever Force vs Demoness Homura)
  • (if Akemi wins) Demoness Homura would grow to giantess form, grab Zolomon in one hand, rubs him with her thumb and crushes him (Replicating one scene at Rebellion).
  • (if Zolomon wins) Demoness Homura and True Flash clashed and a huge explosion blinded everything. As the light goes out, Akemi would be alone near a cliff, watching over the aftermath, just to be stabbed from behind Captain Cold style. Then the corpse of Homura fell off the cliff while disintegrating, and Hunter laid down on his back, exhausted from the bout, moaned about "what a true superhero should do", then looked near him to find one of the Kyubey walk up to him and lick the True Flash, causing him to smile once more. (Replicating one scene at Rebellion while also resurfacing the scene where Hunter Zolomon kills Captain Cold)

Selling points:
  • Be expected to get a high quality fight and a high quality show in overall (from the experience of the prior Flash fights) and guarantee view clicks
    • Good music
    • Good banter
    • Good choreography
    • Etc
  • Really discussing the ceiling of what Speed Force can do
  • Also really discussing the ceiling of what God tier Puella Magi characters can do
  • Opportunity to discuss the other Forces (Gorilla Grodd is a Still Force user)
  • Possibly a death of a DC herald - even better, a Flash character
  • Possibly a chance to avenge for Quicksilver, as well as Archie Sonic, Goku Black and other non-Marvel characters
  • (alternatively) Avenging for whoever dying at the hands of Madoka Kaname
  • Can be done in sprites or in 3D model (sprite fight with good hand drawn elements will more than enough make good pictures and scenes)
 
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My bad Match Up take is Hunter Zolomon vs Garou. Horrendous I know
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I would elaborate but I feel just by saying what I said, this thread will probably fold me like an omelette so I won't.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
My bad Match Up take is Hunter Zolomon vs Garou. Horrendous I know
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I would elaborate but I feel just by saying what I said, this thread will probably fold me like an omelette so I won't.
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Would a spoiler tab or even a PM suffice?



How you view on Korosensei vs Monokuma? The next G1 break MU.
And also the Satoru Gojo vs Makima and... Ash Ketchum (Pokemon) VS Yugi Muto (Yu-Gi-Oh!). (Is Ash vs Yugi actually more debatable than Ash vs Lucy? And does Yugi Muto have other TCG anime protagonists like Aichi Sendou? Or other "false card" fighters like Reimu Hakurei or Sakura Kinomoto?)
 
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Alright, Gunvolt 3 came out and it changes his matchup spread a bit, namely what he wins and loses.

Without spoiling anything, he quite possibly wins, like, all of his matchups now, even the likes of Geo Stellar (Although it is via something you could argue is optional ala Schrodinger)
 
The_Smashor said:
Alright, Gunvolt 3 came out and it changes his matchup spread a bit, namely what he wins and loses.

Without spoiling anything, he quite possibly wins, like, all of his matchups now, even the likes of Geo Stellar (Although it is via something you could argue is optional ala Schrodinger)
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Did he win Misaka before and if not, does he now?
 
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